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Has anyone noticed that a disproportionately large amount of media airtime seems to be spent on these minority groups?
A large survey in the UK showed about 92% heterosexual. I suspect in the Western liberal world that would be about right.
Not making a comment about the rights and wrongs or even against articles, just seems to be a lot
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Has anyone noticed that a disproportionately large amount of media airtime seems to be spent on these minority groups?
A large survey in the UK showed about 92% heterosexual. I suspect in the Western liberal world that would be about right.
Not making a comment about the rights and wrongs or even against articles, just seems to be a lot
One reason Varche is that this week is was the 50th anniversary of the Stonewall riots in New York against American police, who were so bigoted and reflected such a violent approach to the homsexual community, that something had to give. ;)
That is what is happening and I think, why not? :)
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Education counters prejudice.
Unfortunately the media seem insistent that information/propoganda is the same thing. It isn't. Although that doesn't stop the minorities blowing their trumpets.
Things were alot more straightforward, rightly or wrongly, when people were stoned and burnt :-X
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Education counters prejudice.
Unfortunately the media seem insistent that information/propoganda is the same thing. It isn't. Although that doesn't stop the minorities blowing their trumpets.
Things were alot more straightforward, rightly or wrongly, when people were stoned and burnt :-X
Now you cannot really believe that DG, can you? Burning women, and men, because they went against the church or were considered to be witches? :o :o
:D ;)
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No, just because they disagree with me. ;D
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No, just because they disagree with me. ;D
And if you were King Mig that could be enough for men to be hung, castrated, drawn and quartered until eventually dying :o :o :o :D ;)
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My Barclays banking app has turned rainbow coloured. In a fit of pique, I've stuck a piece of masking tape over it. ;D
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Education counters prejudice.
Unfortunately the media seem insistent that information/propoganda is the same thing. It isn't. Although that doesn't stop the minorities blowing their trumpets.
Things were alot more straightforward, rightly or wrongly, when people were stoned and burnt :-X
Now you cannot really believe that DG, can you? Burning women, and men, because they went against the church or were considered to be witches? :o :o
:D ;)
God forbid that you actually say something to someone lest you offend their gender neutral veganism. This is why no one speaks anymore and instead wander aimlessly about with their earphones in...
Of course stoning and burning people isn't right, but nor is it right that the vast majority of, dare I say it?, normal people should have the deviations and perversions of a very small global minority foisted upon then at every opportunity?
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No, just because they disagree with me. ;D
And if you were King Mig that could be enough for men to be hung, castrated, drawn and quartered until eventually dying :o :o :o :D ;)
Sorry to rain on the parade, but we all die. Some sooner, some later.
If being hung, drawn castrated and quartered were my lot, I would do everything in my power to make sure that it was the best expiration since the walls of Soddom and Gomorrah collapsed :D
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No, just because they disagree with me. ;D
And if you were King Mig that could be enough for men to be hung, castrated, drawn and quartered until eventually dying :o :o :o :D ;)
Sorry to rain on the parade, but we all die. Some sooner, some later.
If being hung, drawn castrated and quartered were my lot, I would do everything in my power to make sure that it was the best expiration since the walls of Soddom and Gomorrah collapsed :D
That's way to do it! ;D ;D ;D :y
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In Sainsbury's car park the other week, they, (Sainsbury's) had erected a 20ft by 15ft banner proclaiming "Sainsbury's support the LGBT community".
My question is why?
Presumably the LGBT community who use the shop select their goods and pay for them at the checkout in exactly the same as everybody else. So why the message of support?
I didn't see a large banner proclaiming "Sainsbury's support the hetrosexual community". Political correctness gone mad.
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Bacon, Lettuce ,Tomato and what ? Q ? quail egg :-\ A anchovies :-\
this sandwich sounds far too complicated ???
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Looks more like a bad hand at Scrabble.
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Has anyone noticed that a disproportionately large amount of media airtime seems to be spent on these minority groups?
A large survey in the UK showed about 92% heterosexual. I suspect in the Western liberal world that would be about right.
Not making a comment about the rights and wrongs or even against articles, just seems to be a lot
One reason Varche is that this week is was the 50th anniversary of the Stonewall riots in New York against American police, who were so bigoted and reflected such a violent approach to the homsexual community, that something had to give. ;)
That is what is happening and I think, why not? :)
Why not, Lizzie? Here's why not: it has little to do with religion and a lot to do with being against nature.
What is nature's prime directive for ALL species? To create more of that species. This is obviously impossible with either two males or two females; hence homosexualuty is against nature. QED!
Ron.
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Has anyone noticed that a disproportionately large amount of media airtime seems to be spent on these minority groups?
A large survey in the UK showed about 92% heterosexual. I suspect in the Western liberal world that would be about right.
Not making a comment about the rights and wrongs or even against articles, just seems to be a lot
One reason Varche is that this week is was the 50th anniversary of the Stonewall riots in New York against American police, who were so bigoted and reflected such a violent approach to the homsexual community, that something had to give. ;)
That is what is happening and I think, why not? :)
Why not, Lizzie? Here's why not: it has little to do with religion and a lot to do with being against nature.
What is nature's prime directive for ALL species? To create more of that species. This is obviously impossible with either two males or two females; hence homosexualuty is against nature. QED!
Ron.
You're right, Ron, which is why applied to be chief lesbian shagger when I was younger. Just to help the poor things out, you understand.
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Has anyone noticed that a disproportionately large amount of media airtime seems to be spent on these minority groups?
A large survey in the UK showed about 92% heterosexual. I suspect in the Western liberal world that would be about right.
Not making a comment about the rights and wrongs or even against articles, just seems to be a lot
One reason Varche is that this week is was the 50th anniversary of the Stonewall riots in New York against American police, who were so bigoted and reflected such a violent approach to the homsexual community, that something had to give. ;)
That is what is happening and I think, why not? :)
Why not, Lizzie? Here's why not: it has little to do with religion and a lot to do with being against nature.
What is nature's prime directive for ALL species? To create more of that species. This is obviously impossible with either two males or two females; hence homosexualuty is against nature. QED!
Ron.
You're right, Ron, which is why applied to be chief lesbian shagger when I was younger. Just to help the poor things out, you understand.
Just the pretty ones surely Uncle Stemo :-\
thank you for your service ;)
hopefully you converted a few to normal :P
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Has anyone noticed that a disproportionately large amount of media airtime seems to be spent on these minority groups?
A large survey in the UK showed about 92% heterosexual. I suspect in the Western liberal world that would be about right.
Not making a comment about the rights and wrongs or even against articles, just seems to be a lot
One reason Varche is that this week is was the 50th anniversary of the Stonewall riots in New York against American police, who were so bigoted and reflected such a violent approach to the homsexual community, that something had to give. ;)
That is what is happening and I think, why not? :)
Why not, Lizzie? Here's why not: it has little to do with religion and a lot to do with being against nature.
What is nature's prime directive for ALL species? To create more of that species. This is obviously impossible with either two males or two females; hence homosexualuty is against nature. QED!
Ron.
You're right, Ron, which is why applied to be chief lesbian shagger when I was younger. Just to help the poor things out, you understand.
Just the pretty ones surely Uncle Stemo :-\
thank you for your service ;)
hopefully you converted a few to normal :P
It's a terrible job, but someone had to do it. :(
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I don't care what team you bat for,as long as you don't want me to play, I don't care. Again the problem is religion. That's what we need to dispose of, then in theory the world should be all fluffy and Loving.
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The trouble is, BG, that these b*ggers want you to join their club and put chocolate on their biscuits!
Ron.
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I was asked to fill in a survey on line.
One of the questions was re gender .... options were:-
male,
female,
'prefer to self describe'
& prefer not to say. ??? ??? ??? ??? FFS! There's only 2 to choose from!
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I was asked to fill in a survey on line.
One of the questions was re gender .... options were:-
male,
female,
'prefer to self describe'
& prefer not to say. ??? ??? ??? ??? FFS! There's only 2 to choose from!
Not any more! :)
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Of course stoning and burning people isn't right, but nor is it right that the vast majority of, dare I say it?, normal people should have the deviations and perversions of a very small global minority foisted upon then at every opportunity?
I couldn’t agree more, I’m fed up with all the queers, keep it to themselves FFS!
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I really couldn't give a monkeys what consenting adults do with each other behind their own closed curtains, but I do get annoyed by the constant preaching about supporting, promoting and publicising this that and the other, at every available opportunity.
"Hello, Im gay". Hello Im Albs and its non of your fickin business what I am or am not, and it doesn't matter anyway. Lets talk about something that does matter, or far cough and seek attention from someone who gives a toss". :)
You had a hard time in the past ? So did I but I got over it, now far cough and do the same. ;D
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The Sexual Offences Act was made law in July 1967. It decriminalised homosexual acts in private between two men, both of whom had to have attained the age of 21. Although the comments of Roy Jenkins, the Home Secretary at the time, captured the government’s attitude: ‘those who suffer from this disability carry a great weight of shame all their lives.’ Lord Arran, one of the original proposers of the bill, tried to minimise criticisms by making the qualification to what he called an ‘historic’ milestone: ‘I ask those [homosexuals] to show their thanks by comporting themselves quietly and with dignity … any form of ostentatious behaviour now or in the future or any form of public flaunting would be utterly distasteful …’
They didn't keep their part of the deal, did they?
Ron.
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Has anyone noticed that a disproportionately large amount of media airtime seems to be spent on these minority groups?
A large survey in the UK showed about 92% heterosexual. I suspect in the Western liberal world that would be about right.
Not making a comment about the rights and wrongs or even against articles, just seems to be a lot
One reason Varche is that this week is was the 50th anniversary of the Stonewall riots in New York against American police, who were so bigoted and reflected such a violent approach to the homsexual community, that something had to give. ;)
That is what is happening and I think, why not? :)
Why not, Lizzie? Here's why not: it has little to do with religion and a lot to do with being against nature.
What is nature's prime directive for ALL species? To create more of that species. This is obviously impossible with either two males or two females; hence homosexualuty is against nature. QED!
Ron.
That for many Ron is a very offensive remark, that in public situations could lead to you being charged with a Hate Crime that the Police would deal with.
That is because God has made us all different and, although I am very hetrosexual, I respect that DIVERSITY exists everywhere in nature. It is nothing to be scared of, but it never fails to amaze me of how many men in particular do. I have seen it within the family and around it, as well as professionally.
I advise the police in many matters, and I have met many people, especially the young, of the LGBT community who FEAR going out in public, who FEAR being themselves, and who FEAR meeting people like you Ron, which very often leads them to consider, if not eventually do, commit suicide. Do you really believe that is right for our society, or for the rest of the world, that is actually slowly coming around to the idea that we are ALL different in our own way and should be celebrated? I understand with narrow minded individuals like you Ron that is hard for you to understand the complexities behind how people who are true to themselves are, but throughout time the human race has been very much DIVERSE and very much in line with nature, as God intended.
LOVE should be the aim of society, and it will still grow with LGBT input, as often members of those groups do have children or adopt children that the "true to nature" as you would put it Ron, male and female parents have decided to discard.
I respect the view of others until they breach the laws of the land and, more importantly than that, gravely affect others and cause them so much distress that leads to police officers having to pick up the pieces before passing them on for the compassion and understanding of other professionals.
Perhaps you are happier Ron being in a "safe", strictly fully conforming, society of the past but just think of this: Should someone live a life that is a lie or be true to themselves and be that person that nature and God has made them be?
What we are witnessing in the media is a realignment of the society that has been nothing but conformity to one way of life, one way of being that everyone HAS to conform to even if you are a member of the LGBT community and spend a lot of their time in fear and afraid to show any signs of their true selves. I understand the point of view that it is now rather 'in your face', but that is what we have reaped for so much historical 'sweeping it under the carpet' approach. The LGBT community are now making a stand and are saying to everyone:
"we are here, we exist, treat us with respect and not publicly insult us, and even physically attack us, as we have as much of a right to exist as you do"
So this is 2019, not 1919 (after 'natural' society had just killed 9.5million men), nor is it 1946 after the same form of society had witnessed the killing of 60 million men, women and children.
So live and let live. As far as I am concerned it is far better for humans to love in any form than commit to the evil we have witnessed in the past, and still exists on the streets now! ;)
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PS......................................and all on the OOF please consider this, there are more than likely members of the LGBT community on here and your comments, which will be taken as read, could / will cause severe offence that is totally unnecessary on a CAR FORUM.
Please, please, deeply reconsider any comments, that may be in jest, and just think of the effect on, in many cases, very vulnerable people (not of the so called maturity that the rest of us have) that will take all to heart and may take life threatening actions. :'( :'( :'(
Yes, we live in a democracy, but that does not give anyone the right to severely rubbish somebody's very existence in LGBT matters. :)
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Why not, Lizzie? Here's why not: it has little to do with religion and a lot to do with being against nature.
What is nature's prime directive for ALL species? To create more of that species. This is obviously impossible with either two males or two females; hence homosexualuty is against nature. QED!
Ron.
Its probably worth noting that if it is "against nature" then no-one seems to have told:
The dolphins:
https://www.newsweek.com/gay-dolphins-australia-homosexual-behavior-645360 (https://www.newsweek.com/gay-dolphins-australia-homosexual-behavior-645360)
The penguins:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/09/sex-depravity-penguins-scott-antarctic (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/09/sex-depravity-penguins-scott-antarctic)
Or mallards:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3tKAfqxkFAIC&lpg=PT342&ots=VmNdnSLmQx&dq=mallard%20homosexuality%2019%25%20pairs&pg=PT343#v=onepage&q=mallard%20homosexuality%2019%25%20pairs&f=false (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3tKAfqxkFAIC&lpg=PT342&ots=VmNdnSLmQx&dq=mallard%20homosexuality%2019%25%20pairs&pg=PT343#v=onepage&q=mallard%20homosexuality%2019%25%20pairs&f=false)
Not to mention: Bison, polecats, bats, elephants, ibis, swans, pigeons, giraffes, most higher order primates, and yes, shockingly humans as well. ::)
Just because something offends your particular set of sensibilities, likely imbued by the sad impact of religion on our society, whether we realise it or not, doesn't make it against the natural order of things. In fact, if you stop and think about it for a while, there are some sound evolutionary reasons for homosexuality in social animals - which is why a lot of species practice it.
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So you think that there is a god, Lizzie? Can you see where you went wrong there?
What "sound evolutionary reasons", Jimmy?
Please clarify.
Ron.
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So you think that there is a god, Lizzie? Can you see where you went wrong there?
What "sound evolutionary reasons", Jimmy?
Please clarify.
Ron.
Believing in God takes faith and, in many cases life experiences. I had my doubts in my early years, but a number of key events, that I will not discuss on here, confirmed very strongly that God exists all right, and with great power. I cannot see "where you went wrong there" because I did not.
But if you do not believe, that is up to you and I am not going to even try to change a mind that is so obviously against the idea . ;)
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Why not, Lizzie? Here's why not: it has little to do with religion and a lot to do with being against nature.
What is nature's prime directive for ALL species? To create more of that species. This is obviously impossible with either two males or two females; hence homosexualuty is against nature. QED!
Ron.
Its probably worth noting that if it is "against nature" then no-one seems to have told:
The dolphins:
https://www.newsweek.com/gay-dolphins-australia-homosexual-behavior-645360 (https://www.newsweek.com/gay-dolphins-australia-homosexual-behavior-645360)
The penguins:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/09/sex-depravity-penguins-scott-antarctic (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/09/sex-depravity-penguins-scott-antarctic)
Or mallards:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3tKAfqxkFAIC&lpg=PT342&ots=VmNdnSLmQx&dq=mallard%20homosexuality%2019%25%20pairs&pg=PT343#v=onepage&q=mallard%20homosexuality%2019%25%20pairs&f=false (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3tKAfqxkFAIC&lpg=PT342&ots=VmNdnSLmQx&dq=mallard%20homosexuality%2019%25%20pairs&pg=PT343#v=onepage&q=mallard%20homosexuality%2019%25%20pairs&f=false)
Not to mention: Bison, polecats, bats, elephants, ibis, swans, pigeons, giraffes, most higher order primates, and yes, shockingly humans as well. ::)
Just because something offends your particular set of sensibilities, likely imbued by the sad impact of religion on our society, whether we realise it or not, doesn't make it against the natural order of things. In fact, if you stop and think about it for a while, there are some sound evolutionary reasons for homosexuality in social animals - which is why a lot of species practice it.
Well done Jimmy!! Good examples! 8) 8) :y
I thought I was alone on here in knowing how diverse God has made nature, that if someone is not blind, should be able to see all around them. But, in the species of Homo Sapien, socialisation has taken place and the many weaker minds have been 'educated' to only think in a set way to conform with the current society and not look at their inner spirit for true guidance. ;)
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We seem to have got off track by discussing if there is a god or why some folk are lbgt.
The point was the disproportionate air time. Seems nowadays that anything none mainstream gets a lot of airtime. Whatever happened to old fashioned reporting of the news to include from time to time minority subjects.
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I think i may be a Lesbian as I am very fond of females.
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I think i may be a Lesbian as I am very fond of females.
I'm very glad I retired from being chief lesbian shagger. I'm definitely not going anywhere near you. ;D
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Exactly, Mr. Varche. I am quite offended by seeing men (or women) kissing in popular drama series like Casualy, Holby city and even EastEnders.
Why is it wrong to offend the homosexuals, but not for normal people to be offended by these distasteful displays?
As you suggest, they are over-represented anyway and maybe soon become the norm!
Ron.
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Exactly, Mr. Varche. I am quite offended by seeing men (or women) kissing in popular drama series like Casualy, Holby city and even EastEnders.
Why is it wrong to offend the homosexuals, but not for normal people to be offended by these distasteful displays?
As you suggest, they are over-represented anyway and maybe soon become the norm!
Ron.
There you go again Ron!!!
Can you not understand that you by stating "Normal" implies that all other people who are not like you are subnormal by implication?!
That is why there is so much in the media now to show in this apparently enlightened age that being LGBT is being "normal" in their cases and there should be no discrimination against it. Society is simply re-balancing to reflect this, and if you do not like it, well, tough, get used to it!
If there were not people with your offensive attitude towards the LGBT communities (and others??!!) then there would be no need for all this media attention to it.
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We seem to have got off track by discussing if there is a god or why some folk are lbgt.
The point was the disproportionate air time. Seems nowadays that anything none mainstream gets a lot of airtime. Whatever happened to old fashioned reporting of the news to include from time to time minority subjects.
Yep Varche, can you can see why when the attitudes of Bigron exists! ::) ::)
Do you really think that anything none mainstream is getting more air time than Brexit, Trump visiting China, or the Conservative leadership contest, let alone murder and mayhem on our streets? Perhaps the rioting in Hong Kong is not "mainstream" news, nor the building tensions in the Iranian crisis ?
I think because you MAY be uncomfortable with some non-mainstream news you are exaggerating this in your mind ;)
If you watched all the UK news as I do you would still believe that big news is still going on and being reported on in much bulk and "non-mainstream" news forms usually, outside of this week of Stonewall, the vast majortity of all news, and glimpses of LGBT in drama on TV, forms a very small element of air time. ;)
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No I am not. It was a carefully considered observation. I jokingly say to Mrs Varche "lets watch the Brexit news" or " Boris news".
The media do concentrate on some items more than others. The Boris spat or whatever with his partner being a good example. Try sitting through an hour of Sky News to see what I mean
let alone murder and mayhem on our streets?
You have just illustrated perfectly my argument. How many murders or mayhem are there on the street as a percentage? i would suggest a miniscule percentage to be negligible. However the way the media focusses on it you would think it was the norm. Please note I am not trivialising the subject as one murder is a murder to much.
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No I am not. It was a carefully considered observation. I jokingly say to Mrs Varche "lets watch the Brexit news" or " Boris news".
The media do concentrate on some items more than others. The Boris spat or whatever with his partner being a good example. Try sitting through an hour of Sky News to see what I mean
let alone murder and mayhem on our streets?
You have just illustrated perfectly my argument. How many murders or mayhem are there on the street as a percentage? i would suggest a miniscule percentage to be negligible. However the way the media focusses on it you would think it was the norm. Please note I am not trivialising the subject as one murder is a murder to much.
Now I CAN well understand that point of view Varche. But, at the moment that IS a very news worthy item in the UK and how can it not be when a pregnant woman, aged just 27, is murdered in her home in Croydon and the 8 months old baby is delivered, but now in a critical condition in hospital? To add to that story yet another man has been stabbed to death in London - with all the knife and gun crime we are seeing repeatedly, the reasons for which are being hotly discussed, how can the TV producers not include those stories? If they did not, they would be accused, rightly, of not caring and not reflecting the news stories that are currently badly affecting whole communities in our fair land?
Or do the news stories that only involve non-working class people, like toffs and politicians, deserve air time?
I certainly would not want to make those decisions!! :o :o :D ;)
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I really don't care what 'botty bandits' get up to in private. If they choose to take each other up the 'wrong un' that is entirely their prerogative.
Bum boys should not be compared with lesbianism which is entirely natural and desirable when enjoyed by tall blonde full-breasted women between 20 and 35. :)
What some object to is the over-exposure of the 'gay way of life' making it look like most people are benders rather than just a few.
Is it really necessary to have a gay pride rally each year?
Men who like women and women who like men ( probably more than 90% of the population) seem to manage without a 'hetrosexual pride rally' each year.
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I really don't care what 'botty bandits' get up to in private. If they choose to take each other up the 'wrong un' that is entirely their prerogative.
Bum boys should not be compared with lesbianism which is entirely natural and desirable when enjoyed by tall blonde full-breasted women between 20 and 35. :)
What some object to is the over-exposure of the 'gay way of life' making it look like most people are benders rather than just a few.
Is it really necessary to have a gay pride rally each year?
Men who like women and women who like men ( probably more than 90% of the population) seem to manage without a 'hetrosexual pride rally' each year.
Exactly, Opti, I definitely don't want it shoving down my throat every five minutes. Although, I believe, some people love it. ;D
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I really don't care what 'botty bandits' get up to in private. If they choose to take each other up the 'wrong un' that is entirely their prerogative.
Bum boys should not be compared with lesbianism which is entirely natural and desirable when enjoyed by tall blonde full-breasted women between 20 and 35. :)
What some object to is the over-exposure of the 'gay way of life' making it look like most people are benders rather than just a few.
Is it really necessary to have a gay pride rally each year?
Men who like women and women who like men ( probably more than 90% of the population) seem to manage without a 'hetrosexual pride rally' each year.
Exactly, Opti, I definitely don't want it shoving down my throat every five minutes. Although, I believe, some people love it. ;D
Keep well away from the big black fella dressed as a cowboy. :) ;)
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Just one more thought on the subject: If Russia, or anyone else with less tolerant attitudes than we are supposed to have in this country, decides to come knocking at our borders, who would rush to defend our country. Not the ponces who parade in pink once a year, that's for sure.
Do these people have any other purpose in life, other than to denounce the rest of the population as bigots? Most (all) of the women with adams apples and a five o'clock shadow I see on the box, are unable to work because they would be ridiculed if they left the house. We pay for their 'gender reassignment' and then keep them in food and accommodation for the rest of their life.
I grew up in a certain era thinking a certain way. I won't be told to change my ways, because I too have a right to think any way I want to. A small group of people telling the rest of us how to think? That has consequences, as history proves.
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Just one more thought on the subject: If Russia, or anyone else with less tolerant attitudes than we are supposed to have in this country, decides to come knocking at our borders, who would rush to defend our country. Not the ponces who parade in pink once a year, that's for sure.
Do these people have any other purpose in life, other than to denounce the rest of the population as bigots? Most (all) of the women with adams apples and a five o'clock shadow I see on the box, are unable to work because they would be ridiculed if they left the house. We pay for their 'gender reassignment' and then keep them in food and accommodation for the rest of their life.
I grew up in a certain era thinking a certain way. I won't be told to change my ways, because I too have a right to think any way I want to. A small group of people telling the rest of us how to think? That has consequences, as history proves.
We are told to be tolerant, and generally are, of just about any minority you can think of.........except middle aged men who who dislike political correctness.
Apparently the world will be a better more enlightened place when dinosaurs like us are no more than dust in a pine box. :) :D
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In the early 1990's I shared a house in South London with some mates and one night went out for a drink with some of the fellas from work, one of whom was gay. Very gay! :) After the pub kicked us out we ended up back at my place to carry on drinking. :y
The next day one of my house mates was absolutely livid that I'd brought this gay man into our house, didn't give a shit that we were pissed and a bit rowdy though! ::) I can't imagine youngsters these days would bat an eyelid... :-\
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Just one more thought on the subject: If Russia, or anyone else with less tolerant attitudes than we are supposed to have in this country, decides to come knocking at our borders, who would rush to defend our country. Not the ponces who parade in pink once a year, that's for sure.
Do these people have any other purpose in life, other than to denounce the rest of the population as bigots? Most (all) of the women with adams apples and a five o'clock shadow I see on the box, are unable to work because they would be ridiculed if they left the house. We pay for their 'gender reassignment' and then keep them in food and accommodation for the rest of their life.
I grew up in a certain era thinking a certain way. I won't be told to change my ways, because I too have a right to think any way I want to. A small group of people telling the rest of us how to think? That has consequences, as history proves.
Oh dear Steve, generalising again! :D :D ;)
So the strong never fight to defend the weak? Only those that conform to a certain standard should be protected? So those with any impediment, or of the wrong appearance, colour, beliefs, coming from a certain city, etc, etc..............................??
Heaven help us all then if another Hitler came about, and within Great Britain. Eventually such a society would come for you, and me; why? Because we speak up and protest as required in a currently, relatively, free society!! Just watch what happens with those protesting in Hong Kong and having the gaul to challenge the Chinese leadership!
On the second point I have met post op transgendered individuals who work, AND they paid themselves for the big operation as it guaranteed they would not have to wait years to finally be as complete as they would ever be if reliant on the NHS.
Feel some sympathy for them who have always gone through a hell that you or I can only imagine. "Being ridiculed" for them becomes a choice of "putting up" with the ignorance, cruelty and plain nastiness of people and making the best of their lot, or just committing suicide. It is a choice as simple as that! At least some of those, thank God, come out the other side of their "challenge of life" and do the best in their lives, many becoming people who achieve in professional roles.
Painting a negative picture of them achieves nothing but pain for them, and makes the one doing it appear very ignorant, which I know you are not Steve!! ::) ::) ;)
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In the early 1990's I shared a house in South London with some mates and one night went out for a drink with some of the fellas from work, one of whom was gay. Very gay! :) After the pub kicked us out we ended up back at my place to carry on drinking. :y
The next day one of my house mates was absolutely livid that I'd brought this gay man into our house, didn't give a shit that we were pissed and a bit rowdy though! ::) I can't imagine youngsters these days would bat an eyelid... :-\
Absolutely right Sir Tigger, our society is slowly changing and with us dinosaurs on here disappearing, the young will take a different approach as they would have grown up being told about the real world, not the one we were (not) taught in the 1950s/ 60's, or earlier for some!! They will understand more, if not completely, of being understanding and tolerant of people that will not harm us, as they would not have been socialized as we were. Women, don't I know, understand all about the socialization that men, and girls, went through; men led; men made the rules; men decided what was right or wrong; men decided everything, including going to war and killing millions; men NEVER were gay and anyone who was outside the then 'normal' should be put into jail or shot!! Women, on the other hand, MUST be kept indoors to keep the home as their little minds cannot cope with anything more complicated!!
That is the World gradually we all, women as much as men, are moving away from and the amount of news items and dramas that feature non-mainstream items will be rare and far between because everyone will recognise that diversity happens in all ways and is everyday stuff. The young are now taking us forward, hopefully, eventually, in all countries throughout the world, away from the distressing, murderous, ignorant attitudes that have historically plagued mankind and cost so dear. :'( :'(
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Your viewpoint is completely valid, although I personally wouldnt agree with some of it. The thing I find really terrifying though, is that anyone who voices a viewpoint very different from yours is in danger of being prosecuted for a hate crime.
This is Stalinist thought control at its worst, and should be fought tooth and nail by everyone who believes in the right to freedom of thought, speech and belief.
We really are sleepwalking into an Orwellian society and many people (particularly the young) have been educated (brainwashed) into thinking of it as normal and good
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Your viewpoint is completely valid, although I personally wouldnt agree with some of it. The thing I find really terrifying though, is that anyone who voices a viewpoint very different from yours is in danger of being prosecuted for a hate crime.
This is Stalinist thought control at its worst, and should be fought tooth and nail by everyone who believes in the right to freedom of thought, speech and belief.
We really are sleepwalking into an Orwellian society and many people (particularly the young) have been educated (brainwashed) into thinking of it as normal and good
Thanks Migv6, I appreciate that and I must make it clear that I do not expect everyone to agree with everything I have said as that is life; people do not necessarily agree on everything all the time! That is right and proper.
As for comments being a Hate Crime, it is only when those comments are deliberately or accidentally hurtful to that particular community and are made in public. An open public online forum can so easily transmit those feelings to very vulnerable people that the police, and on occasions, I have to deal with. Those comments not only can break the law but incite violence and lead to life threatening situations, which once more I can get involved in as a police advisor.
The right to democracy and free speech is paramount to our society, but so is the right, if within the laws of Great Britain, for people to live their lives with equal freedom, and not be fearful of insulting, or threatening, behaviour, regardless of what category of community they are part of. Therefore we ALL must be respectful and considerate in the way we act in public, or as a group in private, to not infringe THEIR rights within the law. Prosecution of the individual for Hate Crime only comes about when documented, recorded, evidence of such offences is public and crosses a line of "free speech" into offensive behaviour that causes others severe distress, incites violence in others, and renders the offended party into a state of shock or fear or both. There can be no excuses for shouting out derogatory or offensive beliefs in public, and most rational, law abiding, individuals in our society understand that, keeping whatever feelings they have, private.
What is considered as being "normal" or "sub-normal" is actually a feature of authoritarian societies and played on by it's leaders. We all should have nothing to fear in the truth being out there, which is the very thing Stalinist ideology does not permit within the general populous. Hitler made a point of highlighting how sub-normal, or even, sub-human the Jewish community was. That can never be justified.
I hope that clarifies the points I make. :)
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It is just as acceptable for me to dislike them as it is for others to love them - that is diversity too, and not "hate crime"!
Ron.
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It is just as acceptable for me to dislike them as it is for others to love them - that is diversity too, and not "hate crime"!
Ron.
As long as you keep yours views private Ron, and do not cross the line in public, no problem!
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You obviously missed my last sentence. We're not the Hitlers.
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You obviously missed my last sentence. We're not the Hitlers.
I am afraid you, and I, are if we incite hatred towards a minority of people and make them feel unwelcome in our society. ;)
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I really don't give a flying fùck what you, or people like you, have to say on the matter. Me, and 99% of the people I wish to associate with, will never accept this particular group of people. I would never deliberately harm anyone because of their sexuality or religious beliefs, but neither would I rush to defend one being attacked.
You reap what you sow.
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It is just as acceptable for me to dislike them as it is for others to love them - that is diversity too, and not "hate crime"!
Ron.
As long as you keep yours views private Ron, and do not cross the line in public, no problem!
That is Stalinism in a sentence. You only need to interchange "community" for any other word which fits at the time (party/ nation/society etc. etc) and you have total control of people with no option for disagreement from the permitted opinions, and punishment for sharing your thoughts, beliefs, opinions with other people.
And of course its all ok because its for the greater good. Absolutely terrifying.
In a free society (which we once were) if people say things you disagree with you don't prosecute them. You put your different opinion to them and discuss the matter.
Inciting hatred is of course wrong, but most of what is classed as incitement to hatred these days isn't hatred at all. Its refusal to accept and agree with the new version of right and wrong.
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Yes Lizzie, you said it - our society, not theirs!
Ron.
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Yes Albs; a very chilling thought. And the indoctrination starts in schools.....
Ron.
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Yes Albs; a very chilling thought. And the indoctrination starts in schools.....
Ron.
It does indeed Ron, and now a so called Conservative Govt. is making it illegal for parents of children to have any say in the matter.
When the state takes control of the children away from the parents, then we are undoubtedly more than half way down the road to totalitarianism.
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My lad went through this at secondary school. I asked him what he thought about this particular 'lesson' which was delivered once a week. He told me that him and those sitting close to him did exactly the same as they did in RE........played noughts and crosses. ;D
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Speaking of RE, Albs, my teacher for that subject (also our Latin teacher on punishment duty!) did a great job of explaining how religion came about and it had nothing to do with an Almighty Being: much more about control before a police force came about - and, of course, for revenue!
Ron.
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Speaking of RE, Albs, my teacher for that subject (also our Latin teacher on punishment duty!) did a great job of explaining how religion came about and it had nothing to do with an Almighty Being: much more about control before a police force came about - and, of course, for revenue!
Ron.
This is historical fact, and has been known by academics for centuries. But, just like today's sexual deviants, the church made it very difficult to contradict them. Nowadays you only get fined for telling the truth, you got burned at the stake back then.
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I think I should add, from a personal point of view, that I have nothing against gay people going about their day in complete peace and quiet. But I absolutely detest these 'freak shows' that parade through our cities on what seems like a daily basis.
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Thank you, STEMO; that was exactly my point in my earlier post - ‘I ask those [homosexuals] to show their thanks by comporting themselves quietly and with dignity … any form of ostentatious behaviour now or in the future or any form of public flaunting would be utterly distasteful …’
If they had kept their part of the bargain, we would not need to be having this debate.
Ron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u7IJ_ek7g4
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Why not, Lizzie? Here's why not: it has little to do with religion and a lot to do with being against nature.
What is nature's prime directive for ALL species? To create more of that species. This is obviously impossible with either two males or two females; hence homosexualuty is against nature. QED!
Ron.
Its probably worth noting that if it is "against nature" then no-one seems to have told:
The dolphins:
https://www.newsweek.com/gay-dolphins-australia-homosexual-behavior-645360 (https://www.newsweek.com/gay-dolphins-australia-homosexual-behavior-645360)
The penguins:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/09/sex-depravity-penguins-scott-antarctic (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/09/sex-depravity-penguins-scott-antarctic)
Or mallards:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3tKAfqxkFAIC&lpg=PT342&ots=VmNdnSLmQx&dq=mallard%20homosexuality%2019%25%20pairs&pg=PT343#v=onepage&q=mallard%20homosexuality%2019%25%20pairs&f=false (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3tKAfqxkFAIC&lpg=PT342&ots=VmNdnSLmQx&dq=mallard%20homosexuality%2019%25%20pairs&pg=PT343#v=onepage&q=mallard%20homosexuality%2019%25%20pairs&f=false)
Not to mention: Bison, polecats, bats, elephants, ibis, swans, pigeons, giraffes, most higher order primates, and yes, shockingly humans as well. ::)
Just because something offends your particular set of sensibilities, likely imbued by the sad impact of religion on our society, whether we realise it or not, doesn't make it against the natural order of things. In fact, if you stop and think about it for a while, there are some sound evolutionary reasons for homosexuality in social animals - which is why a lot of species practice it.
Hormonal imbalance due to environmental disruption.
Perhaps.
To clarify the logic... When our first Tibetan Terrorist bitch was speyed, it was possibly too soon after her first season. As a result she spent a year trying to hump everyone she met. Did that make her gay or simply responding to her hormones being knocked about?
It's not unnatural for social groups of animals to display outward affection, but to try to apply our measure of what that means to wildlife is ludicrous.
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Yes Lizzie, you said it - our society, not theirs!
Ron.
Oh dear Ron, so your society is non inclusive :o :o :o
You belong to a different era. No doubt you do not accept people of colour being amongst us, or if you do it is with great reluctance.
I can say no more on this subject to you as it is in danger of really crossing the line of what is acceptable in this age.
I have explained the situation clearly, but still you are being offensive. That is really sad! :( :( :(
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Yes Lizzie, you said it - our society, not theirs!
Ron.
Oh dear Ron, so your society is non inclusive :o :o :o
You belong to a different era. No doubt you do not accept people of colour being amongst us, or if you do it is with great reluctance.
I can say no more on this subject to you as it is in danger of really crossing the line of what is acceptable in this age.
I have explained the situation clearly, but still you are being offensive. That is really sad! :( :( :(
Ron is not being offensive, he is being offended, which makes him a very modern man.
And you have no right to assume that he is racist. Bad form.
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We normal, and I’ll say it again, normal folk just don’t want it shoved in our faces and be told to get used to it or face prosecution, just leave us alone, and carry on with the life they have chosen but don’t expect everybody to automatically support and accept it. I would wager none of us on here who have commented would go out of their way to hurt or ridicule or upset any of these people but it is enraging when as the OP has said it’s seemingly overwhelming the natural order of things.
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We normal, and I’ll say it again, normal folk just don’t want it shoved in our faces and be told to get used to it or face prosecution, just leave us alone, and carry on with the life they have chosen but don’t expect everybody to automatically support and accept it. I would wager none of us on here who have commented would go out of their way to hurt or ridicule or upset any of these people but it is enraging when as the OP has said it’s seemingly overwhelming the natural order of things.
Seems about right, it's the modern snowflake, I've been affected, wooo is me, look at me, generation, The biggest problem now days is the majority is the minority. We don't shout as loud as they do, and when we do were called, bigiots, racist, or homophobic. So the majority sit down and be quite. I know it's different but look at the brexit vote, majority want out and the minority keep shouting louder.... Rant over.
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We normal, and I’ll say it again, normal folk just don’t want it shoved in our faces and be told to get used to it or face prosecution, just leave us alone, and carry on with the life they have chosen but don’t expect everybody to automatically support and accept it. I would wager none of us on here who have commented would go out of their way to hurt or ridicule or upset any of these people but it is enraging when as the OP has said it’s seemingly overwhelming the natural order of things.
Seems about right, it's the modern snowflake, I've been affected, wooo is me, look at me, generation, The biggest problem now days is the majority is the minority. We don't shout as loud as they do, and when we do were called, bigiots, racist, or homophobic. So the majority sit down and be quite. I know it's different but look at the brexit vote, majority want out and the minority keep shouting louder.... Rant over.
The silent majority is nothing new, BG. They get offended by the onslaught but just get on with their lives......as 'normal' people do.
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Thanks again, STEMO. It is, I admit, unsual for Lizzie to insult me, let alone make unjustified assumptions, but I can live with that.
Raeturbo, you are quite correct in your assumption that I would never knowingly harm one of those poor, broken creatures: but PLEASE keep your distasteful activities to yourselves.
Nobody has touched on the disease implications of their practices yet.....
Ron.
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We normal, and I’ll say it again, normal folk just don’t want it shoved in our faces and be told to get used to it or face prosecution, just leave us alone, and carry on with the life they have chosen but don’t expect everybody to automatically support and accept it. I would wager none of us on here who have commented would go out of their way to hurt or ridicule or upset any of these people but it is enraging when as the OP has said it’s seemingly overwhelming the natural order of things.
That is exactly what those of the LGBT communities say! All they want is to be able to live life to the full like the rest of us, but you can see by the many comments on here that they will not be allowed to, yet, and that is why there is the current backlash by them, and "disproportionate media attention. They are constantly bombarded with hate and unwelcome comment, of the type seen on this car forum, which indicates what they go through every day in many cases.
You (generalising) think you are tired of it? Just try and live their lives with all the risks and hassle when they try and just be who they are (a phrase I hear constantly) and risk death because of it. A caring, sharing society we are not, and until we all can be classed as that (probably not in my lifetime) you will continue to see media attention about it, and the consequences of not accepting them as any other human being; weak, frail, subject to temptation, just like the rest of us mere mortals!!
What are you afraid of in these "sexcual and gender matters" when there is so much tension in our World that currently lacks so much love? You just are feeling uncomfortable about the media discussing real world human issues of this type which you happen to disagree with. Is there not far more to be fearful about than that? I certainly have more to worry about so. Live and let live and just let it be. ;)
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Thanks again, STEMO. It is, I admit, unsual for Lizzie to insult me, let alone make unjustified assumptions, but I can live with that.
Raeturbo, you are quite correct in your assumption that I would never knowingly harm one of those poor, broken creatures: but PLEASE keep your distasteful activities to yourselves.
Nobody has touched on the disease implications of their practices yet.....
Ron.
No greater risk or variety of disease than those that the population as a whole is potentially exposed to in the course of a healthy heterosexual encounter, I would wager...
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AIDS, dear Doctor?
Lizzie, you are like a poor marksman - you have completely missed the point!
Ron.
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We normal, and I’ll say it again, normal folk just don’t want it shoved in our faces and be told to get used to it or face prosecution, just leave us alone, and carry on with the life they have chosen but don’t expect everybody to automatically support and accept it. I would wager none of us on here who have commented would go out of their way to hurt or ridicule or upset any of these people but it is enraging when as the OP has said it’s seemingly overwhelming the natural order of things.
Seems about right, it's the modern snowflake, I've been affected, wooo is me, look at me, generation, The biggest problem now days is the majority is the minority. We don't shout as loud as they do, and when we do were called, bigiots, racist, or homophobic. So the majority sit down and be quite. I know it's different but look at the brexit vote, majority want out and the minority keep shouting louder.... Rant over.
From what I hear on here many are snowflakes, who are afraid somehow of people being different, afraid of the minority, and so upset it is being talked about!
Once more, I can say no more as I have said my piece and we will agree to disagree, whilst our generation die off and it will all matter a jot to the new enlightened generations.
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AIDS, dear Doctor?
Lizzie, you are like a poor marksman - you have completely missed the point!
Ron.
Oh my God, now you are going to blame these communities for disease!!!
That certainly deserves no further comment as millions die continually from the illnesses we ALL get from living as we do!
He who is without sin cast the first stone, eh? ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)
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I did! 8)
Ron.
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I did! 8)
Ron.
;D ;D ;D ;D
Sorry Ron, but you know one day yet to come people, if they haven't blown up the world, may read this thread and just laugh at everything ALL of us have said, and comment something like how could humans of the past have wasted so much of their time commenting in these weird languages about something we take for granted now ;D ;D ;D ;)
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OR, the world will obey Nature's prime directive?
Ron.
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All gay men should be prescribed ten pints of Guinness followed by a red hot vindaloo. That would show them what their arse was really for. :y
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OR, the world will obey Nature's prime directive?
Ron.
What, to kill each other as man is so naturally war like?
Now that is really very possible;D ;D ;)
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All gay men should be prescribed ten pints of Guinness followed by a red hot vindaloo. That would show them what their arse was really for. :y
Now that is cruel! :o :o ;D ;D ;)
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If you don’t make war then you can’t make peace ::)
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How worrying that I've has a day of agreeing with STEMO!
Apoart from your mis-using the term "gay" when you mean homosexual, of course - too many syllables for the poor dears?
Ron.
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Has anyone noticed that a disproportionately large amount of media airtime seems to be spent on these minority groups?
A large survey in the UK showed about 92% heterosexual. I suspect in the Western liberal world that would be about right.
Not making a comment about the rights and wrongs or even against articles, just seems to be a lot
According to some of my gay mates and acquaintances, that figure is high. Possibly because they naturally tend to be in gay circles of friends maybe, but also there is still a stigma attached to publically admitting you're gay.
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How worrying that I've has a day of agreeing with STEMO!
Apoart from your mis-using the term "gay" when you mean homosexual, of course - too many syllables for the poor dears?
Ron.
The word gay used to mean happy, but the word has been hijacked by homosexuals.
I tend to use the term 'bender' or 'shirt lifter'......which is PCish.... ::)
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Now I have no issues whatsoever with gay/straight/coloured/white/vege/meateaters whatever. In fact I have many friends who fall in to all sorts of descriptions of sexuality, ethnicity, gender, religion and social beliefs. The diversity is great, and beneficial.
I do have an issue with anybody, no matter their background who think the world somehow owes them. I also have an issue with how some smaller groups feel their voice is somehow more important.
As a society, we need to be watchful of positive discrimination, as that won't end well. The rise in the popularity of far wing groups around the Western world shows its a very real issue. Remember, Hilter was elected, and the superior race was part of that.
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Now I have no issues whatsoever with gay/straight/coloured/white/vege/meateaters whatever. In fact I have many friends who fall in to all sorts of descriptions of sexuality, ethnicity, gender, religion and social beliefs. The diversity is great, and beneficial.
I do have an issue with anybody, no matter their background who think the world somehow owes them. I also have an issue with how some smaller groups feel their voice is somehow more important.
As a society, we need to be watchful of positive discrimination, as that won't end well. The rise in the popularity of far wing groups around the Western world shows its a very real issue. Remember, Hilter was elected, and the superior race was part of that.
Women only shortlists which Tony Blair was rather too fond of........ :-\
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Now I have no issues whatsoever with gay/straight/coloured/white/vege/meateaters whatever. In fact I have many friends who fall in to all sorts of descriptions of sexuality, ethnicity, gender, religion and social beliefs. The diversity is great, and beneficial.
I do have an issue with anybody, no matter their background who think the world somehow owes them. I also have an issue with how some smaller groups feel their voice is somehow more important.
As a society, we need to be watchful of positive discrimination, as that won't end well. The rise in the popularity of far wing groups around the Western world shows its a very real issue. Remember, Hilter was elected, and the superior race was part of that.
Then the LGBT communities have everything to fear, as Hitler played on the 'wishes' of the majority manipulating how they thought about minority groups and those considered an enemy of the state. ::) ::) ;)
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How worrying that I've has a day of agreeing with STEMO!
Apoart from your mis-using the term "gay" when you mean homosexual, of course - too many syllables for the poor dears?
Ron.
The word gay used to mean happy, but the word has been hijacked by homosexuals.
I tend to use the term 'bender' or 'shirt lifter'......which is PCish.... ::)
An interesting term that I heard recently to describe homosexual bars/pubs - garden centres. as in "uphill gardeners"!
How a nation feels about things is evidenced by the number or words for a particular item, so it is educational to look up all of the pejorative terms for homosexuals. ;D
Ron.
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We normal, and I’ll say it again, normal folk just don’t want it shoved in our faces and be told to get used to it or face prosecution, just leave us alone, and carry on with the life they have chosen but don’t expect everybody to automatically support and accept it. I would wager none of us on here who have commented would go out of their way to hurt or ridicule or upset any of these people but it is enraging when as the OP has said it’s seemingly overwhelming the natural order of things.
That is exactly what those of the LGBT communities say! All they want is to be able to live life to the full like the rest of us, but you can see by the many comments on here that they will not be allowed to, yet, and that is why there is the current backlash by them, and "disproportionate media attention. They are constantly bombarded with hate and unwelcome comment, of the type seen on this car forum, which indicates what they go through every day in many cases.
You (generalising) think you are tired of it? Just try and live their lives with all the risks and hassle when they try and just be who they are (a phrase I hear constantly) and risk death because of it. A caring, sharing society we are not, and until we all can be classed as that (probably not in my lifetime) you will continue to see media attention about it, and the consequences of not accepting them as any other human being; weak, frail, subject to temptation, just like the rest of us mere mortals!!
What are you afraid of in these "sexcual and gender matters" when there is so much tension in our World that currently lacks so much love? You just are feeling uncomfortable about the media discussing real world human issues of this type which you happen to disagree with. Is there not far more to be fearful about than that? I certainly have more to worry about so. Live and let live and just let it be. ;)
I am tired of it! I have my own life to live I don’t want to know about theirs. I am not saying they can’t live. I don’t want to try that type of life, I don’t bombard them with mail, I do disagree with that life but I’m not proactively trying to stop it, I have enough trouble looking after my own family. I am not afraid of that type of sexuality as I will never experience it, I have plenty to worry about too, I Will not change. Why should I? As I said I don’t want to know.
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AIDS, dear Doctor?
Lizzie, you are like a poor marksman - you have completely missed the point!
Ron.
Ron, have a read...
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/hiv-and-aids/causes/
Sodomy is but one of several ways it is spread, and please note a couple of points:
1. It's actually quite difficult to catch, especially with precautions.
2. It isn't simply a sexual disease.
;)