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[Varche]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43803340

Very unlucky. I cannot imagine the horror of it for the woman and those seated nearby.

Just as well we don't know how we are going to die.

Out of interest where is the safest place to be on a plane if you have to travel? I always try for near the front. partly as it is less noisy and partly down to having better air than at the rear .

[Lizzie Zoom]

Agreed, as none of us know exactly how and when we are going to move on.  Just as well really.

This was a dreadful accident, although not unknown, certainly rare. In a modern aircraft I do not think it makes much difference where you sit, and anyway when your number is up it is up wherever you are!

[Doctor Gollum]

Always aim to sit at the front of the wing root... Strongest part of any aircraft... The main spar runs full width across the fuselage, making the tube much more rigid, and is ahead of the main gear attachments making it less likely to likely to get the legs shoved up your arse

People have survived being partially sucked out for an extended period of time, but suspect that the blade coming through the window would have been pretty definitve

[Kevin Wood]

Out of interest where is the safest place to be on a plane if you have to travel? I always try for near the front. partly as it is less noisy and partly down to having better air than at the rear .

In the cockpit.
On your own.
With the engine left on the ground (or let someone else fly with it 50m ahead).

 

[Kevin Wood]

On a serious note, I think it's actually statistically safest to be in the rear as the tail section is prone to breaking off and having a less exciting time of it in the collision. Besides, that's where they put the black boxes and ELT.

[tigers_gonads]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43803340

Very unlucky. I cannot imagine the horror of it for the woman and those seated nearby.

Just as well we don't know how we are going to die.

Out of interest where is the safest place to be on a plane if you have to travel? I always try for near the front. partly as it is less noisy and partly down to having better air than at the rear .

At the back because you never hear of a aircraft reversing into a mountain 

[Doctor Gollum]

Out of interest where is the safest place to be on a plane if you have to travel? I always try for near the front. partly as it is less noisy and partly down to having better air than at the rear .

In the cockpit.
On your own.
With the engine left on the ground (or let someone else fly with it 50m ahead).

 

Have just reread Snr Vs post, the air all enters the plane through the middle and gets distributed throughout... Ergo, the chances are that the air is just as stale by the time it reaches the end regardless of which end you happen to be 

https://goo.gl/images/6EJM1D

Above link shows why I choose my seat as above... A fairly typical break up if the aircraft lands roughly the right way up.

iirc most of the survivors of the Sioux City crash were in the central section of the aircraft.

If the plane hits a mountain, surviving isn't really an option 

Besides, there's a very big difference between surviving, ie not dying and walking off...

[Doctor Gollum]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43803340

Very unlucky. I cannot imagine the horror of it for the woman and those seated nearby.

Just as well we don't know how we are going to die.

Out of interest where is the safest place to be on a plane if you have to travel? I always try for near the front. partly as it is less noisy and partly down to having better air than at the rear .

At the back because you never hear of a aircraft reversing into a mountain 

I guess the back row would give you a hundred feet or so of warning that you're about to die... If you like that sort of thing

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43803340

Very unlucky. I cannot imagine the horror of it for the woman and those seated nearby.

Just as well we don't know how we are going to die.

Out of interest where is the safest place to be on a plane if you have to travel? I always try for near the front. partly as it is less noisy and partly down to having better air than at the rear .

At the back because you never hear of a aircraft reversing into a mountain 

I guess the back row would give you a hundred feet or so of warning that you're about to die... If you like that sort of thing

Ideal for those who think 'dangerous sports' are for nancy boys.

[Kevin Wood]

.. and another salient point from this: ALWAYS have your seat belt fastened unless you have to be in the loo.

If bad things are going to happen, I'd rather stay strapped to something, even if it's not a complete aeroplane.

[amba]

I have adopted the safest possible option all my life.....I don't and have never ever flown and wont 

[deviator]

See, Windows sucks even at 30,000 feet.

[Varche]

 


Good point about seat belt being on.

[Mister Rog]

I have adopted the safest possible option all my life.....I don't and have never ever flown and wont 

Actually, that's not a bad decision. I am of the view that we take flying for granted, we expect to be able to go places at minimal cost, and we often travel for trivial reasons. Bring back the horse and cart !

[Lizzie Zoom]

The most logical safety feature I have encountered on an airliner was in 1964 when my parents and us flew back from Malta in an RAF Transport Command Comet 4b.

All the passenger seats faced the rear of the aircraft, the RAF logic being that in the event of a crash landing you would be pushed back into your seat.  For me, who loves flying and being at height, it was fantastic looking down during the steep ascent at where we had come from; Luqa airfield all laid out and quickly disappearing (no noise restrictions then on how steep the RAF pilot made the ascent!).

When I asked at the time why this was not a common layout for airliners, my dad, showing absolute fear of being "up there", said it was because so many people would be like him and fear flying if the seats faced the rear!

Does anyone who is RAF or ex-RAF know if Transport Command airliners still have their seats so configured?

 

[Weds]

When we fly EasyJet and book our seats I always try and get the extra legroom emergency exits over the wing, they are usually row 12 and 13, for some reason row 13 always seem to be available. I usually book row 13 as I think if i'm unlucky then so is everyone else. But as in the case above apparently not...

For some reason I believe USA planes don't have a row 13

[Terbs]

Good job you were in a 4B, Lizzie. Otherwise in an earlier version, your view may have been....lets say..a bit more panoramic !!!!

[Sir Tigger KC]

Out of interest where is the safest place to be on a plane if you have to travel?

Anywhere that's not a window seat near an engine.  Clearly. 

I always keep my seatbelt fastened loosely when flying, and I wonder if the lady who sadly died had hers on.    If so I wonder if it would have prevented her going out of the window and she might have survived.   

[Lizzie Zoom]

Good job you were in a 4B, Lizzie. Otherwise in an earlier version, your view may have been....lets say..a bit more panoramic !!!!

Now that is, sadly, very true terbert!

[Rods2]

Second un-contained CFM56 turbine blade failure in recent times. The FAA is going to introduce a test schedule for the engine if it has completed over 15,000 cycles (a cycle is a takeoff and landing) with this 737 having completed over 40,000 cycles. Where 737 CFM56 aircraft are the most numerous in the world I suspect that the urgency of the testing will be accelerated where it only takes about 2 hours per engine. I'm not sure if the test is x-ray or ultrasonic based as both can be used for fan blade fatigue testing.

[henryd]

Out of interest where is the safest place to be on a plane if you have to travel?

Anywhere that's not a window seat near an engine.  Clearly. 

I always keep my seatbelt fastened loosely when flying, and I wonder if the lady who sadly died had hers on.    If so I wonder if it would have prevented her going out of the window and she might have survived.   

The engine part that did the window in the first place is probably what did most damage to the lady who died

[Lizzie Zoom]

Out of interest where is the safest place to be on a plane if you have to travel?

Anywhere that's not a window seat near an engine.  Clearly. 

I always keep my seatbelt fastened loosely when flying, and I wonder if the lady who sadly died had hers on.    If so I wonder if it would have prevented her going out of the window and she might have survived.   

Actually the TVs footage of the plane on the airfield shows the missing window aft of the main wing, not above or around the damaged part of the engine.  It would seem the engine fan blade flew well back from the area of failure 

[Doctor Gollum]

Physics 101...

If something falls off the side of an item moving forwards at 5-600 miles per hour, then it's extremely unlikely to strike forward of where it came from

[TheBoy]

I thought I was a gonna earlier, when sat on the potty, following eating something most disagreeable at lunchtime.

There was a big yelp, and a lot of blood.  Blotting, rather than wiping, was clearly the order of the day 

Its made me feel quite delicate, and sorry for myself. Doubt there is any sympathy here though.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Physics 101...

If something falls off the side of an item moving forwards at 5-600 miles per hour, then it's extremely unlikely to strike forward of where it came from

I was pointing out to Sir Tigger that the seats around the engine area were uneffected, so not sitting "near an engine" as he suggested would have made no difference.

But no, you yet again have to make a sarcastic comment although I know nothing about physics.

You cannot help yourself can you?

I would add that blades, and propellers, have actually entered the cabin next to the engine in the past. That has been because the sideways velocity of the blade / propeller has been greater than the forces of forward air speed.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I thought I was a gonna earlier, when sat on the potty, following eating something most disagreeable at lunchtime.

There was a big yelp, and a lot of blood.  Blotting, rather than wiping, was clearly the order of the day 

Its made me feel quite delicate, and sorry for myself. Doubt there is any sympathy here though.

Sounds like you need to get someone ( a doctor would be preferable) to give you the rubber glove / ky treatment.
That is something that definitely shouldn't be ignored. 

[STEMO]

I thought I was a gonna earlier, when sat on the potty, following eating something most disagreeable at lunchtime.

There was a big yelp, and a lot of blood.  Blotting, rather than wiping, was clearly the order of the day 

Its made me feel quite delicate, and sorry for myself. Doubt there is any sympathy here though.

Lots of blood, eh? Sounds like you need your piles pushing back. I know a lad who'll help you out, pm me for details.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I thought I was a gonna earlier, when sat on the potty, following eating something most disagreeable at lunchtime.

There was a big yelp, and a lot of blood.  Blotting, rather than wiping, was clearly the order of the day 

Its made me feel quite delicate, and sorry for myself. Doubt there is any sympathy here though.

Sounds like you need to get someone ( a doctor would be preferable) to give you the rubber glove / ky treatment.
That is something that definitely shouldn't be ignored. 

Seconded!  Off to the Quacks with you forthwith! 

I'm being serious.  You should see a Doctor! 

[omegod]

I thought I was a gonna earlier, when sat on the potty, following eating something most disagreeable at lunchtime.

There was a big yelp, and a lot of blood.  Blotting, rather than wiping, was clearly the order of the day 

Its made me feel quite delicate, and sorry for myself. Doubt there is any sympathy here though.

Lots of blood, eh? Sounds like you need your piles pushing back. I know a lad who'll help you out, pm me for details.

I've retired 

[Sir Tigger KC]

I thought I was a gonna earlier, when sat on the potty, following eating something most disagreeable at lunchtime.

There was a big yelp, and a lot of blood.  Blotting, rather than wiping, was clearly the order of the day 

Its made me feel quite delicate, and sorry for myself. Doubt there is any sympathy here though.

Lots of blood, eh? Sounds like you need your piles pushing back. I know a lad who'll help you out, pm me for details.

I've retired 

I think he meant Lord Dr Opti.    He probably enjoys such things!   

[STEMO]

I thought I was a gonna earlier, when sat on the potty, following eating something most disagreeable at lunchtime.

There was a big yelp, and a lot of blood.  Blotting, rather than wiping, was clearly the order of the day 

Its made me feel quite delicate, and sorry for myself. Doubt there is any sympathy here though.

Lots of blood, eh? Sounds like you need your piles pushing back. I know a lad who'll help you out, pm me for details.

I've retired 

Plenty on the dole waiting to step up.....or in. 

[tigers_gonads]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43803340

Very unlucky. I cannot imagine the horror of it for the woman and those seated nearby.

Just as well we don't know how we are going to die.

Out of interest where is the safest place to be on a plane if you have to travel? I always try for near the front. partly as it is less noisy and partly down to having better air than at the rear .

At the back because you never hear of a aircraft reversing into a mountain 

I guess the back row would give you a hundred feet or so of warning that you're about to die... If you like that sort of thing

Yup
I'm kinky like that 

[2boxerdogs]

Strapped in or not strapped in when your times up that's it as far as I am concerned .

[Entwood]

Given that a load of the media hype is still, as always, completely over the top, can we remember a few salient points....  as a fully qualified and trained pilot-in-command (PIC) (fancy name for captain of the aircraft, co-pilot is referred to as pilot-non-flying, (PNF)), she/they would have completed many hours of simulator training and testing that would certainly have covered these points ...

1. Single engine failure procedures and landings

2. Emergency decompression and emergency descents

3. Structural damage procedures and operations

4. Seriously ill/injured passenger procedures

Given the published recordings of her conversations with Air Traffic, it would appear that all that training "kicked in" and she coped with a very unpleasant situation in the manner for which she has been trained.

She is NOT (IMHO) a "hero" .. just a damned good pilot who did what hours of training had equipped her for, in a calm and methodical fashion. Given her history as a Combat Fast Jet pilot, I'm not in the least surprised. 

The girl done good, but she did what was expected of her, that is why she sits there as PIC .....

[Rods2]

I thought I was a gonna earlier, when sat on the potty, following eating something most disagreeable at lunchtime.

There was a big yelp, and a lot of blood.  Blotting, rather than wiping, was clearly the order of the day 

Its made me feel quite delicate, and sorry for myself. Doubt there is any sympathy here though.

Lots of blood, eh? Sounds like you need your piles pushing back. I know a lad who'll help you out, pm me for details.

I've retired 

I think he meant Lord Dr Opti.    He probably enjoys such things!   

I think Lord Dr Opti only gets involved if they come from Thailand, have women's breasts and dangly bits.

[Rods2]

Given that a load of the media hype is still, as always, completely over the top, can we remember a few salient points....  as a fully qualified and trained pilot-in-command (PIC) (fancy name for captain of the aircraft, co-pilot is referred to as pilot-non-flying, (PNF)), she/they would have completed many hours of simulator training and testing that would certainly have covered these points ...

1. Single engine failure procedures and landings

2. Emergency decompression and emergency descents

3. Structural damage procedures and operations

4. Seriously ill/injured passenger procedures

Given the published recordings of her conversations with Air Traffic, it would appear that all that training "kicked in" and she coped with a very unpleasant situation in the manner for which she has been trained.

She is NOT (IMHO) a "hero" .. just a damned good pilot who did what hours of training had equipped her for, in a calm and methodical fashion. Given her history as a Combat Fast Jet pilot, I'm not in the least surprised. 

The girl done good, but she did what was expected of her, that is why she sits there as PIC .....

BA pilot I know was certainly made to sweat, where failure meant at best additional training or at at worst grounding on his annual simulator week going through all of the standard failures with a debrief afterwards but the worst part IHO was the progressive piling on of the failures part to see how much he could cope with at once.