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[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

6 cylinders or 4?
https://youtu.be/oBI8iBOWwHQ

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I believe Jimmy's 140i lasted for almost a day before it went tits up.

[tunnie]

I spend 50% of my commuting time in 2018 BMW 140i, in 20K it's been faultless, as did the 50k in his 235i before that.

My observations:

- It's a fun car, 3.0 twin turbo petrol, with 340bhp in a 3 door RWD hatch.
- It's fast, sub 5s to 60.
- His is a manual, so more involved, though not as smooth for the passenger!
- A drive that does not spare the horses, will still get 30mpg average it's surprisingly good on fuel.
- It feels a bit cheap, the doors the plastic trim does not have that premium a feel, IMHO.
- The ride is horrific, it is absolutely appalling. I often cannot wait to get out of it, you feel every single bump, every change in road surface.

[Viral_Jim]

With the exception of the reliability point (which I obviously can't agree with  ) I'd concur on all points.

I had a set of 17"s with winter wheels on, which I never got the chance to try on it, but I wonder if they would have improved the ride. 

It was very evident that all the money went on the engine and drivetrain, rather than the interior. But seeing as you could get one, brand new for under £28k if you knew where to look, it was hardly surprising that there were some rough edges. 

What I did find surprising was that the 2 different 3 series I had as courtesy cars while mine was in the shop (one leather one cloth) felt no better inside. Considering the performance variants of those (even excluding the M3) can go well north of 40k, I didn't find the quality of their interiors acceptable.  My current golf's interior is better screwed together, albeit not as fancy to look at.

[aaronjb]

you feel every single bump, every change in road surface.

I thought that was called "feedback" and a desirable thing .. although I know the optional feedback module wasn't installed in my Omega

I'd love a go in a new M4; a friend of mine described it as "Perfect for you. You'd love it, it's constantly trying to kill you"

[tunnie]

you feel every single bump, every change in road surface.

I thought that was called "feedback" and a desirable thing .. although I know the optional feedback module wasn't installed in my Omega

I'd love a go in a new M4; a friend of mine described it as "Perfect for you. You'd love it, it's constantly trying to kill you"

Not in my book, I want to float over bumps! Like in a Citroen C6 with that odd suspension setup.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

you feel every single bump, every change in road surface.

I thought that was called "feedback" and a desirable thing .. although I know the optional feedback module wasn't installed in my Omega

I'd love a go in a new M4; a friend of mine described it as "Perfect for you. You'd love it, it's constantly trying to kill you"

Not in my book, I want to float over bumps! Like in a Citroen C6 with that odd suspension setup.

It's an age and padding thing. I'm guessing that your arse may be less 'well padded' than that of Aaron.

Mt Tata rides pretty well considering it sits on 20 inch wheels.

[Doctor Gollum]

you feel every single bump, every change in road surface.

I thought that was called "feedback" and a desirable thing .. although I know the optional feedback module wasn't installed in my Omega

I'd love a go in a new M4; a friend of mine described it as "Perfect for you. You'd love it, it's constantly trying to kill you"

Not in my book, I want to float over bumps! Like in a Citroen C6 with that odd suspension setup.

But you think that an Omega on 180k mile suspension handles well

[STEMO]

you feel every single bump, every change in road surface.

I thought that was called "feedback" and a desirable thing .. although I know the optional feedback module wasn't installed in my Omega

I'd love a go in a new M4; a friend of mine described it as "Perfect for you. You'd love it, it's constantly trying to kill you"

Not in my book, I want to float over bumps! Like in a Citroen C6 with that odd suspension setup.

But you think that an Omega on 180k mile suspension handles well

The shocks will have gone so it will be bouncing along on it's springs. Lovely and soft.

[aaronjb]

you feel every single bump, every change in road surface.

I thought that was called "feedback" and a desirable thing .. although I know the optional feedback module wasn't installed in my Omega

I'd love a go in a new M4; a friend of mine described it as "Perfect for you. You'd love it, it's constantly trying to kill you"

Not in my book, I want to float over bumps! Like in a Citroen C6 with that odd suspension setup.

Ah .. this is probably the pinnacle of vehicle "handling" for you, then

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

you feel every single bump, every change in road surface.

I thought that was called "feedback" and a desirable thing .. although I know the optional feedback module wasn't installed in my Omega

I'd love a go in a new M4; a friend of mine described it as "Perfect for you. You'd love it, it's constantly trying to kill you"

Not in my book, I want to float over bumps! Like in a Citroen C6 with that odd suspension setup.

Ah .. this is probably the pinnacle of vehicle "handling" for you, then

That holds a certain appeal for me......

[Sir Tigger KC]

you feel every single bump, every change in road surface.

I thought that was called "feedback" and a desirable thing .. although I know the optional feedback module wasn't installed in my Omega

I'd love a go in a new M4; a friend of mine described it as "Perfect for you. You'd love it, it's constantly trying to kill you"

Not in my book, I want to float over bumps! Like in a Citroen C6 with that odd suspension setup.

Ah .. this is probably the pinnacle of vehicle "handling" for you, then

That holds a certain appeal for me......

That's the same colour as my old Marina! 

I never thought of whitewalled tyres....     It would have given it an extra dimension! 

[YZ250]

.........
I had a set of 17"s with winter wheels on, which I never got the chance to try on it, but I wonder if they would have improved the ride. 
........

I normally opt for the 430d M Sport Plus so I get the 19" wheels and the blue calipers as standard but, I did once have a standard 430d M Sport, which had the 18" wheels on. It was instantly noticeable that the ride was more cushioned with the higher profile tyres on, but me being me I went back to the 19's as they look nicer. 

[Andy B]

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Ah .. this is probably the pinnacle of vehicle "handling" for you, then

If only I had the money  ...... The Cars the Star https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjT0PaMURz8 .... IIRC Quentin said of the CAddy 'welcome to the world of 8mpg' 

[Nick W]

Not in my book, I want to float over bumps! Like in a Citroen C6 with that odd suspension setup.

But you think that an Omega on 180k mile suspension handles well

The shocks will have gone so it will be bouncing along on it's springs. Lovely and soft.

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At 180k miles, both shocks and springs are overdue replacement.But the thing that we've allowed modern suspension designers to forget is that soft doesn't mean uncontrolled. Try an older Jag for this; they have long travel, soft(ish) springs and dampers that are perfectly matched. That gives predictable handling and a comfortable ride that combined allow plenty of feel. They're not encumbered by overwide stupidly hard tyres either, which lack a progressive feel and do the ride no favours

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Not in my book, I want to float over bumps! Like in a Citroen C6 with that odd suspension setup.

But you think that an Omega on 180k mile suspension handles well

The shocks will have gone so it will be bouncing along on it's springs. Lovely and soft.

.

At 180k miles, both shocks and springs are overdue replacement.But the thing that we've allowed modern suspension designers to forget is that soft doesn't mean uncontrolled. Try an older Jag for this; they have long travel, soft(ish) springs and dampers that are perfectly matched. That gives predictable handling and a comfortable ride that combined allow plenty of feel. They're not encumbered by overwide stupidly hard tyres either, which lack a progressive feel and do the ride no favours

Original XJ6 of 1968 was known for a supple ride but excellent handling.

[Nick W]

Not in my book, I want to float over bumps! Like in a Citroen C6 with that odd suspension setup.

But you think that an Omega on 180k mile suspension handles well

The shocks will have gone so it will be bouncing along on it's springs. Lovely and soft.

.

At 180k miles, both shocks and springs are overdue replacement.But the thing that we've allowed modern suspension designers to forget is that soft doesn't mean uncontrolled. Try an older Jag for this; they have long travel, soft(ish) springs and dampers that are perfectly matched. That gives predictable handling and a comfortable ride that combined allow plenty of feel. They're not encumbered by overwide stupidly hard tyres either, which lack a progressive feel and do the ride no favours

Original XJ6 of 1968 was known for a supple ride but excellent handling.

Exactly. The designers allow the car to roll as well, but it's  well controlled.

[TheBoy]

which had the 18" wheels on. It was instantly noticeable that the ride was more cushioned with the higher profile tyres on, but me being me I went back to the 19's as they look nicer. 

And you're a lunatic reformed driver....

[YZ250]

which had the 18" wheels on. It was instantly noticeable that the ride was more cushioned with the higher profile tyres on, but me being me I went back to the 19's as they look nicer. 

And you're a lunatic reformed driver....

The 4 series low centre of gravity and responsiveness to steering input is like a go-kart. It holds its line abnormally well, so when you press on around a roundabout it doesn't understeer like the Omega and feels like it's glued to the road. You aim and it will go, or so I've been told. 

But, I agree, it doesn't like speed humps or pot holes. When you hit a large pot hole it feels like the wheel must have shattered and it's at times like this that you notice the harshness of the ride.

[TheBoy]

so when you press on around a roundabout it doesn't understeer like the Omega

I managed to dial that out of my MV6 and make it very pointy, which is probably one of the (many) reasons I loved that car.  But it did leave me driving it far too quickly *ALL* the time 

[Viral_Jim]

Finally got chance to watch the video. Good to see that BMW have managed to come up with something wrong wheel drive, that's slower, uglier but has better iphonepodpad functionality.

Oh and it's more expensive than its predecessor. Such progress. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Finally got chance to watch the video. Good to see that BMW have managed to come up with something wrong wheel drive, that's slower, uglier but has better iphonepodpad functionality.

Oh and it's more expensive than its predecessor. Such progress. 

Ah.....but this new model can go a week without needing the AA man.....

[Viral_Jim]

I'll believe that when I see it.

[YZ250]

Finally got chance to watch the video. Good to see that BMW have managed to come up with something wrong wheel drive, that's slower, uglier but has better iphonepodpad functionality.

Oh and it's more expensive than its predecessor. Such progress. 

I honestly haven't read a good word yet about the exterior design of the new 1 series, apart from owners of 140i's as it has just made their car more desirable.    It's like the designer is deliberately trying to morph it in to a Kia/Hyundai style vehicle.
Also, what the hell are they doing with the model numbers, the 330ie is a 2.0 4 pot, the 530e is a 2.0 4 pot with additional electric motors and they appear to have dropped their best petrol engine, the straight six.
At the moment they still do the far superior straight six diesel, but if they stick that hideous grill on the other models they will be driving more people away. 

[Kevin Wood]

Everything on the road* will soon be a 2.0 4 pot.

It's BMW's antiquated numbering system that will change if anything.

* - apart from the 1.0 4 pots.

[Nick W]

Everything on the road* will soon be a 2.0 4 pot.

It's BMW's antiquated numbering system that will change if anything.

* - apart from the 1.0 4 pots.

worse than that, the 1.0 triples. Which are already here, and are shit.

[Kevin Wood]

Oh, yes, I forgot about those.