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[JamesV6CDX]

I had my local halfords mix me up some rattle cans for my Elite, I need to spray my mirror cover, fuel flap, and replacement rear bumper.

Colour is z382 ural mountain

Now, on a 14 year old car I expect far from an exact match.

But the colour is totally wrong, it's much darker and nearly grey!

I went back, manager was very good and said his staff must have got the mix wrong, he then made me a can himself and told me to try it

It's a touch better but still waaaay too dark

What now? My instinct was to get vx paint from a stealer, but the local stealers say they can no longer get ural mountain

Any ideas welcome. But please no suggestions of a body shop

[Andy B]

Nothing in the Car Plan range? (http://www.carplan.co.uk/index.cfm?page=1 their website implies 9000 different colours but only lists a few of them  )

[Nick W]

I wouldn't want to paint a bumper with rattle cans! Small areas like the mirrors and fuel flap would be my limit. After that the cost is enough to make it uneconomic, let alone the likely poor finish and colour match.
If you must use cans, then get them from a trade paint factors, who will match them to your car.

Seriously, you should get a quote from a body shop for whom this would be an ideal fill-in job.

[pauls]

James pop over to me i have a good paint retailer near me that should be able to match the colour for you

[Sir Tigger KC]

How about getting a local bodyshop to mix the paint for you and then you spray it yourself with an electric spray gun or air gun if you can borrow or hire one?  You'll probably get a better result than a rattle can. 

[robson]

James do you have to lacquer before you get the correct colour.

[Omegatoy]

clear laquer always lghtens the colour.but it sounds like its faded on the original colour coat,

[cem_devecioglu]

I had my local halfords mix me up some rattle cans for my Elite, I need to spray my mirror cover, fuel flap, and replacement rear bumper.

Colour is z382 ural mountain

Now, on a 14 year old car I expect far from an exact match.

But the colour is totally wrong, it's much darker and nearly grey!

I went back, manager was very good and said his staff must have got the mix wrong, he then made me a can himself and told me to try it

It's a touch better but still waaaay too dark

What now? My instinct was to get vx paint from a stealer, but the local stealers say they can no longer get ural mountain

Any ideas welcome. But please no suggestions of a body shop

avoid it.. because when it dries properly it will get minimum 2 shades darker




I must note the parts you will paint are all plastic so even with an exact match the final tone will be different.. why ? because plastic parts have different electrostatic loads so metal flakes will shape up / dry differently..


you can test the final color on test cards (sold in paint shops) before applying ..  but your color must be prepped by trial and error ..


and last note : sand the parts properly then spray plastic adhesion promoter wait 15-20 minutes then spray the primer before plastic adh promoter dries.. let it dry completely .. few hours than sand and paint it


ps: there are chinese made 0.8 or 1.0 micron cheapo hvlp spray guns..  if you have a compressor with 50 litre capacity those guns will spray much better than a rattle can even with an newbie hand.. just practice it.. and definitely use a mask

[Grrrrrr]

James,

Your profile says Bucks. Baldwins up Gatehouse Close in Aylesbury do crash repairs but the guy in charge there is very helpful and might make up some for you. Cannot remember his name.

[omega3000]

Does the primer colour make any difference to the top coat shade 

[cem_devecioglu]

Does the primer colour make any difference to the top coat shade 

theoritically no... practically it depends on the layers sprayed, spray nozzle thickness , color and the painters style .. so may, may not..


but from practice after 6 layers (even with 0.8 micron) it wont .. (but no of layers will  )

[andyc]

but the local stealers say they can no longer get ural mountain

At the risk of looking stupid i'd say "'dangle berries'" to the above but i'll check tomorrow for you


Andy

[JamesV6CDX]

but the local stealers say they can no longer get ural mountain

At the risk of looking stupid i'd say "'dangle berries'" to the above but i'll check tomorrow for you


Andy

Please

[cem_devecioglu]

year 2000 color number : M382 color code : 08
year 2001 color number : M382 color code : 3FU


it must be mixed in the machine..   there will never be a ready paint with that number and code.. 


but still there may be different mixture variants on standox and glassurite machines for the same paint..

[steve6367]

If you can find a friendly 'smart' repair person they can 'measure' the colour your actually is now and mix appropriately.

Steve

[biggriffin]

Find local paint supplier,who supplys the bodyshops.
go to said supplier, man comes out with the swathes,matches, puts code in machine mixes your paint.

if you was nearer the A1 Baldock area company there mix (a.r.davis) any colour to any code,

[cem_devecioglu]

If you can find a friendly 'smart' repair person they can 'measure' the colour your actually is now and mix appropriately.

Steve

those machines are expensive and not all shops have them..

[cem_devecioglu]

and here is the so called measuring spectrum analyser


"OK, this topic is right up my alley (I own a body shop... thats my day job). The "camera" that is marketed by PPG has 5 "eyes" behind what you would consider the lens. Each eye is set at a different angle with one pointing straight onto the color sample. As you place the camera on to the sample, you actually make contact with the surface, completely blocking out any outside lighting source. The camera reads and analizes the color at face value and at several angles. After plugging the camera into the computer and sending the info to the software the computer runs through as many as 70,000 color formulas already stored and tries to search out the closest match. If there is not a close match, the computer will formulate its own formula strickly from the color sample provided. Sounds pretty cool, eh? Now for the bad news... This item rarely gives the results you would hope for. In 15 years of using the "Profit" camera, I have only had it "hit" a color a handful of times. sometimes it wll get you into the ballpark, but most of the time its not even close.I used it couple of weeks ago on a dark silver, and it couldn't even detect the correct metalic size, IN SILVER! I ended up making my own formula from scratch (which is more common the the prefered result)."

[andyc]

As suspected your dealer is talking ********* Luton showing 2 and Germany showing 14

Spray Pt No 9194969

Cheers
Andy

Get stuck PM me

[dejbear]

According to the ICI paint manager there are two variants.

In 2008 they brought out a darker version.

Early code : VAN7B 
later code :  2XJBB

[cem_devecioglu]

whatever the stock paints or the variants are, I wouldnt trust them.. no one can predict the color change of a 13-14 year old car..  even in UK sun..

[omega3000]

whatever the stock paints or the variants are, I wouldnt trust them.. no one can predict the color change of a 13-14 year old car..  even in UK sun..

And acid rain  Never had a rattle can thats been the exact colour yet