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Re: Scoobie Legacy cut out issue
« Reply #45 on: 10 July 2017, 11:32:53 »

Got back last night and I am not feeling 100% so I didn't get to it till this morning.  I tried starting again and the issue remains.  Fully charged battery but when I try to start it will not turn over.  I hear the solenoid kick in but the motor does not turn.  It also feels like there is a short because the whole car electrics die and you get the reset noise when you reconnect the battery.

So I have whipped off the intercooler and taken out the starter motor.  All the pos and earth wiring looks ok.  I dont know if there are any earths under the car but the one which goes direct to the starter motor seems good.  I put the motor on a bench and tested it.  Solenoid kicks in nicely and the motor turns.

So I am a little stuck.  The engine turns over manually in gear (tried pulling several feet with the towbar and no lockup).  The starter is fine.  Clutch engagement/disengagement is fine (visual check anyway).  My only theory is that the engine mounts are worn (fits with something else) and when I was joining the DC I must have changed gears too briskly and caused the block to move on its mounts.  This in turn may have knocked the motor a few mm which would prevent the teeth from engaging on the flywheel and a short in the motor.  Or that the motor just needed manually turning a bit because it was in a dead spot. 

Thoughts? :-\

If the mounts were gone it wouldn't affect the relationship between engine/gearbox/starter motor meshing up,if the starter works on the bench its more likely to be a poor ground connection at either battery,body or engine /gearbox
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Re: Scoobie Legacy cut out issue
« Reply #46 on: 10 July 2017, 11:50:39 »

Might be worth installing a new earth from the battery and try earthing it to different places - engine block, chassis etc. to see if it makes a difference. If it did, it would confirm you have a dodgy earth connection somewhere.
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Re: Scoobie Legacy cut out issue
« Reply #47 on: 10 July 2017, 13:35:15 »

What does your battery voltage drop to when you're cranking the starter?

I've had several batteries in the early stages of failure where they'd show a good voltage but wouldn't deliver decent amps to turn the engine and the voltage would drop so low that everything electrical in the car would reset - radio, windows, sunroof, the lot.

Have you tried a known good battery?
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Re: Scoobie Legacy cut out issue
« Reply #48 on: 10 July 2017, 13:57:11 »

Beat me to it sjc. Just rebuilt everything and still no joy. Must be the battery.

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Re: Scoobie Legacy cut out issue
« Reply #49 on: 10 July 2017, 14:55:19 »

Ok, looks like it a more serious problem.  I think it may have seized.  I tried the new battery same problem.  Checked all the voltages again, no problems.  Took off the aux belt to try and turn the crank and it wont budge.  Not even a bit.

Yours, frustrated of Camberley. :(
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Re: Scoobie Legacy cut out issue
« Reply #50 on: 10 July 2017, 15:04:10 »

Chain or belt driven?

Possibly jumped due to worn tensioner(s) when you fluffed the gear change... unless jumping out of gear was a result of seizing :-\ More digging required. What you find might not be pretty though :'(
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Re: Scoobie Legacy cut out issue
« Reply #51 on: 10 July 2017, 15:06:00 »

What year is the Legacy?

ISTR that for some years a snapped crank is not all that uncommon.
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Re: Scoobie Legacy cut out issue
« Reply #52 on: 10 July 2017, 15:11:16 »

2009 Legacy Boxer Diesel EE20.  I think it's a chain but I might be wrong.
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Re: Scoobie Legacy cut out issue
« Reply #53 on: 10 July 2017, 15:12:35 »

What year is the Legacy?

ISTR that a snapped crank is not all that uncommon.
Fixed. And not necessarily due to age/mileage :'(
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Re: Scoobie Legacy cut out issue
« Reply #54 on: 10 July 2017, 19:26:49 »

Well, it's write-off.  New engine is twice even the most generous of valuations so I shall go down the route with the garage that sold it to me 15 months ago and see what they say :y
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Re: Scoobie Legacy cut out issue
« Reply #55 on: 10 July 2017, 19:32:45 »

Well, it's write-off.  New engine is twice even the most generous of valuations so I shall go down the route with the garage that sold it to me 15 months ago and see what they say :y
Good luck, but a pity as they're not bad cars :'(
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Re: Scoobie Legacy cut out issue
« Reply #56 on: 11 July 2017, 11:13:44 »

Well, it's write-off.  New engine is twice even the most generous of valuations so I shall go down the route with the garage that sold it to me 15 months ago and see what they say :y

Think you might struggle 15 months on but good luck
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Re: Scoobie Legacy cut out issue
« Reply #57 on: 11 July 2017, 17:50:14 »

Well, it's write-off.  New engine is twice even the most generous of valuations so I shall go down the route with the garage that sold it to me 15 months ago and see what they say :y

Is that a brand spankers new engine?

You might want to contact a diesel specialist...

The Fiat Scudo that I had, I took (or it got recovered to be more accurate) when the engine in that went bang....to a specialist...

They looked at what was wrong with the engine and gave me 3 choices....

Brand spankers new engine....fitted for £4k
Engine repaired .... £3k
Second hand reconditioned replacement with 3 month warranty fitted... £1400

Guess which option I went for ...  ::) :) And got shot pdq after the repair  ;)
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Re: Scoobie Legacy cut out issue
« Reply #58 on: 11 July 2017, 20:28:49 »

Options i have:

1 nearly new 8k
2 older but good condition with warranty 4k
3 one from a breaker. No warranty, engine already has a knock (not sure if just a lifter) 400 ish quid.

Thats ebay, internet pages and scoobie forums checked.  Although my old man has found a working block (no starter, alternator, etc) in the US for $2300 + delivery
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Re: Scoobie Legacy cut out issue
« Reply #59 on: 11 July 2017, 21:42:12 »

If you're going second hand, budget for a new crank...
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