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Re: Parliament is not prorogued
« Reply #45 on: 24 September 2019, 18:55:55 »

As I’ve claimed all along, only Nigel can save us now :y
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Re: Parliament is not prorogued
« Reply #46 on: 24 September 2019, 18:58:18 »

It turns out that Geoffrey Cox told Boris it was legal to prorogue. I would think theres a good chance he will resign tomorrow.

At least Bojo accepted the result. I thought for a moment he was going to say all the supreme court judges were bent.

That would have set the cat amongst the pigeons.... :D
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Re: Parliament is not prorogued
« Reply #47 on: 24 September 2019, 19:10:15 »

As I’ve claimed all along, only Nigel can save us now :y
Bojo, that knobjockey Farage, even St George can do no better than May's attempt.  We are an irrelevance in the scale of things. You can't do a great negotiation when everyone knows the other sides holds all the aces.

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Re: Parliament is not prorogued
« Reply #48 on: 24 September 2019, 19:13:02 »

And nobody is prepared to work for the common good >:(
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Re: Parliament is not prorogued
« Reply #49 on: 24 September 2019, 19:19:54 »

And nobody is prepared to work for the common good >:(
Indeed. And the common good now is to just do anything except delay it.

But the issue is, nobody can define what the common good is, be it no deal, a deal, or rescind.
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Re: Parliament is not prorogued
« Reply #50 on: 24 September 2019, 19:28:09 »

Yes the three year delay with all its nonsense has weakened our hand whichever way you look at it.
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Re: Parliament is not prorogued
« Reply #51 on: 24 September 2019, 19:31:45 »

Yes the three year delay with all its nonsense has weakened our hand whichever way you look at it.
I don't think its changed much from our negotiating capability - other than bojo is now seen as a weak, untrustworthy pillock.

But its certainly buggered our UK businesses.
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Re: Parliament is not prorogued
« Reply #52 on: 24 September 2019, 19:41:33 »

Yes indeed
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Re: Parliament is not prorogued
« Reply #53 on: 24 September 2019, 20:20:20 »

It turns out that Geoffrey Cox told Boris it was legal to prorogue. I would think theres a good chance he will resign tomorrow.

At least Bojo accepted the result. I thought for a moment he was going to say all the supreme court judges were bent.

That would have set the cat amongst the pigeons.... :D

He didn't have a choice really !
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Re: Parliament is not prorogued
« Reply #54 on: 25 September 2019, 11:29:26 »

As I’ve claimed all along, only Nigel God can save us now :y


FTFY.


Which proves we're oppsed, as God is just as imaginary as a deal that's acceptable to more than one group.
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Re: Parliament is not prorogued
« Reply #55 on: 25 September 2019, 12:45:30 »

Ive just been listening to the Attorney General speaking in the commons about this. From what I can make out the Govt. didn't break any law. The Supreme court decided to turn a Convention into a law and apply it retrospectively, therefore deeming the action to be unlawful !
They have the power to do this, but it sounds very much like a coup to me.
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Re: Parliament is not prorogued
« Reply #56 on: 25 September 2019, 13:05:46 »

Ive just been listening to the Attorney General speaking in the commons about this. From what I can make out the Govt. didn't break any law. The Supreme court decided to turn a Convention into a law and apply it retrospectively, therefore deeming the action to be unlawful !
They have the power to do this, but it sounds very much like a coup to me.

Er........ :)
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Re: Parliament is not prorogued
« Reply #57 on: 25 September 2019, 14:06:09 »

Ive just been listening to the Attorney General speaking in the commons about this. From what I can make out the Govt. didn't break any law. The Supreme court decided to turn a Convention into a law and apply it retrospectively, therefore deeming the action to be unlawful !
They have the power to do this, but it sounds very much like a coup to me.

Er........ :)

Maybe our learned M'lud could direct us to the statute that the government has contravened?  ::)

This wasn't a legal judgement, it was a political judgement and the High Court and the first Scottish judge called it correctly in my opinion.  :y

There is even recent precedent of Prime Ministers proroguing Parliament for political purposes.  John Major did it to avoid the cash for questions scandal and Clement Attlee did it to avoid the Lords wrecking legislation reducing their powers.   ::)  ;)
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Re: Parliament is not prorogued
« Reply #58 on: 25 September 2019, 14:34:53 »

John Major actually helped bring the case yesterday, and afterwards declared the result a great victory as no PM will ever be able to do this to Parliament or the Queen ever again. Considering he did the same thing, just to try and save his own premiership, the hypocrisy is appalling.
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Re: Parliament is not prorogued
« Reply #59 on: 25 September 2019, 14:47:04 »

Whatever we as individuals think, this judgement was based on matters that are legal, but political, in tandem. You can go right back to 1611 when King James VI  was challenged, as then the effective Parliament of the land, about Proroguing Parliament, and that involved legally the earlier Case of Proclamations [1610] EWHC KB J22 which is a UK constitutional law case that has formed the backbone of the standing of the justice system and that of the King, now in 2019, the Prime Minister.

Now, 11 justices made the latest judgement, with all the highly trained legal experts, that is QC's, who have commented so far not even beginning to challenge this judgement because they, although not having heard the legal proceedings, see no reason to do so.

It is obviously avery complex legal matter that goes to the heart of our democracy, the unwritten Constitution, the law, and the standing of Parliament, with the monarch involved.

I cannot speak for all of you, but this matter is way above my head and legal knowledge!! :o :o ::) ::)

The judgement is what it is; the action by Boris Johnson as Prime Minister to Prorogue Parliament was unlawful. I, like you, must at this point in time accept that legal verdict by the highest court in the land ;)     
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