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[Sir Tigger KC]

..... there's not a single living person on the island of Barbuda"    

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/09/14/barbuda-hurricane-irama-devastation/665950001/

Isn't it hard to imagine that in this day and age that a whole island could be rendered uninhabitable by the forces of nature?    I'm sure that in the end the resilient human spirit will prevail and the people will return to their island, but it will take time and a lot of money! 

[Varche]

You can rebuild wooden sheds quite easily. Mature trees and vegetation takes time.

When you look at the devastation you have to wonder where you start.

[Doctor Gollum]

You can rebuild wooden sheds quite easily. Mature trees and vegetation takes time.

When you look at the devastation you have to wonder where you start.

The infrastructure is largely intact, cleaning up and rebuilding will take a while, but it's been done before

[Entwood]

And another one coming straight at them ....

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

Maria looks potentially very dangerous ..

[Lizzie Zoom]

The long term problem is that sea levels are rising, so any low lying land will be covered by the sea in X years time (I won't try and predict when!!)

Nature is only doing what is does, spreading the water from melting ice caps. Our Dogger Plain disappeared at the end of the last Ice Age and we were separated from the European mainland. So the low lying islands, and land, will be reclaimed by the sea.  Hurricanes like the one that caused so much damage in Barbuda with its winds is just the start. The ever increasing temperature of the seas and the melting ice caps will combine more and more to cost property, land and lives.

For us in the South we must dust down our boats!

[BazaJT]

No matter how big/powerful/clever the human race believes itself to be in a stand up knock down fight nature will win.

[Doctor Gollum]

The long term problem is that sea levels are rising, so any low lying land will be covered by the sea in X years time (I won't try and predict when!!)

Nature is only doing what is does, spreading the water from melting ice caps. Our Dogger Plain disappeared at the end of the last Ice Age and we were separated from the European mainland. So the low lying islands, and land, will be reclaimed by the sea.  Hurricanes like the one that caused so much damage in Barbuda with its winds is just the start. The ever increasing temperature of the seas and the melting ice caps will combine more and more to cost property, land and lives.

For us in the South we must dust down our boats!

Sea levels have sod all to do with the simbiotic relationship between ocean currents and weather systems...

The Caribbean islands aren't particularly low lying. Also don't forget, once they melt*, the polar icecaps will actually take up less space as water expands when it freezes... the salad munching Guardianistas won't tell you this because it counters what they want you to believe.

* Unlikely any time soon as the earth is cooling year on year.

[STEMO]

The long term problem is that sea levels are rising, so any low lying land will be covered by the sea in X years time (I won't try and predict when!!)

Nature is only doing what is does, spreading the water from melting ice caps. Our Dogger Plain disappeared at the end of the last Ice Age and we were separated from the European mainland. So the low lying islands, and land, will be reclaimed by the sea.  Hurricanes like the one that caused so much damage in Barbuda with its winds is just the start. The ever increasing temperature of the seas and the melting ice caps will combine more and more to cost property, land and lives.

For us in the South we must dust down our boats!

Sea levels have sod all to do with the simbiotic relationship between ocean currents and weather systems...

The Caribbean islands aren't particularly low lying. Also don't forget, once they melt*, the polar icecaps will actually take up less space as water expands when it freezes... the salad munching Guardianistas won't tell you this because it counters what they want you to believe.

* Unlikely any time soon as the earth is cooling year on year.

What about the bit of ice that sticks out of the water? 

[Doctor Gollum]

Their bulk is underwater

[STEMO]

Their bulk is underwater

But there's still sticky-up bits, quite a few of them. 

[Entwood]

Their bulk is underwater

... when floating .. but 99% of a glacier is actually parked on top of a lump of land ... so when all THAT ice melts the water runs off ... and the water level must rise ... que ??   

[Doctor Gollum]

Their bulk is underwater

But there's still sticky-up bits, quite a few of them. 

You leave your sticky-up bits out of this... perv

[Sir Tigger KC]

Their bulk is underwater

... when floating .. but 99% of a glacier is actually parked on top of a lump of land ... so when all THAT ice melts the water runs off ... and the water level must rise ... que ??   

Yep most of the ice on Antarctica is on land.    Nice try Al!   

[Doctor Gollum]

Their bulk is underwater

... when floating .. but 99% of a glacier is actually parked on top of a lump of land ... so when all THAT ice melts the water runs off ... and the water level must rise ... que ??   

True, but if the glaciers all melt, two things will happen... the resultant water will take up proportionally less space and the land will rise as it won't have all that weight parked on top.

The overall effect will be pretty neutral

[STEMO]

The solution is for all of us to start making ice cubes....lots of them. Then we can store them in high up freezers, hence just moving the ice caps to our gin and tonics. Very Trumpesque, I know, but I think it might work.

[STEMO]

The solution is for all of us to start making ice cubes....lots of them. Then we can store them in high up freezers, hence just moving the ice caps to our gin and tonics. Very Trumpesque, I know, but I think it might work.

And that actually makes more sense than the shite Al is talking. 

[Doctor Gollum]

The solution is for all of us to start making ice cubes....lots of them. Then we can store them in high up freezers, hence just moving the ice caps to our gin and tonics. Very Trumpesque, I know, but I think it might work.

I'll drink to that

[Entwood]

Their bulk is underwater

... when floating .. but 99% of a glacier is actually parked on top of a lump of land ... so when all THAT ice melts the water runs off ... and the water level must rise ... que ??   

True, but if the glaciers all melt, two things will happen... the resultant water will take up proportionally less space and the land will rise as it won't have all that weight parked on top.

The overall effect will be pretty neutral

Since when does land "float" ?? its all connected to the sea floor/tectonic plate and is bloody permanent (until it slides under another tectonic plate....

and at present the ice is taking up "air space" which will become "water"/sea when it melts

[STEMO]

Their bulk is underwater

... when floating .. but 99% of a glacier is actually parked on top of a lump of land ... so when all THAT ice melts the water runs off ... and the water level must rise ... que ??   

True, but if the glaciers all melt, two things will happen... the resultant water will take up proportionally less space and the land will rise as it won't have all that weight parked on top.

The overall effect will be pretty neutral

Since when does land "float" ?? its all connected to the sea floor/tectonic plate and is bloody permanent (until it slides under another tectonic plate....

Leave him, Nige, he's trying to help move the ice caps and he's pissed. 

[LC0112G]

Ice that is floating in sea water, when it melts, has absolutely no effect on sea levels. Archimedes theorem page 1 paragraph 1. Therefore it makes absolutely no difference to sea levels if the North pole melts or not although it is bad news for Polar Bears.

Ice in glaciers and at the South Pole (most of which is over land) when it melts does cause a rise in sea level. Don't know if this is good or bad news for Penguins.

[Sir Tigger KC]

The solution is for all of us to start making ice cubes....lots of them. Then we can store them in high up freezers, hence just moving the ice caps to our gin and tonics. Very Trumpesque, I know, but I think it might work.

I'll drink to that

I think you've had enough!        

[Doctor Gollum]

Their bulk is underwater

... when floating .. but 99% of a glacier is actually parked on top of a lump of land ... so when all THAT ice melts the water runs off ... and the water level must rise ... que ??   

True, but if the glaciers all melt, two things will happen... the resultant water will take up proportionally less space and the land will rise as it won't have all that weight parked on top.

The overall effect will be pretty neutral

Since when does land "float" ?? its all connected to the sea floor/tectonic plate and is bloody permanent (until it slides under another tectonic plate....

Who said anything about land floating 

Common sense tells you that if you remove the downward pressure from a surface that it will relax upwards...

Ok, it might not be as impressive as a memory foam mattress,  but it will still happen... even if it's only ten centimetres that would probably be enough to counter the ise of the sea levels...

[Entwood]

Maria just gone to category 4 ....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-41314881

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov

Not looking good for those poor sods, the debris from Irma will become like bullets in those winds .. ...

[Doctor Gollum]

Not pissed... I actually have an A level in Geography, so mock away

It's actually a 'thing' and is called Post glacial/isostatic rebound

[Doctor Gollum]

Maria just gone to category 4 ....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-41314881

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov

Not looking good for those poor sods, the debris from Irma will become like bullets in those winds .. ...

Not good at all...

The NOAA site is a very informative one. Ta for the link

[Entwood]

Not pissed... I actually have an A level in Geography, so mock away

It's actually a 'thing' and is called Post glacial/isostatic rebound

In which case you would know the tiny little bit of information you are failing to take into account ...

"Because the response of the Earth to changes in ice height is slow, it cannot record rapid fluctuation or surges of ice sheets, thus the ice sheet profiles deduced this way only gives the "average height" over a thousand years or so."

So the ice melts relatively quickly .. 10's of years .. but the land rises slowly .. thousands of years ... thus water levels rise quickly and take a long time to fall ..

[Doctor Gollum]

I simply suggested that it would even out, no mention of time scales

Besides the ice isn't all melting overnight...

[Lizzie Zoom]

Their bulk is underwater

... when floating .. but 99% of a glacier is actually parked on top of a lump of land ... so when all THAT ice melts the water runs off ... and the water level must rise ... que ??   

That's correct Entwood, and that is my point about the ice melting and rising water levels which is a fact.

It is also a fact that so much fresh water entering the sea water is having an effect, along with all the other environment effects which people can ignore at all of our peril, to ensure sea temperatures are rising, which again is a fact and helping tremendously to fuel the hurricanes we are now seeing in a greater number, and at a greater strength.