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Re: Locking wheel nut problem
« Reply #30 on: 07 December 2017, 13:10:02 »

Should I try the scrappie for ordinary bolts, or are Vx prices sensible?

Ron.


New ones are about a quid. No need to go to a dealer. Your decision.
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Re: Locking wheel nut problem
« Reply #31 on: 07 December 2017, 13:47:00 »

As mentioned above, I have found alloy wheels, with their steel centres, rusted hard on the hubs. I tried kicking them, hitting them with hammers, to no avail. Only way I could shift them was to leave the wheel nuts half a turn loose, then go for a 2 mile drive; that never failed. Steel wheels were no trouble. Once off, a good wire brushing of the hubs, and some grease, ensured I could get the wheels off next time.

Large dead blow hammer works every time.
Just don't do that on a customer's car fitted with Irmscher wheels, else you might piss them off a bit when you've mangled their chocolate wheels (or use 4x2).

With crap wheels like the Irmscher ones, such as Sportstars, or even softer, MFL MV6 wheels, terry paget's idea works best...   ...though 2 miles is excessive, I do half the length of my drive, accelerating and braking briskly :y.  Only once have I had to do it more than once.


As Nick W says, when the wheel is off, clean up mating surfaces, and smear a bit of quality coppaslip, such as the Molyslip stuff (not the shite like carplan), and problem permenently solved :)
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Re: Locking wheel nut problem
« Reply #32 on: 07 December 2017, 13:47:31 »

Should I try the scrappie for ordinary bolts, or are Vx prices sensible?

Ron.

Ron, I may have some spares buried somewhere in my shed. Will try and have a look over the weekend and let you know.  :y
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Re: Locking wheel nut problem
« Reply #33 on: 07 December 2017, 13:48:56 »

Should I try the scrappie for ordinary bolts, or are Vx prices sensible?

Ron.
Available anywhere, even use from breakers here.

If not coming off a broekn Omega, just check length is right...   ...yes, I've driven off with bolts that were too long in one of mine  :-[  ;D
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Re: Locking wheel nut problem
« Reply #34 on: 07 December 2017, 14:22:42 »

As mentioned above, I have found alloy wheels, with their steel centres, rusted hard on the hubs. I tried kicking them, hitting them with hammers, to no avail. Only way I could shift them was to leave the wheel nuts half a turn loose, then go for a 2 mile drive; that never failed. Steel wheels were no trouble. Once off, a good wire brushing of the hubs, and some grease, ensured I could get the wheels off next time.

Large dead blow hammer works every time.
Just don't do that on a customer's car fitted with Irmscher wheels, else you might piss them off a bit when you've mangled their chocolate wheels (or use 4x2).

With crap wheels like the Irmscher ones, such as Sportstars, or even softer, MFL MV6 wheels, terry paget's idea works best...   ...though 2 miles is excessive, I do half the length of my drive, accelerating and braking briskly :y.  Only once have I had to do it more than once.


As Nick W says, when the wheel is off, clean up mating surfaces, and smear a bit of quality coppaslip, such as the Molyslip stuff (not the shite like carplan), and problem permenently solved :)

Genuinely never had any irmschers in but point taken  :y
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Re: Locking wheel nut problem
« Reply #35 on: 07 December 2017, 16:29:49 »

My sister has gone to Dorset today to bury a 100 year old chum, The Mokka has 19" wheels, but 5 screw fitting like the Omega. I imagine an Omega wheel would not fit, but I suppose it might, as long as it did not foul the brake caliper. Does anybody know?
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Re: Locking wheel nut problem
« Reply #36 on: 11 December 2017, 22:36:48 »

My sister came round yesterday with her car, and I intended to replace her locking wheel nuts with 4 Omega straight wheel screws - no chance, The Mokka uses nuts, not screws, and in the box containing the LWNRT were no simple nuts, so I could not replace the locking nuts with simple nuts. So next time she gets a puncture, she will again have to phone the AA and let them recover her and car to a tyre shop, and good luck to her.
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Re: Locking wheel nut problem
« Reply #37 on: 12 December 2017, 18:33:25 »

Pcd is different on the newer generation of 5 stud vauxhalls, too, sadly. 5 x 120 rings a bell.  :(
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Re: Locking wheel nut problem
« Reply #38 on: 13 December 2017, 13:59:58 »

Pcd is different on the newer generation of 5 stud vauxhalls, too, sadly. 5 x 120 rings a bell.  :(
Certainly the case with the Insignia... wheel nuts are 21 (iirc)mm too :o
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Re: Locking wheel nut problem
« Reply #39 on: 24 December 2017, 15:29:28 »

My sister has asked me to get her a spare wheel. From what you say old Vx wheels will not fit, Must it be a new wheel from a Vx dealer?
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Re: Locking wheel nut problem
« Reply #40 on: 24 December 2017, 15:54:00 »

My sister has asked me to get her a spare wheel. From what you say old Vx wheels will not fit, Must it be a new wheel from a Vx dealer?


Check that there is actually a space to keep it in before you buy one. That will determine whether you can use an ordinary steel wheel of a similar size(off a Corsa for instance) or need an appropriate space saver. It's also worth checking that you can actually fit one of the proper wheels in the boot.
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Re: Locking wheel nut problem
« Reply #41 on: 25 December 2017, 07:52:01 »

My sister has asked me to get her a spare wheel. From what you say old Vx wheels will not fit, Must it be a new wheel from a Vx dealer?


Check that there is actually a space to keep it in before you buy one. That will determine whether you can use an ordinary steel wheel of a similar size(off a Corsa for instance) or need an appropriate space saver. It's also worth checking that you can actually fit one of the proper wheels in the boot.
Thank you. Very good advice there. I guess that means getting the car to my place, jacking it up, taking a wheel off, and putting it in the space in the boot floor, if space there be.

 I regard this change of policy on spare wheels as a retrogade step, a silly fashion that will soon revert to the age old system of providing a spare wheel and tools to fit it with every new car.
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Re: Locking wheel nut problem
« Reply #42 on: 25 December 2017, 09:41:25 »

Got to agree with you there.Although I'm not a fan of space savers either at least they're better than that stupid can of foam[or whatever it is].Bigger wheel/tyre combinations are I think partly to blame+cost saving to manufacturer+weight saving to claim better mpg to appease the tree huggers.
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Re: Locking wheel nut problem
« Reply #43 on: 25 December 2017, 10:56:10 »

I regard this change of policy on spare wheels as a retrogade step, a silly fashion that will soon revert to the age old system of providing a spare wheel and tools to fit it with every new car.


Don't hold your breath: the sheer size of modern wheels, combined with the need to cram all sorts of crap in the spaces previously used for a spare, the costs and weight involved(both seem trival to us, but aren't to manufacturers) guarantee that finding a spare wheel in a new car will be a rare occurrence.
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Re: Locking wheel nut problem
« Reply #44 on: 25 December 2017, 18:07:31 »

I regard this change of policy on spare wheels as a retrogade step, a silly fashion that will soon revert to the age old system of providing a spare wheel and tools to fit it with every new car.


Don't hold your breath: the sheer size of modern wheels, combined with the need to cram all sorts of crap in the spaces previously used for a spare, the costs and weight involved(both seem trival to us, but aren't to manufacturers) guarantee that finding a spare wheel in a new car will be a rare occurrence.
I fear you could be right. I blame it all on the alloy wheel. Car wheels are best made from 2 steel pressings welded together; cheap, light, strong. Alloy wheels are in every way inferior, but some people think they look nicer, so they get bigger, the tyres skinnier and the ride harsher. Alloy wheels are more likely to stick on the hubs, harder to change, more expensive, and more prone to damage. They are purely fashion items.

All my Senators came on steel wheels. All my Omegas came on alloy wheels, with steel spares.
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