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[MikeDundee]

 Came across this the other day, bubbling under the paintwork, so this morning thought i would have a wee chip away at it thinking it might be an easy refill and repair within my realms of doable ......, well little bit turned out to identify bigger underlying issue, so think will speak to the guys round the corner would P40 do this and a bit of mesh?....I personally think a bit of welding a section on?, side skirt will also need to come off, and the rubber lower door seal on the body work does not appear to just come off easy, must be stuck with something, don't want to pull too hard on it....

[henryd]

That needs welding and once side skirt and end cap are off it may be worse than that

[Doctor Gollum]

That needs welding and once side skirt and end cap are off it will be worse than that

Fixed.

As above, the rubber strip does indeed pop off. Wheel arch liner off will help to give a clearer picture before getting too involved.

Two points though:

1. A half arsed filler repair will make the actual repair twice as involved.

2. Drop Nick W a bell re patching it. He's in Medway Towns, so not a million miles from Costa Del Peckham, and really knows his onions

[MikeDundee]

That needs welding and once side skirt and end cap are off it will be worse than that

Fixed.

As above, the rubber strip does indeed pop off. Wheel arch liner off will help to give a clearer picture before getting too involved.

Two points though:

1. A half arsed filler repair will make the actual repair twice as involved.

2. Drop Nick W a bell re patching it. He's in Medway Towns, so not a million miles from Costa Del Peckham, and really knows his onions

Cheers, my thoughts also, need to be a proper job done, not half arsed, will drop Nick W a message and see what transpires

[Tick Tock]

That needs welding and once side skirt and end cap are off it may be worse than that

That's very likely 

It's also within close proximity to the rear seat belt anchor points, so no amount of filler is going to make it safe. Cut out and new steel welding in is a minimum requirement, but it would be wise to see what the rest of it looks like after you've removed sill covers and liners.

[Nick W]

I've seen your PM, but will answer here.


Your picture is just the symptom of a MUCH bigger hole that covers several different panels, all of which are MOT structural failures due to their location.


Before going any further, you need to remove the sill cover, end cap, plastic endcover inside the wheelarch and the seatcushion. Have a gentle poke about with a small screwdriver in those areas, and along the sill. Have a good cry, and report back.


I would also suggest poking about where the rear bumper covers the quarter panel.


It's fixable, but with exception of the sill(I prefer to replace the whole panel rather than several patches) a lot of fiddly work. To give some idea of the size of the job, I scrapped my car instead of doing the second side.

[Entwood]

Looks very similar to what I had a couple of years back ... cost to fix was £400 a side ... new sills and some serious welding around the seatbelt anchorage points, plus a bit of cosmetic welding elsewhere, followed by a bit of respraying .....

What the Irmscher side skirts was hiding was frightening when I was shown !!!

[VXL V6]

Andy Clears has just been doing similar repairs on my project car. The rear arm and seatbelt mounting points were OK on mine but that section of rear wing and the outer arch lip area have been replaced. You can buy the repair panels from Carz2. I suggest you take a good look at the front chassis rail / engine mount reinforcing bracket location (ie look with a screwdriver) as well as the items listed above before going in for any welding.
 

[STEMO]

Mike's gone for a lie down.

[MikeDundee]

Mike's gone for a lie down.

No I wasn't, I was busy cleaning the engine bay...

[MikeDundee]

I've seen your PM, but will answer here.


Your picture is just the symptom of a MUCH bigger hole that covers several different panels, all of which are MOT structural failures due to their location.


Before going any further, you need to remove the sill cover, end cap, plastic endcover inside the wheelarch and the seatcushion. Have a gentle poke about with a small screwdriver in those areas, and along the sill. Have a good cry, and report back.


I would also suggest poking about where the rear bumper covers the quarter panel.


It's fixable, but with exception of the sill(I prefer to replace the whole panel rather than several patches) a lot of fiddly work. To give some idea of the size of the job, I scrapped my car instead of doing the second side.

The quarter panel has already had work done, on the wheel arch section a couple of weeks ago but at that point i really never noticed that bit, until earlier this week. I don't really care what it costs to fix, I just want it done right.  ...Oh and it won't be me doing it, beyond my capabilities

[STEMO]

Mike's gone for a lie down.

No I wasn't, I was busy cleaning the engine bay...

Good idea, you might get a few bob for the engine 

[MikeDundee]

Mike's gone for a lie down.

No I wasn't, I was busy cleaning the engine bay...

Good idea, you might get a few bob for the engine 

Sounds like I will need it thanks a bunch

[STEMO]

Mike's gone for a lie down.

No I wasn't, I was busy cleaning the engine bay...

Good idea, you might get a few bob for the engine 

)

Sounds like I will need it thanks a bunch

No need to be like that, mate, you know I have nothing but genuine sympathy for omega owners.   

[MikeDundee]

Mike's gone for a lie down.

No I wasn't, I was busy cleaning the engine bay...

Good idea, you might get a few bob for the engine 

)

Sounds like I will need it thanks a bunch

No need to be like that, mate, you know I have nothing but genuine sympathy for omega owners.   

I know your a really nice person at heart ........even though in word type some may think otherwise

[Doctor Gollum]

 

Could be worse, Mike, it could be a twenty year old Mercedes 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Or a 30 year old Mercedes. I did a LOT of welding to the old 190D.

[henryd]

Could be worse, Mike, it could be a twenty year old Mercedes 

Oops, whats the S class thrown up

[Doctor Gollum]

Nothing some effort won't solve...

[STEMO]

Nothing some effort and money won't solve...

Fixed

[MikeDundee]

Well I checked under the rear seat and everything is fine, showed to the repair guy in the garage round the corner so dropping it in Tuesday morning to have repair done, will be wanting to see extent once they take off side skirt, and wheel arch cover. Have no choice have to get it done next week as MOT is due the following week, will keep you all posted on developments

[Rangie]

If it's worth doing then get it done properly, pays dividends in the end.

[henryd]

Well I checked under the rear seat and everything is fine, showed to the repair guy in the garage round the corner so dropping it in Tuesday morning to have repair done, will be wanting to see extent once they take off side skirt, and wheel arch cover. Have no choice have to get it done next week as MOT is due the following week, will keep you all posted on developments

Dont forget that your mot has had 6 months added to it so dont bust a gut !!

[MikeDundee]

Well I checked under the rear seat and everything is fine, showed to the repair guy in the garage round the corner so dropping it in Tuesday morning to have repair done, will be wanting to see extent once they take off side skirt, and wheel arch cover. Have no choice have to get it done next week as MOT is due the following week, will keep you all posted on developments

Dont forget that your mot has had 6 months added to it so dont bust a gut !!

Yeah good point, have ordered a rear quarter panel, and subject to what find on tuesday, can get a side sill if required. So if need to order another bit then it will wait until part arrives, so investigate fully first. Gonna see/try to take the irmscher side skirt off today see what' lurking underneath, might have a go at the wheel arch cover, but think that's a wheel off job?, if it is will leave until tuesday, would just like to see whether the sill is fubared and needs replaced.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Really need to check everything on both sides Mike. There may be nothing visible on the other side at the moment, but it could still be as bad or worse under the plastic bits.

[VXL V6]

.....plus those front rails.....

[Doctor Gollum]

At least it's not raining...

[MikeDundee]

 going to have a proper look on Tuesday when get it up on the ramps, and take the bits off, have order quarter panel, as part donor, can get the side sills if required, so Tuesday will be cursory look to find full extent of issue and whether nay other issues lurking that are not currently visible , thankfully the garage is just two minutes from my door

As regards the MOT well looks like I have until 22 November now, so no rush to fix, but still needs to be done as soon as can be.

[MikeDundee]

Well good news not as bad as it could have been, getting the work done now, have the car back late tomorrow afternoon, checked all other areas underneath and all fine , apart from oil leak coming from somewhere, that's the next problem to sort out ..total damage £270...oh and that includes fitting the rear track arms and doing the tracking, happy days

[Rangie]

Sounds very reasonable & peace of mind for a few years hopefully.

[Doctor Gollum]

Hopefully they'll be doing a full alignment to OOF spec, rather than the tracking... 

[MikeDundee]

Hopefully they'll be doing a full alignment to OOF spec, rather than the tracking... 

I will be checking , personally when the bloke showed me their alignment was not a proper full set up, like I have seen elsewhere, unless i missed something, still need to go to specsavers

[MikeDundee]

Well got the car back this afternoon job done not exactly perfect but done a reasonable job .......all in including rear track rods fitted £250........took the car to Mad House Tyre got the tracking done, gave them the settings, see results below, not exactly there but nearly.....





Tracking.....

[Doctor Gollum]

Arse end looks fine

That front camber needs re doing, because they clearly didn't even try

[MikeDundee]

Arse end looks fine

That front camber needs re doing, because they clearly didn't even try

He said that was the best he could get it

[Doctor Gollum]

Arse end looks fine

That front camber needs re doing, because they clearly didn't even try

He said that was the best he could get it

Bollix.

They didn't even undo the nuts.

That's to say, the numbers are unchanged from the 'before' list so clearly they're talking Bollix, not you

[Nick W]

Arse end looks fine

That front camber needs re doing, because they clearly didn't even try

He said that was the best he could get it

rubbish. There's easily 6° of adjustment just by loosening the strut to hub nuts and prying on the wheel.


Those figures of 1°28 will wear the inner tyre edges and make the steering really nervous. It should be more like 1°10.

[MikeDundee]

Arse end looks fine

That front camber needs re doing, because they clearly didn't even try

He said that was the best he could get it

rubbish. There's easily 6° of adjustment just by loosening the strut to hub nuts and prying on the wheel.


Those figures of 1°28 will wear the inner tyre edges and make the steering really nervous. It should be more like 1°10.

Cheers for the feedback, will be going round there this morning, get it sorted