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[Lizzie Zoom]

There you go Varche, I have started the thread Rod should have done when he veered well off the HS2 topic to make other political statements!

Another major escalation on costs is climate fraud where it need to be 'carbon neutral' & lined with thousands of noisy bird slaughterers so at the bottom of the next carbon cycle we drop below 120ppm & all C3 plants and almost all animal life dies, swell. Hard-left tree huggers are happy to destroy life on earth to get rid of their hated capitalist Western civilization & most animal life as collateral damage is acceptable. They have never forgiven us for defeating their Marxist ideology in 1991 with the fall of the Soviet Union & China seeing their only survival path for their Communism was by bolting capitalism on to the side of it. Climate fraud where I have been digging on the history of this was started in the 1990's but a group of UN Canadian environmentalists where the West is based on abundant, cheap, reliable, energy. A clever new front by the hard-left to prove they had lost a Marxist battle but by no means lost their subversive war.

The rich play holier-than-though by offsetting their carbon footprint while the many plebs pick up the real costs like HS2 cost escalation, expensive, rare, unreliable energy & the steady deindustrialization of the West where India & China are happy with their 550 coal fired power stations under construction to become the industrial powerhouses of the 21st century as we descend to 3rd world status industrially & culturally.

Spending on bad 'white elephant' projects that will never come near to paying for themselves, just weakens a country & it should IMO be scrapped.

Does that rant Rod make you feel better and more important? Such ramblings again from someone, who obviously is intelligent, but who feels the need for highly charged, emotive words, whilst spewing twisted and distorted political viewpoints that simply ignore the facts of Climate Change and how man must try and do everything he can to stop the melt down of our environment.

You are obviously designing these posts for other Forums (political?) and posting the same on here. You are again coming across as someone very twisted in thought, just like Hitler was when leading mass rallies and spouting off about evil, greedy, money grabbing Jewish capitalists, along with the sub-human Communist people of Russia. You are using the language akin to the infamous "Red under ever bed" period of US history. Your highly charged language is in the same mould, and I find offensive. Why can you not just stick to your simple viewpoints with standard English and forms of metaphorical discriptions?

The fact that MAN is causing dramatic damage to the planet, with a current example being the Brizlian rainforests being burnt down, seems to escape you. Some good people, including politicians and many distinguished scientists of all disciplines, are trying to stop this vandalism by publishing their findings and facts, whilst in fact pressurising the likes of China to reverse their use of coal - which actually you have stated in a previous post causes no problems to humans or the environment and the U.K. should still be using the stuff! A point I argued with you, but conveniently ignored. Brazil is currently being also highly criticised for what is a human led destructive act, for various reasons, in the Environmentally key rainforests. Have you commented in simple, non-inflatory language on that? No!

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I think you lost the moral high ground when you accused him of being twisted, and then immediately compared him to Hitler. 

[Doctor Gollum]

I think you lost the moral high ground when you accused him of being twisted, and then immediately compared him to Hitler. 

What's the expression?

Ah yes,

[dave the builder]

Another climate change punch up  discussion thread with added politics 
maybe add some religion in for good measure 

[Lizzie Zoom]

I think you lost the moral high ground when you accused him of being twisted, and then immediately compared him to Hitler. 

Really?!

Because that is how is coming across in his attacks, with inflammatory language, on everyone who do not conform with his political points of view. Just read all his posts."Climate Fraud", "noisy bird slaughterers", "Marxist battles", "rich play holier-than-though", "we descend to 3rd world status industrially & culturally" - what the F is all that about?  Why not just use non combatant language for this car forum, and not that used by the politically extreme journalists of the media, or, as I said, a dictator preaching to a mass political gathering of the faithful?  No those expressions are designed to inflame and make his statements more important than they really are, although they are originally meant for his other forum preachings as he has admitted, for his mass audience - just like Hitler!!

Of course all of us are allowed our view points, but it is the manner in which we express them which on a car forum should be straightforward.  We can all be challenged as well, as no doubt I will on this thread, but we all normally answer those challenges.  Rod has not when I, and others like recently Jimmy944, have questioned his points, given in expressive language, like his desire to return Britain to the 1950's coal dependant society as though it had any merits, whilst ignoring all scientific evidence, let alone knowledge of what those conditions were like in the practical form for us then.

There, I have now had my rant!!

Back to normal discussions on the OOF - if that is possible!!

Now for the religious bit Dave........................

[dave the builder]

Thank God for that 

[STEMO]

I would just live for today. Tomorrow doesn't look very appealing.

[redelitev6]

I think you lost the moral high ground when you accused him of being twisted, and then immediately compared him to Hitler. 

Hitler wasn't all bad , look at the Autobahns .

[Doctor Gollum]

I think you lost the moral high ground when you accused him of being twisted, and then immediately compared him to Hitler. 

Hitler wasn't all bad , look at the Autobahns .

Built in the main by the Yanks as an efficient way of getting to Moscow should the need arise

[Lizzie Zoom]

I think you lost the moral high ground when you accused him of being twisted, and then immediately compared him to Hitler. 

Hitler wasn't all bad , look at the Autobahns .

Yep

For those interested the following link gives a great summary of what are the true facts of Hitler's Germany up to 1939, that I have had to read many books on to get to those points. So as an easy read:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zpq9p39/revision/1

It certainly was not ALL bad, but what a price the German people, the Jews, and the rest of the world paid for all that!!  

And I certainly have never agreed with the National Socialist policy towards women!!

But the policy of getting all the lazy, snowflake, youngsters into National Service is very appealing !

[aaronjb]

I think you lost the moral high ground when you accused him of being twisted, and then immediately compared him to Hitler. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

[Lizzie Zoom]

I think you lost the moral high ground when you accused him of being twisted, and then immediately compared him to Hitler. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Not somebody else who has to use Wikipedia to explain themselves

Try reading history then you will understand why I made the comparison with someone who brings a political agenda, and audience, along with the insulting rhetoric to match to the OOF

[Migalot]

"...simply ignore the facts of Climate Change and how man must try and do everything he can to stop the melt down of our environment>"

A little reading for you Ms. Zoom. 

https://summit.news/2019/07/11/new-finnish-study-finds-no-evidence-for-man-made-climate-change/

Published July 2019
Co-authored by Jyrki Kauppinen, Professor Emeritus, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Turku, Finland.
 

[Doctor Gollum]

I think you lost the moral high ground when you accused him of being twisted, and then immediately compared him to Hitler. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Not somebody else who has to use Wikipedia to explain themselves

Try reading history then you will understand why I made the comparison with someone who brings a political agenda, and audience, along with the insulting rhetoric to match to the OOF

Have a read of the link and report back... 

[Viral_Jim]

"...simply ignore the facts of Climate Change and how man must try and do everything he can to stop the melt down of our environment>"

A little reading for you Ms. Zoom. 

https://summit.news/2019/07/11/new-finnish-study-finds-no-evidence-for-man-made-climate-change/

Published July 2019
Co-authored by Jyrki Kauppinen, Professor Emeritus, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Turku, Finland.

I assume you know that the Turku paper hasn't been subject to peer review and is basically tabloid fodder?