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[neil74]

 I thought today i'd change the oil for a laugh  and when I came to remove the cap from the rest of the housing it wouldn't come as a surprise to hear it never budged at all. so off I went to get the breaker bar on it and after a struggle it seemed to move but on checking the whole bloody thing was turning and to add insult to injury no matter which way I turned the thing I could not get it off the block or could I tighten it. so my question is what can I do to sort it out as I'm slowly going off the damn car.

[terry paget]

Bad luck. It happened to me on my blue 2.5. What you have to do is break/saw/chisel the cap off the cartridge, remove the 28mm nut now revealed holding the canister on, and replace it with a pipe and spin on filter as in the following guide.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90579.0

Good luck!

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Before doing something as drastic as that, try a strap wrench to hold the body while you undo the cap.

[DrAndyB]

Before doing something as drastic as that, try a strap wrench to hold the body while you undo the cap.

   Seconded, don't go crazy just yet

I never had a problem with mine, but I service the car myself and know its not been torqued up stupid - Says on the cap - non much from memory - 5Nm ?

I prefer the cartridge type as oil doesn't piss all over the cranksensor as housing gives some clearance when changing the filter

They are a bit like Marmite - you either love or hate them  .  I've not hand any issues with them, but I know others have.

Good luck and hope get sorted. 

[Mr Gav]

Before doing something as drastic as that, try a strap wrench to hold the body while you undo the cap.

I found one with the chain worked better as the strap type that I had was still letting it spin and I still needed a breaker bar, I think the person who did it before me had done it to 45Nm 

Once you have the cap off re-tighten the body then only tighten the cap nut to 15Nm 

[TheBoy]

Before doing something as drastic as that, try a strap wrench to hold the body while you undo the cap.

This

Then remove the main housing, and refit it (to get good seal).  Don't bother with than spin on conversion, its a step backwards.

[robson]

Why is the spin on a step backwards. I have had both and to me the spin on is more fool proof.

[neil74]

Ok thanks all.

[cavell]

I ordered a 14mm hex bit on eBay. $6 delivered. Duh. I meant to order 12mm. I don't need a set of bits from 8mm-16mm? My dad has $50k pile of tools. 80mi away.
8" lathe
Parts washer
Oxy/atcyl torch
Wire feed welder
Hyd floor stand press
Bead blast cabinet
3 floor jacks
2 air compressors
Heated garage of course. It's cold in mn.

[TheBoy]

Why is the spin on a step backwards. I have had both and to me the spin on is more fool proof.

Messy, messy, messy and messy.

The paper element type is so much cleaner, and if used right, trouble free.

I too had both up until I scrappy the Silver Bullet a couple of months back, and the paper element is so much less hassle

[Doctor Gollum]

Spin on can be changed from above if fitted correctly

[TheBoy]

Spin on can be changed from above if fitted correctly

If the engine is cold.  I like a warm engine to thin the oil

[Doctor Gollum]

Spin on can be changed from above if fitted correctly

If the engine is cold.  I like a warm engine to thin the oil

Think this through...

Warm oil drains better... so get the engine nice and hot, then drain it... don't actually need to jack the car for this, but it does save getting stuck Whilst that's draining, change the air and pollen filters and plugs. Then have lunch. Then undo the oil filter. From above. Oil mess should be minimal as the hot oil should have mostly drained down in the time passed.

Scribble sweet nothings in the service book and call it done

[BazaJT]

I've not looked into this in any way,but I'm curious.If the spin on filter can be changed from above why can't the element type be done that way also?

[Doctor Gollum]

I've not looked into this in any way,but I'm curious.If the spin on filter can be changed from above why can't the element type be done that way also?

The lid cannot be undone by hand and there isn't room to swing a spanner/socket from above

[Andy B]

I can never understand why, when only a hand full of people have a problem undoing a paper element filter, that the same hand full of people all cry out the spin on filter is far superior. I managed 20 or so oil & filter changes on my Omega over the years I had it without a problem, like wise the paper filter on my Smart (though it's cap is plastic) & again there are those that want to promote the spin on filter. If paper element filter are/were that bad, why do manufactures still fit them?

[Doctor Gollum]

The secret is in the application...

On the Omega, the cartridge cap can be a dog to remove as decent leverage access is very limited. I never had a real gripe with the cartridge, but did find the spin on canister much easier to deal with.

For those more miserly amongst us, the spin on filters are also half the price ...

[johnnydog]

I use a 24mm flexible head ratchet ring spanner, and I find this works very well allowing the length of the spanner to be positioned conveniently for maximum movement, which isn't quite as easy with a ratchet and socket or a straight open ended spanner.

[TheBoy]

Spin on can be changed from above if fitted correctly

If the engine is cold.  I like a warm engine to thin the oil

Think this through...

Warm oil drains better... so get the engine nice and hot, then drain it... don't actually need to jack the car for this, but it does save getting stuck Whilst that's draining, change the air and pollen filters and plugs. Then have lunch. Then undo the oil filter. From above. Oil mess should be minimal as the hot oil should have mostly drained down in the time passed.

Scribble sweet nothings in the service book and call it done

If I'm changing the oil, I'm changing the bloody oil. Not anything else.

The jack has to come out to get my oil pan under, and no way could I undo sump plug with the oil drain pan there.  If maintained correctly, the metal cap comes off easy.  If not maintained, the spin-on CANNOT be done from above, even when cold.  And in either case, you need to jack it up to remove the bloody mess it creates.



So absolutely zero pros for spin on, just a nasty, messy negative.

[TheBoy]

The secret is in the application...

On the Omega, the cartridge cap can be a dog to remove as decent leverage access is very limited. I never had a real gripe with the cartridge, but did find the spin on canister much easier to deal with.

For those more miserly amongst us, the spin on filters are also half the price ...

It should not be tight. Its only if fitted by a mong, or left on for 20,000 miles, that it becomes tight.  Under these circimstances, you end up fighting spin-ons as well.

Both filter types are around £2.50 if I can be arsed to traipse to a factor, or £3.50 for GM delivered by their vans.

[neil74]

Well i've tried a metal oil filter strap type thing and bent it. I've also tried a large pipe wrench thing with the breaker bar and all i'm doing is mangling the housing up so that's it from me I'm afraid i'm done with messing with the thing.

[amba]

If it isn't moving with strap holding it ,best option left is the smash the top off as its only cast alloy.

That will allow you to remove the filter and be able to see the housing securing nut.Once that is removed the old housing body can be removed and you are left with 2 options then.

1)... for about £15 you buy a spigot conversion and some Loctite to secure it then you can fit the metal spin on filter.

2)...for a whole lot more you buy a new canister and cap probably from VX and the resort back to OEM for the car and use paper type filters .

[omega2018]

If it isn't moving with strap holding it ,best option left is the smash the top off as its only cast alloy.

That will allow you to remove the filter and be able to see the housing securing nut.Once that is removed the old housing body can be removed and you are left with 2 options then.

1)... for about £15 you buy a spigot conversion and some Loctite to secure it then you can fit the metal spin on filter.

2)...for a whole lot more you buy a new canister and cap probably from VX and the resort back to OEM for the car and use paper type filters .

you can probably get a used canister cheap or free from someone here who has converted to spin on.  i kept mine for a while in case anyone wanted it but no one did and it got chucked. in my migs i have had spin on, canister, canister again and now converted to spin on. if i ever get another i will convert to spin on, much better in my experience.

'nipple' i believe is the general term for the conversion spigot, £15 is a bit of a vx rip off i'm sure you could get a generic one with the right thread or make one up for £5.  put two nuts on it when fitting and tighten the outer one, then when the loctite is set tighten the inner one then undo both, easy. 

[Nick W]

you can probably get a used canister cheap or free from someone here who has converted to spin on.  I kept mine for a while in case anyone wanted it but no one did and it got chucked. in my migs i have had spin on, canister, canister again and now converted to spin on. if i ever get another i will convert to spin on, much better in my experience.

'nipple' i believe is the general term for the conversion spigot, £15 is a bit of a Vx rip off i'm sure you could get a generic one with the right thread or make one up for £5.  put two nuts on it when fitting and tighten the outer one, then when the loctite is set tighten the inner one then undo both, easy.

I couldn't give the canister away; you've either never broken one and don't need it, or prefer spin on filters. I converted to spin on because after struggling for the second time to undo the cap(and I had tightened it with a torque wrench a year and about 8k miles earlier) I wasn't going to put up with it again. I find they're less messy, but that's a benefit not the sole reason for using them


The adapter is easily made as it's a tube about 40mm long and threaded M18x1.5 I could make them, but even at £15(I paid about a tenner for mine) simply isn't worth the hassle.

[omega2018]

m18 nipple £4.17 delivered here www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281042112447 though the vx one doesn't have the hex. the hex will assist installation but not sure if if would get in the way, can't recall the thread gap on the vx one. 

i changed to spin on when national tyres messed up the first oil change  - the canister leaked. even they couldn't mess up a spin on but now i do it myself as it is so simple.  you can even remove a spin on with no oil dripping, did it once but not sure how . 

nipple is no. 7, part number  90412159

[Nick W]

I changed to spin on when national tyres messed up the first oil change  - the canister leaked. even they couldn't mess up a spin on but now i do it myself as it is so simple.  you can even remove a spin on with no oil dripping, did it once but not sure how .

The same way it's always been done: change it when the engine hasn't been run for several hours. Then you loosen and spin the filter off in one go, tilting it upright as it comes off. Easy from above on a Capri engine with good access and practice, much less likely on an Omega V6

[omega2018]

I changed to spin on when national tyres messed up the first oil change  - the canister leaked. even they couldn't mess up a spin on but now i do it myself as it is so simple.  you can even remove a spin on with no oil dripping, did it once but not sure how .

The same way it's always been done: change it when the engine hasn't been run for several hours. Then you loosen and spin the filter off in one go, tilting it upright as it comes off. Easy from above on a Capri engine with good access and practice, much less likely on an Omega V6

no i think it was to do with jacking up the n/s.  i'd never changed the oil when cold though i suppose i could do the oil hot and wait.

[EMD]

Spin on rules 

If the locating lug snaps on the canister type which will if its been done up too tight then get the swear box out  After throwing away canister once smashed to pieces replace with spin on and be happy 
Im sure vx wanted over £100 for a replacement canister and cap a few yrs ago but had none in stock , not that i was going to shell out for it

[neil74]

Well I've looked around and I cant find either the tube to convert it to spin on filter or put it back to the old annoying setup. does anyone have anything I could buy to sort my car out as I'm getting really fed up with it.



Cheers
Neil.

[cavell]

my wixx filters arrived in the mail today. got 3 for $11 delivered. i have not changed the oil on my recently repaired vue. but my kid has another vue with the 3.0 and i do that job. had it for 4-5 yrs so i have done a few. i will get to see how tight the cast cap is this weekend.

[BazaJT]

Out of interest[and possibly to buy one-just in case] I asked at a dealers about that nipple and they told me Vx dealers no longer stock them and there was only one available in the country-somewhere down South-at a price of £25 How true this was[after all we all known how reliable some dealer parts staff can be]I don't know-I didn't order it anyway!

[neil74]

The problem is cant find any of them. nor can I find any of the original parts that i would grudgingly put back on to the car if i had too. there must be someone somewhere who has one they could sell me..

[Nick W]

The problem is cant find any of them. nor can I find any of the original parts that i would grudgingly put back on to the car if i had too. there must be someone somewhere who has one they could sell me..

the same part is used in most other Vx engines that use a spin-off filter. M18X1.5 is a common filter thread, and I know that Ford use a fitting that will work.

[neil74]

Ok cheers Nick. I did ask my sister whose other half works in a parts factor if there was anything else that might do the job but he apparently said he doesn't know..

[omega2018]

Well I've looked around and I cant find either the tube to convert it to spin on filter or put it back to the old annoying setup. does anyone have anything I could buy to sort my car out as I'm getting really fed up with it.

how about the ebay link i posted? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281042112447

[Bigron]

There are two M18 nipples listed on that ebay site - which one, please?

Ron.

[robson]

I have a nipple which I purchased from main dealer (sorry but it is my fall back when the canister gets stuck) but my point is that the threads look identical ie not different diameters as the ebay ones. the nipple is 25mm long 17mm dia. thread length 8.5mm each end, bore 12mm don't ask me what thread but they look identical. Its just a straight pipe threaded at each end.Do you know a machine shop.

[robson]

I said 17mm dia but could be M8 is that 18mm dia?

[robson]

sorry get it right M18.Back to bed I think.

[Sir Tigger KC]

PM sent Neil. 

[robson]

As I was passing my dealer I asked about the nipple part no.90412159 they said no stock any anywhere in UK maybe in Germany. Price £21.30.I think Nick should make some.

[Bigron]

If Nick is listening, I would be interested too. Serek did my last oil change, so I know that it will have been done properly, but the future is unpredictable so having one as insurance would be worthwhile.
The ebay link that migmog kindly posted has a hexagon in the middle and some doubt was raised about possible interference with the fitting?

Ron.

[robson]

 ebay one didn't it have different threads at each end.

[aaronjb]

Pretty sure Vauxhall have been using the same thread size forever across all their engines (M18x1.5), in which case this should work to allow you to convert to spin-on: http://qedmotorsport.co.uk/qed-shop/vauxhall-xe-c20xe/lubrication/standard-filter-adaptor

[Nick W]

Pretty sure Vauxhall have been using the same thread size forever across all their engines (M18x1.5), in which case this should work to allow you to convert to spin-on: http://qedmotorsport.co.uk/qed-shop/vauxhall-xe-c20xe/lubrication/standard-filter-adaptor

'Problem' solved. As I posted previously, I couldn't justify making one when they cost so little to buy. Or if I couldn't scrounge one from another engine.

[omega2018]

ebay one didn't it have different threads at each end.

has the various options (ignore stock photo)  option to choose was  "m18x 1.5 to m18 x 1.5"