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Re: THOSE wishbones.....
« Reply #15 on: 16 September 2017, 21:44:37 »

Who was it wrote & sang that song about Omega wishbones? ?

Seem to remember the chorus going something like :

Dem Bones  . . Dem Bones  . . Dem  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #16 on: 16 September 2017, 23:23:57 »

Well, I've done the deed and ordered dem bones from ATP: £69.99 - so that's my pension buggered!
I am expecting that letter from my bank manager, you know the one.....
"could we please go back to the old system whereby you use YOUR money rather than ours"!

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« Reply #17 on: 17 September 2017, 10:19:38 »

All my Omegas are running on ATP wishbones, track rods and drop links. A set lasts me about 30K miles, and costs £80. If a car of mine lasts 3 years I am pleased, and am happy to fit it with new wishbones. What with rust in the rear shock turrets, rust in the cills, plus other nasty surprises, I run them from year to year, MOT to MOT.

 In the past I have spent £70 on one wishbone, only to have it fail within a year. I don't know how ATP do them at the price.
My own personal preference is, if you still have the original GM or the earlier Lemforder (the later ones are poor), refurb them.  Poly the front, then you never have to worry about that again, and about every 2-3yrs, rebush the rear with GM bushes.  GM balljoints seem to last forever - I have only ever once had to change them (and not for MOT, which it passed, but because I felt there was play in them). Thus, my wishbone bill comes to about £20 every 3yrs, not including alignment which I do more frequent due to driving style.

I made a promise to myself to only use GM TRE's, following trying some cheapies (which all started with falling for the Autovaux "genuine" parts), which simply do not last. If they go within warranty, you still have the £70 realignment charge.  Just does not make financial sense, as the £25 for the genuine TRE is good for over 100k miles. Trying to save £10 on a TRE ended up costing me a whole load more.



By following the (better) advice on this very forum, and its predecessor, I was able to make my Omegas very, very cheap to run, with the suspension and steering as tight as a drum (without the usual sloppiness I feel when driving many of the other Omegas that used to turn up here), and reliable - crank sensors not withstanding! And I never had to spend every weekend out tinkering with the car either, in fact, I was always looking for jobs to do to it, or anybody elses - working in IT, staring into screens all day long, its really therapeutic to do some real work!

And all thanks to the guidance I've had from all the members here, and a special call out to those that I have repeatedly had physically help me on multiple occasions, including Marks DTM Calib (all round good egg), Darth Loo-knee (all round good egg), chrisgixer (suspension guru), tunnie (useless student, but useful gadget hands ;D), LFF (engine transplanter - 3 times in 2 weeks ;D), Lazydocker (LPG guru) and Kevin Wood (LPG and general engine management guru). Plus countless others, including JamesV6CDX who helped out when I was feeling too gay to change a K series HG (having never previously changed a HG), and the tractor engine swap posse - that's a day I remember with much fondness, despite the miserable weather.


Maybe because of all this help, or maybe just because of a desire to assist, I spend as much time on here as I can, and want members to learn from the mistakes I've made*, and advice I've been given that works for me, not to mention the extensive knowledge I've built up in my 14yrs of Omega ownership, probably 12 of those with full Tech2 access.  It frustrates me when I see people post something as fact when clearly they haven't even tried it themselves.  And I know I am the king of one word answers, something I'm constantly trying to change.  If that comes across as arrogant or egotistical, that is certainly not my intention, all I want to do is keep members' Omegas on the road for as long as possible, and as cost effectively as possible.
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« Reply #18 on: 17 September 2017, 10:24:26 »

*Including the time I was doing an oil cooler on TB1 (aka, The Heap), a certain DTM fella told me over the phone, "do not bend the oil pipes, undo them at the filter end".  A piece of advice I chose to ignore, as it looked simple enough not to worry about filter end.  I thought I knew better ::).

I recall calling him, whilst he was sunning himself on holibobs, "Maaaaarrrrkkkkk,  the oil pipes won't go back onto the cooler!". "Did you bend them?". "errr, yes". "&*%*&** idiot, I told you not to. OK, do XYZ, blah blah".

He was right in the first instance. And was right in how to resolve the problem I'd made.
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« Reply #19 on: 17 September 2017, 10:52:20 »

Oops!  TB     my comment about "purists"  slagging off these "inferior" products was , as shown by the amount of laughing faces I posted along side it, a tongue in cheek comment.
I'm sure if you drove mine or plenty of other Oof owned omegas, you would stop after a few hundred yards & get out , saying something like " I cannot possibly drive that thing".
I totally respect your vast knowledge , expertise & advice on all matters Omega,an example is the recent reply to the "radiator change " post of mine, but never having had the funds to get any of my omegas to your standard of handling , mine seems fine to me , even with ATP wishbones ;D.
I use my present omega as a weekend car, not doing that many miles & at a fairly gentle pace . So suspension & handling do not have to be as good as they could be & I am quite happy with the results I get from  these non OE parts.
It may be different if I were to drive your car & feel the probable huge difference , but it would still be a financial burden .

Hoping this makes my opinion on the subject a tad more clearer  :-* :-*


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« Reply #20 on: 17 September 2017, 10:56:49 »

Well, that was hardly a one-word post, TB, and very informative.
Your comments have come a little late for me, as I have ordered wishbones from ATP, after I had already bought the £15 Ebay ones.
Why both? Because of suggestions on here, followed by recommendations to replace the wishbones instead, in case my (presumably) 16 year old originals were tired.
I suppose I have two options; just do the ball joints and keep the wishbones for future problems, or vice-versa.

I was uncertain as to whether the car would pass its MOT this year, but it did, almost - one tyre plus advisories on other tyres and brake pads.
I now want to try to get it into proper condition and keep it for as long as I can, because I love it!

Having spent (for me) big money on tyres, etc., and full alignment still to come, needing a radiator and maybe one day the air con fixed, I really am relying on the great blokes on here for the advice, support and encouragement that you so ably described, without which my beloved Omega would be resting in that great car park in the sky!

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« Reply #21 on: 17 September 2017, 11:21:08 »

Well, that was hardly a one-word post, TB, and very informative.
Your comments have come a little late for me, as I have ordered wishbones from ATP, after I had already bought the £15 Ebay ones.
Why both? Because of suggestions on here, followed by recommendations to replace the wishbones instead, in case my (presumably) 16 year old originals were tired.
I suppose I have two options; just do the ball joints and keep the wishbones for future problems, or vice-versa.

I was uncertain as to whether the car would pass its MOT this year, but it did, almost - one tyre plus advisories on other tyres and brake pads.
I now want to try to get it into proper condition and keep it for as long as I can, because I love it!

Having spent (for me) big money on tyres, etc., and full alignment still to come, needing a radiator and maybe one day the air con fixed, I really am relying on the great blokes on here for the advice, support and encouragement that you so ably described, without which my beloved Omega would be resting in that great car park in the sky!

Ron.
If the original wishbones are GM, keep them in the shed, and look at picking up some poly bushes if any come up cheaply. Then you have spares next time they fail.
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« Reply #22 on: 17 September 2017, 11:39:52 »

Thanks TB: so I need to buy a shed to keep them in? More expense!
More seriously though, I keep reading about poly bushes on here, but know nothing about them, nor where to get them. Why are they so good?

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« Reply #23 on: 17 September 2017, 11:52:26 »

Thanks TB: so I need to buy a shed to keep them in? More expense!
More seriously though, I keep reading about poly bushes on here, but know nothing about them, nor where to get them. Why are they so good?

Ron.
Its normally the front bushes that fail first. And they are a bit of a bugger to replace if you don't have a press.

Polybushes last forever. So buy a set, and you never have to spend money on front bushes again. As a bonus, you get more consistent handling, due to the way the normal bushes degrade.

A few of us have tried polybushing the rear bush of the front wishbone, with unsuccessful results. DG fractured his (ATP?) wishbone after a while, I got strange handling effects on mine (but fortunately no wishbone failure on my GM wishbones).  So the general advice is use a GM bush on the rearward one when they need replacement, which is just under £10 per side IIRC
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« Reply #24 on: 17 September 2017, 11:55:18 »

Thanks TB: so I need to buy a shed to keep them in? More expense!
More seriously though, I keep reading about poly bushes on here, but know nothing about them, nor where to get them. Why are they so good?

Ron.


the standard front bush relies on the slop - sorry, compliance - of an oil filled void to isolate road shocks. As the rubber part is bonded between the inner and outer sleeves it twists as the wishbone moves. This means it isn't very durable even when fitted correctly. The poly bushes are solid, rotate around the separate inner sleeve, and don't have an outer sleeve. As long as you lubricate them on fitting, they last for ever. In theory, they make for a harsher ride, but you'd have to be a fairytale princess to actually notice. There isn't a downside to them.
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« Reply #25 on: 17 September 2017, 11:57:32 »

Thanks TB: so I need to buy a shed to keep them in? More expense!
More seriously though, I keep reading about poly bushes on here, but know nothing about them, nor where to get them. Why are they so good?

Ron.


the standard front bush relies on the slop - sorry, compliance - of an oil filled void to isolate road shocks. As the rubber part is bonded between the inner and outer sleeves it twists as the wishbone moves. This means it isn't very durable even when fitted correctly. The poly bushes are solid, rotate around the separate inner sleeve, and don't have an outer sleeve. As long as you lubricate them on fitting, they last for ever. In theory, they make for a harsher ride, but you'd have to be a fairytale princess to actually notice. There isn't a downside to them.
beyond being double the cost (and you have to buy decent quality coppaslip, not the shite the likes of Powerflex supply, to stop squeaking 6 months down the line)
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« Reply #26 on: 17 September 2017, 13:00:50 »

...and IIRC, they can be fitted without removing the 'bone completely. :y
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« Reply #27 on: 17 September 2017, 13:16:49 »

...and IIRC, they can be fitted without removing the 'bone completely. :y
Not really a driveway job, much better done on a ramp. But yes, perfectly doable :y
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« Reply #28 on: 17 September 2017, 14:26:05 »

Now I don't know what to do, especially now that I've bought wishbones (and Ebay ball joints)!
Where do you get poly bushes from?

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« Reply #29 on: 17 September 2017, 15:44:19 »

Now I don't know what to do, especially now that I've bought wishbones (and Ebay ball joints)!
Where do you get poly bushes from?

Ron.
Ron, don't fret yourself. Fit the bits from ATP. Keep your old wishbones and at some point in the near future, clean them up and fit the new ball joints to them. At that point, obtain and fit new rear bushes and poly front bushes. You will then have a set of wishbones ready to either fit to your car as and when or to sell on to another OOFer :y
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