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Potential 'Microsoft' scam?
« on: 10 December 2013, 13:21:36 »

Mum had a phonecall yesterday morning, from an indian woman claiming to be from Microsoft. She stated that the computer had logged a significant number of errors.

The woman asked mum to press Windows + R. The woman then told mum what was on the screen, so guessing some hacking involved...

Mum then had go to OpSys to see which files were running and which had stopped. The woman then said the stopped files needed to be fixed because the warranty had expired. This would cost £85 for two years or £104 for four years, so knowing no better, mum paid £104 ($169)

The woman then asked mum to enter a web address along the lines of 'Show my PC' . Message flashed up a warning saying that that site did not fix computers. Mum then lost control of the pc. After a minute or so the computer shut down. Woman gave win27890@hotmail.com as her contact id...

Later that afternoon, an indian man rang to say that Show my PC was no longer in business and she asked him to refund her money. He hung up.

Same man rang again today to ask if everything was running better. This is when I found out about it and gave him no end of shit. He gave the same email contact, inspite of claiming to work for a different company, and got very argumentative when I told him I had searched the address, giving two results (of 2) for www.scambook.com

He hung up when I asked him for his address ::)

Only apparent difference on the computer is that Google chrome has been magically installed...

Mums bank are pursuing the payment she made for a refund. Guess it only takes a moment to harvest everything of a modest family desktop. What else can she do?
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« Reply #1 on: 10 December 2013, 13:28:58 »

I hate to say this, but this is not a "Potential 'Microsoft' scam?" it is a very real one. Unless the  bank does a refund out of goodwill the cash is gone.

I strongly suggest that the computer has a complete scan with some up to date antivirus software and/or get Malwarebytes and run a total scan with that. All of this in case the computer has been infected with something or hijacked. Another scam these days is that they lock the computer and demand payment to free it. Attempting to engage these callers in conversation is a total waste of time.
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« Reply #2 on: 10 December 2013, 13:29:23 »

Old, old scam. I've had numerous phone calls from these leeches. Usually they tell you that you have a virus, ask you to give them remote access, take your money and all of your personal information.
You then have to pay someone to rid your PC of what they've put on it.
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« Reply #3 on: 10 December 2013, 13:30:49 »

I hate to say this, but this is not a "Potential 'Microsoft' scam?" it is a very real one. Unless the  bank does a refund out of goodwill the cash is gone.

I stronlgy suggest that the compuer has a complet scan with some up to dat antivirus sofwtaere and/or get Malwarebytes and run a total scan with that. All of this in case the computer has been infected with something or hijacked. Another scam these days is that they lock the computer and demand payment to free it. Attempting to engage these callers in conversation is a total waste of time.

I find a quick "F*** off" right at the beginning does it.
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« Reply #4 on: 10 December 2013, 13:37:50 »

I hate to say this, but this is not a "Potential 'Microsoft' scam?" it is a very real one. Unless the  bank does a refund out of goodwill the cash is gone.

I stronlgy suggest that the compuer has a complet scan with some up to dat antivirus sofwtaere and/or get Malwarebytes and run a total scan with that. All of this in case the computer has been infected with something or hijacked. Another scam these days is that they lock the computer and demand payment to free it. Attempting to engage these callers in conversation is a total waste of time.

I find a quick "F*** off" right at the beginning does it.
Had I answered the phone yesterday that's what would have happened...
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« Reply #5 on: 10 December 2013, 13:42:23 »

Currently running a full system scan with uptodate Avast.

Only two obvious programs installed remotely were Google Chrome and CCleaner, both now banished to the ether...

What else to do? Thinking changing passwords etc :-\ not really my field of expertise tbh...
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« Reply #6 on: 10 December 2013, 13:43:58 »

Currently running a full system scan with uptodate Avast.

Only two obvious programs installed remotely were Google Chrome and CCleaner, both now banished to the ether...

What else to do? Thinking changing passwords etc :-\ not really my field of expertise tbh...
If your mum uses it for banking, get it checked out by someone who knows,.
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« Reply #7 on: 10 December 2013, 13:44:48 »

Currently running a full system scan with uptodate Avast.

Only two obvious programs installed remotely were Google Chrome and CCleaner, both now banished to the ether...

What else to do? Thinking changing passwords etc :-\ not really my field of expertise tbh...
If your mum uses it for banking, get it checked out by someone who knows,.
Understood :y
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« Reply #8 on: 10 December 2013, 13:45:29 »

She'll probably be sending messages to everyone in her address book asking them if they wanna buy cialis. ;D
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« Reply #9 on: 10 December 2013, 13:46:24 »

She'll probably be sending messages to everyone in her address book asking them if they wanna buy cialis. ;D
You're a wrongun ;D
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Re: Potential 'Microsoft' scam?
« Reply #10 on: 10 December 2013, 13:54:04 »

Run Malwarebytes (Update before hand) in simple Safe Mode (no Network Support)  :y
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« Reply #11 on: 10 December 2013, 14:22:31 »

Old, old scam. I've had numerous phone calls from these leeches. Usually they tell you that you have a virus, ask you to give them remote access, take your money and all of your personal information.
You then have to pay someone to rid your PC of what they've put on it.

So have I, but when I say I know they are tying to scam me and I work alongside Kent Police they soon ring off! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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« Reply #12 on: 10 December 2013, 14:35:05 »

Definitely a scam .. but IF .. big IF .. you have some decent computing knowledge you can get a small amount of revenge by playing along with them and costing them time and money ... you NEVER allow remote access, you play really, really dim (easy in my case) and .. my favourite .. is to say you have to boot the computer as its off .. then boot to linux but don't tell them ... they will insist that when you can't find the "start" button its because your system is infected ... you just have to string them along by playing dumb .. my record is 53 minutes before they hung up !! - added bonus is they don't call you back .. :)
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« Reply #13 on: 10 December 2013, 15:26:48 »

Good idea! What's linux?  ???
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Re: Potential 'Microsoft' scam?
« Reply #14 on: 10 December 2013, 15:34:54 »

Frankly, I would disconnect the machine from the internet, archive anything of value and rebuild from the ground up before it connects to the internet again. There is too much potential for something nasty to be on there to do anything else. As to the money, just hope the bank will be sympathetic. if a credit card is used, the provisions of the CCA will provide some protection. If a debit card, you're down to goodwill of your bank. >:(
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« Reply #15 on: 10 December 2013, 15:41:57 »



I find a quick "F*** off" right at the beginning does it.

If you have the time and want some fun, do what Entwood describes. Wasting their time really pisses them off. I've done something similar and not even been anywhere near a computer.
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« Reply #16 on: 10 December 2013, 15:43:58 »

Avast found nothing...
Malwarebytes found 11 items, all now nuked...

Remote access now disabled.
Bank have the transaction in hand. Internet banking is a rolling password (chip/pin type), so don't think anything else can be done with that :-\
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« Reply #17 on: 10 December 2013, 15:50:21 »

Avast found nothing...
Malwarebytes found 11 items, all now nuked...

Remote access now disabled.
Bank have the transaction in hand. Internet banking is a rolling password (chip/pin type), so don't think anything else can be done with that :-\

Good result  :y BUT scan again after rebooting, just in case. Some nasties can do strange things.
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« Reply #18 on: 10 December 2013, 15:56:51 »



I find a quick "F*** off" right at the beginning does it.

If you have the time and want some fun, do what Entwood describes. Wasting their time really pisses them off. I've done something similar and not even been anywhere near a computer.
I haven't got time to waste their time, I am a very busy man.
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« Reply #19 on: 10 December 2013, 16:27:39 »

Good idea! What's linux?  ???

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« Reply #20 on: 10 December 2013, 16:29:11 »

I have to agree a complete rebuild as malware / virus writers work hard to try and make their illegal software as difficult to detect as possible and no anti-malware / anti-virus is 100% in detecting them.

Personally, I think they should be shot in front of their families, along with hackers and spammers, that would deter the lying, cheating, thieving scum.  :y :y :y

Personally, if it was me, I would also report it to trading standards and the police and your telecoms company, who must know where the calls originate from. The police now have a dedicated unit for dealing with IT crime and the more information they have the more likely they are to act to close it down.

You also need to cancel the debit / credit card so they or other 3rd party criminals don't (where they sell on the details) go on a spending spree with the information. To turn cards into cash they use bank account mules. I'm sure we have all had the earn money by collecting and transferring money using your bank account spam emails, the desperate and the gullible then become account mules.

Unfortunately, where many call centres are in India and other low cost countries, there are security problems with data theft common where employees are in a low paid job, so they sell on the customer data to make extra money. This has in the past included from BT although they have always denied any problems, which I know from experience where I had phone call from a scammer that have known too much about my BT account to not have got inside information.

Remember, NEVER EVER, give any bank account or credit / debit card details or other financial information of any sort to anybody you don't know that calls you, whoever they say they are from, as they could be anybody from anywhere.  >:( >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #21 on: 10 December 2013, 16:32:23 »

Avast found nothing...
Malwarebytes found 11 items, all now nuked...

Remote access now disabled.
Bank have the transaction in hand. Internet banking is a rolling password (chip/pin type), so don't think anything else can be done with that :-\

Good result  :y BUT scan again after rebooting, just in case. Some nasties can do strange things.
That was the quick scan, currently doing a more thorough one...
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« Reply #22 on: 10 December 2013, 16:39:47 »

As it keeps being mentioned...

How do I 'rebuild' the computer :-\
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« Reply #23 on: 10 December 2013, 16:42:12 »

As it keeps being mentioned...

How do I 'rebuild' the computer :-\
If you don't know, Al, don't even think about it.
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« Reply #24 on: 10 December 2013, 16:50:16 »

Avast found nothing...
Malwarebytes found 11 items, all now nuked...

Remote access now disabled.
Bank have the transaction in hand. Internet banking is a rolling password (chip/pin type), so don't think anything else can be done with that :-\

Good result  :y BUT scan again after rebooting, just in case. Some nasties can do strange things.
That was the quick scan, currently doing a more thorough one...

Malwarebytes Deep scan normally takes 1 - 2 hours, depending how many drives, size etc.

Also change all online Passwords that were used on that PC and Change all Mailbox Passwords.

Fairly sure theres an option in Win or CCleaner that will delete all personal passwords and stored data and do that for you

and yea, do a reboot, again in Safe Mode and another full scan after the first, just in case.,  :y
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« Reply #25 on: 10 December 2013, 18:40:07 »

Personally I would rebuild. New hard disk virgin copy of OS and possibly a BIOS flash too.

cancel the card she used and make sure the bank keeps an eye on her account.
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« Reply #26 on: 10 December 2013, 18:52:45 »

Personally I would rebuild. New hard disk virgin copy of OS and possibly a BIOS flash too.

cancel the card she used and make sure the bank keeps an eye on her account.

Srsly?  :o
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« Reply #27 on: 10 December 2013, 19:09:16 »

Personally I would rebuild. New hard disk virgin copy of OS and possibly a BIOS flash too.

cancel the card she used and make sure the bank keeps an eye on her account.

Srsly?  :o

if it has been RATed then rebuilding on the same disc makes it just as vulnerable to remote access. RATs can be notoriously difficult to detect, otfen the only way is to try and install your own RAT and if it fails you are infected.

Sometimes the bios can be infected as well which means flashing it with the latest version.
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« Reply #28 on: 10 December 2013, 19:28:59 »

In laymans terms Al.....wipe the disk and reload windows from scratch ;)
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« Reply #29 on: 10 December 2013, 19:38:02 »

In laymans terms Al.....wipe the disk and reload windows from scratch ;)

Indeed. No RAT will survive deleting the partitions and refomatting the disk - new HD would be a waste of money unless you are taking the change to upgrade at the same time!  :y
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« Reply #30 on: 10 December 2013, 20:01:23 »

Computer is an HP touch smart IQ525. suffered a hard drive failure about 19 months ago.

Was rebuilt with Windows8 and a 2TB hard drive.

Has had today...

1. Deleted both Google Chrome and CCleaner as neither were installed yesterday.
2. Full Avast scan, nothing found.
3. Malwarebytes quick scan... 11 items found and deleted.
4. Malwarebytes full scan... nothing found.
5. Restarted in safe mode.
6. Malwarebytes full scan... nothing found.

Have found the original Windows 8 discs. So removing and reinstalling it should be straight forward enough, I guess :-\

Alternative is to get in touch with the people who rebuilt it  :-\
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« Reply #32 on: 10 December 2013, 20:13:14 »

Backup the user data (usually c:\users\%username%) and then use the HP system restore disks to rebuild the system to factory-fresh status.

I used to work for the HP Primary Storage Team as a third line infrastructure contractor - their kit is good quality and Windows should go back on without any driver issues if you have the HP install media.

Stick it in and follow the instructions - but make sure that you delete the existing data partition. When Windows asks you where you want to install windows, look at the bottom and delete, re-create and then format the data partiton. The system reserved one can also be wiped, Windows re-creates this automatically.

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« Reply #33 on: 10 December 2013, 20:19:22 »

*Sigh*

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6347364~root=security,1~mode=flat
That went straight over my head :-[

Computer no longer has an HP operating system to the best of my knowledge, only Windows 8 :-\
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« Reply #34 on: 10 December 2013, 20:23:34 »

*Sigh*

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6347364~root=security,1~mode=flat

**Double sigh**

You were talking about RATs (remote access tools) and this link is about Rootkits... not the same thing. Besides, booting from a Windows CD/DVD will bring up a clean system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit#Removal
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« Reply #35 on: 10 December 2013, 20:24:25 »

Computer no longer has an HP operating system to the best of my knowledge, only Windows 8 :-\

Do you have the HP branded Windows/System restore disks?
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« Reply #36 on: 10 December 2013, 20:29:21 »

Very common scam, esp if you make it on to suckers lists. I know even (usually) switched on people get hit by this scam, God knows why.
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« Reply #37 on: 10 December 2013, 20:30:50 »

*Sigh*

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6347364~root=security,1~mode=flat

**Double sigh**

You were talking about RATs (remote access tools) and this link is about Rootkits... not the same thing. Besides, booting from a Windows CD/DVD will bring up a clean system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit#Removal

same principle applies to rats and rootkits as both can be kept in areas that fdisk and formatting will not touch. These areas are slso untouched by deleting partitions.

But what do I know about this subject against a relible resource such as Wikipedia. .... ::)
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« Reply #38 on: 10 December 2013, 20:40:23 »

No, only the Windows 8 ones...
In the system summary,
 
OS Name.    Microsoft Windoiws 8 Pro.
Version.       6.2.9200 build 9200.
System Manufacturer. HP Pavilion.

No mention of HP anywhere else in the summary :-\
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« Reply #39 on: 10 December 2013, 20:52:50 »

No, only the Windows 8 ones...
In the system summary,
 
OS Name.    Microsoft Windoiws 8 Pro.
Version.       6.2.9200 build 9200.
System Manufacturer. HP Pavilion.

No mention of HP anywhere else in the summary :-\

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« Reply #40 on: 10 December 2013, 20:59:33 »

I would send a pm but your in box is full ::)
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« Reply #41 on: 10 December 2013, 21:04:33 »

I would send a pm but your in box is full ::)

oops!

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« Reply #42 on: 10 December 2013, 21:05:47 »

Low level format disk (should clear ALL the hard drive - but will take time), repartition, reformat and reinstall Win8 from your HP "recovery" disks.

However, being sensible, suggest adequate to wipe partitions, repartition, reformat and reinstall operating system. :y
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« Reply #43 on: 10 December 2013, 21:19:01 »

Low level format disk (should clear ALL the hard drive - but will take time), repartition, reformat and reinstall Win8 from your HP "recovery" disks.

However, being sensible, suggest adequate to wipe partitions, repartition, reformat and reinstall operating system. :y
Can't Low Level Format a modern drive without specialist equipment ;). A normal full format should suffice. TBH, a quick format would as well, seeing as data would get overwritten before being referenced in the MFT
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« Reply #44 on: 10 December 2013, 21:24:48 »

i had two of these calls this week, told them to f***off.  ;D
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« Reply #45 on: 10 December 2013, 21:31:40 »

One of the DELs at work is on a suckers list, so we get all sorts of scam calls.  We have hours of fun, and end up with an awful lot of irate cold callers....
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« Reply #46 on: 10 December 2013, 23:07:27 »

Low level format disk (should clear ALL the hard drive - but will take time), repartition, reformat and reinstall Win8 from your HP "recovery" disks.

However, being sensible, suggest adequate to wipe partitions, repartition, reformat and reinstall operating system. :y
Can't Low Level Format a modern drive without specialist equipment ;). A normal full format should suffice. TBH, a quick format would as well, seeing as data would get overwritten before being referenced in the MFT

Yep but  ;)
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« Reply #47 on: 10 December 2013, 23:39:18 »

Chuck a Linux live CD in and fill it with /dev/random a couple of times then repartition and write a new MBR. :y

It's been a very long time since I've done a low level format!
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« Reply #48 on: 10 December 2013, 23:49:59 »

Now "low level format" is a bit of a misnomer. What is now referred to "low-level format" for today's SATA (and ATA (IDE)) drives is the zero fill/erase option usually supplied with drive manufacturers DOS utility software, or specialist software.
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« Reply #49 on: 11 December 2013, 09:37:31 »

Currently running a full system scan with uptodate Avast.

Only two obvious programs installed remotely were Google Chrome and CCleaner, both now banished to the ether...

What else to do? Thinking changing passwords etc :-\ not really my field of expertise tbh...

Excellent programme, I have been using it for years.  :y
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« Reply #50 on: 11 December 2013, 09:58:08 »

Currently running a full system scan with uptodate Avast.

Only two obvious programs installed remotely were Google Chrome and CCleaner, both now banished to the ether...

What else to do? Thinking changing passwords etc :-\ not really my field of expertise tbh...

Excellent programme, I have been using it for years.  :y
It's one thing to use a programme that you installed voluntarily, quite another if it were installed unknowingly... :-\
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« Reply #51 on: 11 December 2013, 19:06:24 »

Thanks for all your input :y Mum is most grateful :-*

Thanks also to Guffer for pausing his unpacking to give the PC a thorough check up :y

The indian fellow rang again today to suggest that she needed to turn on the computer to fill in a form for her refund... he got quite upset when she told him what a scamming git he was ;D

I don't quite see what he was hoping to achieve by ringing back, and it dawned on Mum that they must have initially got the number by dubious means as it is exdirectory... so a swift call to BT saw the number changed forthwith, with a reporting number should they get through on the new one :y
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