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« Reply #45 on: 14 September 2017, 13:54:43 »

......and I agree with grammar schools. People tell me they are elitist but I think they are the exact opposite.

Working class kids working hard to pass their 11 plus than going on to university free of charge. :y

Just because not everyone will achieve from a working class background doesn't mean we should stop those that can.

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« Reply #46 on: 14 September 2017, 13:55:17 »

Socialism is about no-one having any opportunities. I also disagree with student fees though. Admission to Uni should depend on your intellect. Nothing else.
Now of course it depends more on your ethnicity, sexual orientatation and your families lack of money - all in the name of positive discrimination.
This enables stupid lazy people to gain an honours in "Take That, the early years".  :)
The system should be very simple. Prospective undegraduates take n exam in their chosen (proper) subject, and the top 10% (approximately) are admitted. Seemples.
Anyway, whats this all got to do with Jaaaags ?  ;D
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« Reply #47 on: 14 September 2017, 13:58:42 »

......and I agree with grammar schools. People tell me they are elitist but I think they are the exact opposite.

Working class kids working hard to pass their 11 plus than going on to university free of charge. :y

Just because not everyone will achieve from a working class background doesn't mean we should stop those that can.

Couldn't agree more. When I was a brainless concrete shoveller, without a single qualification, both my kids passed the 11 plus and went to grammar schools. This ensured neither of them will shovel concrete and need a new skeleton by the time they are 50.
Obviously they inherited their brains from their Mother.  :)
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« Reply #48 on: 14 September 2017, 13:58:59 »

Socialism is about no-one having any opportunities. I also disagree with student fees though. Admission to Uni should depend on your intellect. Nothing else.
Now of course it depends more on your ethnicity, sexual orientatation and your families lack of money - all in the name of positive discrimination.
This enables stupid lazy people to gain an honours in "Take That, the early years".  :)
The system should be very simple. Prospective undegraduates take n exam in their chosen (proper) subject, and the top 10% (approximately) are admitted. Seemples.
Anyway, whats this all got to do with Jaaaags ?  ;D

That would be the breed of socialist who gets a perverse satisfaction when all are equally piss poor. :-\
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« Reply #49 on: 14 September 2017, 16:20:30 »

......and I agree with grammar schools. People tell me they are elitist but I think they are the exact opposite.

Working class kids working hard to pass their 11 plus than going on to university free of charge. :y

Just because not everyone will achieve from a working class background doesn't mean we should stop those that can.

Couldn't agree more. When I was brainless concrete shoveller, without a single qualification, both my kids passed the 11 plus and went to grammar schools. This ensured neither of them will shovel concrete and need a new skeleton by the time they are 50.
Obviously they inherited their brains from their Mother.  :)
Was?
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« Reply #50 on: 14 September 2017, 16:48:31 »

Was?

Yup, he's now unemployed :P.

I am a big advocate of grammar schools, solely responsible from taking my dad from a two-up two-down in Sutton-in-Ashfield to a very successful career in aerospace engineering. The problem at the moment is that they are too few and far between. Consequently middle class folks see them as a cut-price private school education, flood the catchment areas, pay for tuition and you basically have the very opposite of social mobility. If they were more common, this would not be the case.

Tuition fees on the other hand, I am a fan of keeping. If you look at the Scotland model, it isn't improving standards, nor is it widening participation. What they are finding is that numbers of places in Higher Education are being squeezed and more overseas students are being taken because the universities have a funding gap that they need to fill.

For me, the problem with Tuition Fees is that they are badged all wrong, they don't share many of the features of debt, but labelling them as such is off-putting to many from poorer backgrounds. If you badged them as what they are, a tax which only kicks in once you start earning decent money, then I think people would be less put off.

Incidentally, I'll be finished paying mine off in less than 12 months.  ;)
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« Reply #51 on: 14 September 2017, 17:35:38 »

Was?

Yup, he's now unemployed :P.

I am a big advocate of grammar schools, solely responsible from taking my dad from a two-up two-down in Sutton-in-Ashfield to a very successful career in aerospace engineering. The problem at the moment is that they are too few and far between. Consequently middle class folks see them as a cut-price private school education, flood the catchment areas, pay for tuition and you basically have the very opposite of social mobility. If they were more common, this would not be the case.

Tuition fees on the other hand, I am a fan of keeping. If you look at the Scotland model, it isn't improving standards, nor is it widening participation. What they are finding is that numbers of places in Higher Education are being squeezed and more overseas students are being taken because the universities have a funding gap that they need to fill.

For me, the problem with Tuition Fees is that they are badged all wrong, they don't share many of the features of debt, but labelling them as such is off-putting to many from poorer backgrounds. If you badged them as what they are, a tax which only kicks in once you start earning decent money, then I think people would be less put off.

Incidentally, I'll be finished paying mine off in less than 12 months;)

Fookin ell'.......how many years is that? :o :o :o
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« Reply #52 on: 14 September 2017, 17:37:19 »

I was 'too fick' to go to university. Went to grammar school though.

When I left school only about 4% went on to university. These days everyone and the cat's mother has been to university.
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« Reply #53 on: 14 September 2017, 18:05:06 »


I am a big advocate of grammar schools, solely responsible from taking my dad from a two-up two-down in Sutton-in-Ashfield to a very successful career in aerospace engineering. The problem at the moment is that they are too few and far between. Consequently middle class folks see them as a cut-price private school education, flood the catchment areas, pay for tuition and you basically have the very opposite of social mobility. If they were more common, this would not be the case.





No, you have misunderstood the role of the grammar school within the education system. Grammar schools were intended to provide a supply of appropriately educated people for white-collar jobs - with the top percentage sent to university or college - in the same way that technical schools were setup to create a pool of school-leavers ready to start a technical apprenticeship. And then you had 'general' secondary schools for those children who didn't pass the selection tests at eleven. Comprehensive schools were supposed to do all of that within one school, but that ones that actually achieved it proved to be very rare.


The current enthusiasm for more grammar schools without the other two types being properly resourced, will result in precisely the scenario you mentioned. Especially if done in areas that don't currently have such schools, as their funding is bound to be taken from the general education budget.


The success of this system is utterly dependent on an effective, reliable selection of who goes where. And that is never mentioned because of the horror everyone has of deliberate social engineering. Especially when you're publicly applying it to eleven year-old children.


I should mention that both my parents attended grammar schools from working-class backgrounds, and so did I and my sister.
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« Reply #54 on: 14 September 2017, 19:18:53 »

......and I agree with grammar schools. People tell me they are elitist but I think they are the exact opposite.

Working class kids working hard to pass their 11 plus than going on to university free of charge. :y

Just because not everyone will achieve from a working class background doesn't mean we should stop those that can.

Couldn't agree more. When I was brainless concrete shoveller, without a single qualification, both my kids passed the 11 plus and went to grammar schools. This ensured neither of them will shovel concrete and need a new skeleton by the time they are 50.
Obviously they inherited their brains from their Mother.  :)
Was?

I'm still thick as pigshit, but no longer shovel concrete, due to the aforementioned need of a new skeleton.  :)
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« Reply #55 on: 14 September 2017, 22:12:33 »

you have misunderstood the role of the grammar school within the education system. Grammar schools were intended to provide a supply of appropriately educated people for white-collar jobs - with the top percentage sent to university or college - in the same way that technical schools were setup to create a pool of school-leavers ready to start a technical apprenticeship. And then you had 'general' secondary schools for those children who didn't pass the selection tests at eleven.

No, I haven't, I understand, and agree with your post. However,  currently there are so few that they no longer fulfill their role. They should cater for the top say 20% of 11+ kids, of which the top 10-20% should be at university. We need the old technical colleges back so that people can actually learn a trade, rather than it being looked down upon and only attracting people who see it as a last resort when leaving school with no qualifications. Which is where we (largely) are at the moment.

Fookin ell'.......how many years is that? :o :o :o

I graduated in 2009. But I did two undergrad degrees, I was a slow learner ;). Also, I did my first 3 years of work for an accountancy firm that paid for my training, but the salary was such that I didn't pay much back (more or less just the interest).
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« Reply #56 on: 17 September 2017, 22:21:33 »

Very nice motor m'lud which uses proper fuel as well. :y :y :y
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« Reply #57 on: 18 September 2017, 11:51:15 »

The success of this system is utterly dependent on an effective, reliable selection of who goes where. And that is never mentioned because of the horror everyone has of deliberate social engineering. Especially when you're publicly applying it to eleven year-old children.

Whoa! You'll be saying that the little darlings should be allowed to lose races at sports day next! :o

You're absolutely right, though. The whole system needs to be right. We need to banish B.Liar's ridiculous nonsense about sending 50% of the population to university to study hairdressing and rebuild a system that suits both the differing aptitudes of pupils and the requirements of industry for new recruits.
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« Reply #58 on: 18 September 2017, 11:52:41 »

Very nice motor m'lud which uses proper fuel as well. :y :y :y

Indeed, Mr Rods. Derv is dead in the water and diesel sales are falling fast.

I sure Mr Tunnie will agree.
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« Reply #59 on: 18 September 2017, 11:57:54 »

The success of this system is utterly dependent on an effective, reliable selection of who goes where. And that is never mentioned because of the horror everyone has of deliberate social engineering. Especially when you're publicly applying it to eleven year-old children.

Whoa! You'll be saying that the little darlings should be allowed to lose races at sports day next! :o

You're absolutely right, though. The whole system needs to be right. We need to banish B.Liar's ridiculous nonsense about sending 50% of the population to university to study hairdressing and rebuild a system that suits both the differing aptitudes of pupils and the requirements of industry for new recruits.

Yep..a large number of people going to university sounds good in principle.

The reality is that unless you've been to Oxford or Cambridge your chance of a well paid career will be heavily diluted by the sheer numbers.
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