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Lozzys Omega- The Sentinal Sound System Build
13. Apr 2010 at 21:19
 
hi guys well after owning my omega for about 8 months now im finally starting to build my system up in my CD estate

now i know a lot of you will be saying why? well let explain a bit about me im a car audio enthusiast i love music and very passionate about it i do a little bit of mixing here and there.

there are three types of car sound system SQ SQL and SPL

SQ is were you are trying to replicate how the music was produced in the studio and to achieve a flat frequency responce

SQL this is my sort of system it has a little bit of sound quality but thats not the main focus its the L part which stands for Loud :d this sort of system is the ones that have the gut wrenching bass  Cheesy

SPL this systems are often modified beyond road use were talking bullet proof glass miles of cables concrete steel are all part of construction the main focus on this sort of system is to score the highest decibel reading possible this is done at the cars peak frequency and generally wouldn't play music 

there's a little basics for you

so what do i have in store for this poor omega

well the aim of this car is be able to play most music at an obscene level across a wide range of frequency's and still be drivable.

heres the kit list

Source And signal Processors
Alpine 9887r Full speed ipod Head unit
Audio Control Epic Center Bass Restorer
Auto Leads Bass controler
3 Vibe Delta Box Line Drivers

Speaker Components
4 JBL 4Inch Coaxial - These are going in the A pillars
8 Eminence Alpha Tweeters
20 8Inch Eminence Alpha MidBass Drivers
32 JBL GT4 !0inch Subwoofers

Amplification Front Speakers
8 JBL 75.2 2 channel amplifiers 150wrms x2
2 JBL 75.4 4 channel Amplifiers 150wrms x4

Amplification Bass

4 Sundown Audio 1500AZ Mono Amplifiers around 2000wrms at 13V!

Power Supply
2 Irragi 260a alternators
Brax volt Meter
12v Stepdown for running car electrics and Front amps
adjustable regulator for charging at 16v
7 2V 580ah battery Cell to show 14volt for bass system

heres a few sample pics of the kit  Cheesy
Front amps
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and the subs Cheesy

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the back of the car has been emptied this week end i shal be removing all the interior and the trims to start building





 
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Reply #1 - 13. Apr 2010 at 21:20
 
Sorry to swear....but bloody hell..........!!!

Should be fab

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Reply #2 - 13. Apr 2010 at 21:36
 
thanks penfold this the biggest build i am going to be doing so far  Cheesy

this weekend mission is to get the roof built on the wall enclosure

all the subs are going in to a twin diamond enclosure behind the front seats
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Reply #3 - 13. Apr 2010 at 21:55
 
Not wanting to swear either - Sholy Hucking Fit!!!!!!!
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Reply #4 - 13. Apr 2010 at 22:20
 
it makes a change to the normal stuff you see in the back of an omega Cheesy
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Reply #5 - 13. Apr 2010 at 22:22
 
After a day of listening to that lot mate, we will all have to answer your posts in
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Reply #6 - 13. Apr 2010 at 22:31
 
i can hear you now i think  Grin

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Reply #7 - 13. Apr 2010 at 22:32
 
Good thing you're putting that lot in an Omega mate, it won't fit in anything smaller!

If your car's anything like mine it'll fall apart if you turn it up past 5... Grin
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Reply #8 - 13. Apr 2010 at 22:37
 
it was about the biggest estate you can get for my budget the only other contender was a e34 touring the omega has about 20 cuft more room Cheesy
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Reply #9 - 13. Apr 2010 at 22:41
 
Best of luck with the build mate, I think we'll all know when it's finished  Grin Grin
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Reply #10 - 13. Apr 2010 at 22:45
 
thanks Cheesy i will keep this thread as it unfolds up to date

if any one would like the interior its the light grey cloth i will have roof liner and rear benchs and all other trims behind the B piller up for grabs
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Reply #11 - 14. Apr 2010 at 12:37
 
jesus il hear you from my house.   ( look at my address) Grin
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Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

what.the.f*&%!
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How the hell are you going to fit them all in  Shocked
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Reply #14 - 14. Apr 2010 at 21:33
 
Imagine this be hind the front seats


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Reply #15 - 15. Apr 2010 at 00:09
 
now thats what im talking about!!! spot on mate, if i had the pennies i would love to do something like this... instead i just hav 2 12" subs with a 3kW 4chnl amps (other 2 chnls ready for when i do a minor install)

will have to come see this as im also a big fan of my music and car audio! Thumbs Up! Thumbs Up! Thumbs Up! Thumbs Up!
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Reply #16 - 15. Apr 2010 at 00:26
 
what would you use as a power supply....... the national grid. The wife and kids go mad when i turn up ac/dc on my poxy stereo they'd have something to say about the volume yours can achieve
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Reply #17 - 15. Apr 2010 at 07:55
 
The batterys are as good as the national grid there from a wind farm Cheesy
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Reply #18 - 15. Apr 2010 at 08:18
 
Let me know when you need a new windscreen, or ear drums,  also i have a full compliment of glass for an estate in stock!!!!!!!!


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Reply #19 - 15. Apr 2010 at 11:11
 
jazz played through that lot would be simply
nice...GREAT....SMASHING !!!!!
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Reply #20 - 15. Apr 2010 at 13:30
 
Ahh excellent how many screens you have lol  the front on is my main concern withe 2tunnels playing it gonna be like a massive piston of air pushing it
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Reply #21 - 18. Apr 2010 at 18:14
 
so here is todays progress tinted the windows with paint today to hide all the bare wood and skeleton of the build

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all so removed most of the trim today just the tops of the seat bench didnt have any torx sockets doh!

heres when we started
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surplus trim taking up valuable inches lol
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almost completely stripped out

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that is all for now the sun is heading down  was hoping to start the roof panels today but that will happen next week
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Reply #22 - 21. Apr 2010 at 15:45
 
Hi Lozzys, nice i like that can i be the first one to sit in the car to test the sound Thumbs Up! Thumbs Up! Thumbs Up! Thumbs Up!
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Reply #23 - 21. Apr 2010 at 15:55
 
Looks like a possible case of bleeding ears there, Kack!!

SERIOUS SPLs...........
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Reply #24 - 21. Apr 2010 at 21:30
 
cheers guys should be fairly loud i hope and on the other side of wild Cheesy

it should be all over the place next year for the shows Cheesy
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Reply #25 - 21. Apr 2010 at 23:28
 
black beauty wrote on 21. Apr 2010 at 15:45:
Hi Lozzys, nice i like that can i be the first one to sit in the car to test the sound Thumbs Up! Thumbs Up! Thumbs Up! Thumbs Up!
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No need for that ...... you'll probably hear it from your house!! Grin
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Reply #26 - 22. Apr 2010 at 19:39
 
Sixstring wrote on 21. Apr 2010 at 15:55:
Looks like a possible case of bleeding ears there, Kack!!

SERIOUS SPLs...........

Hi it takes a lot to impress as i have sat in my friend's fiesta van with rockford fosgate running three 15's and then mtx gear, and last time i got to experience the jack hammer in the mk3 golf, took the wipers off and horn button out of the steering wheel and lights from the roof, and my hair everywhere, it was very loud so i am looking forward to hearing this in its full glory and ground pounding bass, thanks kack
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Reply #27 - 22. Apr 2010 at 19:42
 
jonny2112 wrote on 21. Apr 2010 at 23:28:
black beauty wrote on 21. Apr 2010 at 15:45:
Hi Lozzys, nice i like that can i be the first one to sit in the car to test the sound Thumbs Up! Thumbs Up! Thumbs Up! Thumbs Up!
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No need for that ...... you'll probably hear it from your house!! Grin


well i will keeping listening for it but i am a bit deaf from running my previous 8 twelve inch sub's and now running 2 jbl gti 15 inch subs, and soon three 12 inch sub's in the boot to help it along aqs i dont hear it very well, cheers kack
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Reply #28 - 22. Apr 2010 at 20:31
 
cheers BB i know these 2 ian with the mark 3 golf and a guy called ice age with the van of rocky stuff a guy called dan brought my amps off me for a red caddy van he had

with this i hope to be wiring up all the kit by November December time
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Reply #29 - 03. May 2010 at 22:51
 
your mental Cheesy Smiley
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lozzy wrote on 13. Apr 2010 at 21:19:
SQL this is my sort of system it has a little bit of sound quality but thats not the main focus its the L part which stands for Loud :d this sort of system is the ones that have the gut wrenching bass  Cheesy

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Yup, you did read that right - they stopped the test at that point after the sunroof was blown out of the car (300 Merc).
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Reply #31 - 05. May 2010 at 19:46
 
oh yes i saw this us bass heads went crazy lol propshaft power speaker lol pretty extreme
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Reply #32 - 08. May 2010 at 18:39
 
well heres a update from today had ben my friend from autoglass come over and he took the sunroof out and bonded it in to the car so it wont flex and rattle under extreme pressures that it will be put under

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Reply #33 - 19. May 2010 at 20:19
 
Hi all latest update from the weekend we finally start building the enclosure laying the foundations first of is to strengthen the roof we done this with 38x18mm batons bonded to the roof with pu adhesive  then compresses with a 3 tonne jack it took couple of hours to cure

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Reply #34 - 19. May 2010 at 21:04
 
Another great thread, very interesting indeed Cool Cool Thumbs Up!
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Reply #35 - 20. May 2010 at 10:33
 
B B B B B B B B BASS! how low can you go!
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Reply #36 - 17. Jun 2010 at 12:36
 
So here is the latest up date for my build we are half way done the roof the way I have done it is a long process !
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I also cut the sunroof runners Down so I can build all the way up to it  alway were eye protection when grinding I've just washed out of my eye a spec of dust

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Reply #37 - 17. Jun 2010 at 17:50
 
how much does all the gear weigh! must sap a fair bit of power!
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Reply #38 - 17. Jun 2010 at 20:25
 
ive estimated about 500 to 700 kilos at the most im glad i didnt get the 2.0 but really wanted a td
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Reply #39 - 26. Jul 2010 at 14:46
 
so heres a little update for you haven't posted in a while been nothing more exciting that putting the batons in the roof and a trip to A=E lol

the roof is hallway done this is the top of the enclosure
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this is expanding foamed and screwed up in place and left to go off
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this is held into place with jacks and a porta ram till set

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it was done in 2 sections once the the rest is done it will be fiberglass in to place

the rear quarters are also packed in with foam to eliminate any flex and rattle

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should have done alot more by the end of this week as i have some time of to crack on Cheesy
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Reply #40 - 26. Jul 2010 at 21:21
 
Be careful with the rear right quarter ..  the cabin vent outlets are there ... block them up and you'll steam up like crazy in the winter !!


Assuming the vents are in the same place in an Estate as they are in a saloon ....


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Entwood wrote on 26. Jul 2010 at 21:21:
Be careful with the rear right quarter ..  the cabin vent outlets are there ... block them up and you'll steam up like crazy in the winter !!


Assuming the vents are in the same place in an Estate as they are in a saloon ....


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Kevin Wood wrote on 26. Jul 2010 at 21:39:
Entwood wrote on 26. Jul 2010 at 21:21:
Be careful with the rear right quarter ..  the cabin vent outlets are there ... block them up and you'll steam up like crazy in the winter !!


Assuming the vents are in the same place in an Estate as they are in a saloon ....


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I was assuming the car might be driven from A to B with the sound system in the O F F position ... as I doubt it could be turned down to "protect your ears" levels !!!

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Reply #43 - 27. Jul 2010 at 09:33
 
Grin Grin

there is a volume knob it will be a quite setting having it on loud all the time gets to much I like some quite time too Cheesy
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OMFG thats is just blanking crazy Cheesy
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Why not just invest in a recording studio depending on the budget!!
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Reply #46 - 29. Jul 2010 at 11:26
 
i have no room in my house for this one of my dream is to have an industrial unit with my own custom rig when i can sit and listen to it
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Reply #47 - 29. Jul 2010 at 11:34
 
Lozzy......
one question.....why do all this to a perfectly good "luxury" car just to enable you to have a stereo that is far too loud to appreciate the finer points of the music you are playing?

No offence, but as a musician in my previous life there is a finite volume you must have to hear all the elements of a piece of music-surely the volume you will eventually get and SPL will obviate the principle of sound enjoyment?
Is it purely "because you can make it that loud" rather than having the best quality sound?

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Reply #48 - 29. Jul 2010 at 13:12
 
i do get this question quite a lot this is mainly for my own enjoyment i have a varied taste in music mostly drum and bass its the bass part that ticks my boxes when listening to music

the omega is the best car up to the job

the car is also usied in the 3 competition formats which are run in the uk

http://www.dbdragracing.com/ and bass race

and proppa droppers

http://www.streetbassers.co.uk/

they record the maximum SPL thats achieved by my cars aim is for a 155DB peak and a average SPL of 150+

heres a few videos its like drag racing but for audio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS3UBHfSBNI&feature=related
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Reply #49 - 29. Jul 2010 at 13:38
 
WOW!!

considering hearing damage occurs just after 130db, 155 db is KILLING!!!


weird sport, but would like to hear this (from a distance??) and appreciate.
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Reply #50 - 29. Jul 2010 at 14:03
 
its a hard one to explain why

damaging your hearing is quite serious we do practice safe sound

a night club will damage your ears quicker than what these cars can do its a different attenuation eg 110db of high frequency's will damage your ears quicker than a 130db of bass
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Reply #51 - 29. Jul 2010 at 14:26
 
Funny you should say that.....
whenI play on stage (rock music) I wear in ear monitors, and they act as earplugs to some degree too.
We REGULARLY exceed 100 db, but the audience sometimes tell us they can't hear the vocals at the back of the venue.
The people in the front row MUST be hurting their hearing, surely??
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Reply #52 - 29. Jul 2010 at 16:25
 
they could well be the sound is properly being absorbed by the crowd what setup you have ?
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Reply #53 - 29. Jul 2010 at 16:36
 
EACH SIDE:

15" with 12" on top (pole inbetween to space) 3x 3" tweeters in top of cab.

IN THE MIDDLE: 2x 18" sub-bass woofers with separate amps

IN THE FRONT: 12" in-fills with 12"" monitors running on separate amps, we use in -ear monitors for vocals only.

All musicians have their own back-line amps, but all go through mixer on line out on rear.

Any good??
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Reply #54 - 31. Jul 2010 at 09:44
 
any updates / pics?
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Reply #55 - 12. Aug 2010 at 07:04
 
Hi Simon no more updates at moment  will have some more this weekend


Sixstring wrote on 29. Jul 2010 at 16:36:
EACH SIDE:

15" with 12" on top (pole inbetween to space) 3x 3" tweeters in top of cab.

IN THE MIDDLE: 2x 18" sub-bass woofers with separate amps

IN THE FRONT: 12" in-fills with 12"" monitors running on separate amps, we use in -ear monitors for vocals only.

All musicians have their own back-line amps, but all go through mixer on line out on rear.

Any good??

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Reply #56 - 12. Aug 2010 at 09:14
 
????
Confused.
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Reply #57 - 12. Aug 2010 at 10:22
 
Iphone fail

was thinking about your set up maybe worth investing in some fill depending on venue size to project for people at the back?
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Reply #58 - 12. Aug 2010 at 10:31
 
Mmm. suggestions?

Got a good setup size wise for an audience of 200-300, don't do much more than that unless it's a large wedding or nightclub party sort of gig.

Have done a 700+, but hired in a PA from a local supplier to save on the transport costs as on a cruise ship, brilliant sound but over £10k if I had to buy it..........

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Reply #59 - 21. Aug 2010 at 23:43
 
lozzy wrote on 29. Jul 2010 at 13:12:
i do get this question quite a lot this is mainly for my own enjoyment i have a varied taste in music mostly drum and bass its the bass part that ticks my boxes when listening to music




No Sh*t !  Grin

Did the Live action arena at Max power a few years back... And managed to remove myself from the topless action to have a look at the compitition sound installs....
It's almost nothing to do with quality... Just sheer level - These guys were pushing 150+db ! - Our best G2 touring rig would only get to 146db and that's considered "Awsome" in PA circles...
AND - +3db = double the energy, +10db = double the volume percieved by the ear. so you need a 3000w amp to be twice as loud as an 800w one...  Shocked

There was a chevy van running 45KW !!!!!! and 4 21" PD subs. Cracked windscreens seemed to be an issue !
Shocked Shocked Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Shocked Shocked

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Reply #60 - 22. Aug 2010 at 18:04
 
Could this be classed as a Fetish?

Something I dont 'get',this need to fill a car with gazillions of speakers--does your other half nag you or something ? Grin

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Reply #61 - 27. Aug 2010 at 08:24
 
gotta see a recording of it when it is done lol
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