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05omegav6

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Brake upgrades...
« on: 09 December 2013, 02:57:04 »

I might have found a cost effective way to upgrade the brakes... compared to my original thoughts.

Each time the front brakes are upgraded, the rears are effectively upgraded for free
Stage 1:
Monaro VXR front calipers with 330x28 discs.
Omega front calipers to the rear.

Stage 2:
Monaro AP calipers with 362x32 discs.
Monaro VXR front calipers with 330x28 discs to the rear.

This halves the cost, as both the front and rear mounting bells for the 330x28 discs can be produced simultaneously, and it only requires two pairs of discs rather than four pairs.

The only other adjustment needed is modification to the rear brake pipes due to the switch from fixed calipers to sliding.
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Re: Brake upgrades...
« Reply #1 on: 09 December 2013, 11:10:58 »

Do you have a secret desire to put yourself through the windscreen/crush your ribs witha seatbelt?
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Re: Brake upgrades...
« Reply #2 on: 09 December 2013, 11:38:18 »

Do you have a secret desire to put yourself through the windscreen/crush your ribs witha seatbelt?
This is partly in connection with the mv8 project. Obviously upgrading the brakes is a no brainer. Esta. (Oh sigh...)
And partly in relation to the fact that the oe brakes are shit.
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Re: Brake upgrades...
« Reply #3 on: 09 December 2013, 11:47:13 »

Do you have a secret desire to put yourself through the windscreen/crush your ribs witha seatbelt?
This is partly in connection with the mv8 project. Obviously upgrading the brakes is a no brainer. Esta. (Oh sigh...)
And partly in relation to the fact that the oe brakes are shit.
I see. It should have been added to the mv8 thread then. Got any pictures for me to look at? Doesn't have to be about cars, anything I can colour in will do. ;D
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chrisgixer

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« Reply #4 on: 09 December 2013, 11:54:15 »

Do you have a secret desire to put yourself through the windscreen/crush your ribs witha seatbelt?
This is partly in connection with the mv8 project. Obviously upgrading the brakes is a no brainer. Esta. (Oh sigh...)
And partly in relation to the fact that the oe brakes are shit.
I see. It should have been added to the mv8 thread then. Got any pictures for me to look at? Doesn't have to be about cars, anything I can colour in will do. ;D
No its Als thread and for his car, ya nosey parker. He's kindly posted for others, including me, to look at.

Now go play with your crayons, ya nump! ;D
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Re: Brake upgrades...
« Reply #5 on: 09 December 2013, 12:14:03 »

I might have found a cost effective way to upgrade the brakes... compared to my original thoughts.

Each time the front brakes are upgraded, the rears are effectively upgraded for free
Stage 1:
Monaro VXR front calipers with 330x28 discs.
Omega front calipers to the rear.

Stage 2:
Monaro AP calipers with 362x32 discs.
Monaro VXR front calipers with 330x28 discs to the rear.

This halves the cost, as both the front and rear mounting bells for the 330x28 discs can be produced simultaneously, and it only requires two pairs of discs rather than four pairs.

The only other adjustment needed is modification to the rear brake pipes due to the switch from fixed calipers to sliding.

Have you been able to confirm the front callipers fit on the rear Al? We know the bolt pattern is the same, but is the rear disk offset the same as the front?
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05omegav6

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Re: Brake upgrades...
« Reply #6 on: 09 December 2013, 12:19:23 »

Currently a speculative hunch...

Need to get the 330 discs sorted first ::)
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05omegav6

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Re: Brake upgrades...
« Reply #7 on: 09 December 2013, 12:23:11 »

Do you have a secret desire to put yourself through the windscreen/crush your ribs witha seatbelt?
This is partly in connection with the mv8 project. Obviously upgrading the brakes is a no brainer. Esta. (Oh sigh...)
And partly in relation to the fact that the oe brakes are shit.
I see. It should have been added to the mv8 thread then. Got any pictures for me to look at? Doesn't have to be about cars, anything I can colour in will do. ;D
As requested :y over in Gen Dis...
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Re: Brake upgrades...
« Reply #8 on: 09 December 2013, 17:02:17 »

And partly in relation to the fact that the oe brakes are shit.
Bit unfair, they are pretty good for "normal" road use, even if pressing on. Good for about 10-12 80mph-0mph stops in quick succession, but as speeds go above that, they fade badly after 3-4 big stops in quick succession.

So shit, no. But unsuitable for sustained battering, or track.


(for the benefit of other OOFers reading this thread, rather than Mr Gixer, who we know is very hard on brakes)
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Re: Brake upgrades...
« Reply #9 on: 09 December 2013, 17:06:41 »

And partly in relation to the fact that the oe brakes are shit.
Bit unfair, they are pretty good for "normal" road use, even if pressing on. Good for about 10-12 80mph-0mph stops in quick succession, but as speeds go above that, they fade badly after 3-4 big stops in quick succession.

So shit, no. But unsuitable for sustained battering, or track.


(for the benefit of other OOFers reading this thread, rather than Mr Gixer, who we know is very hard on brakes)


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Re: Brake upgrades...
« Reply #10 on: 09 December 2013, 17:07:13 »

Prepare to hear something stunning, something which may not have be considered here ever before, in the history of chav-me Omega owners  :o

Read the road and brake/ease off throttle earlier  ::)

There is an old saying, a bad workman always blames his tools  ::)  ;D ;D
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Re: Brake upgrades...
« Reply #11 on: 09 December 2013, 17:13:56 »

Prepare to hear something stunning, something which may not have be considered here ever before, in the history of chav-me Omega owners  :o

Read the road and brake/ease off throttle earlier  ::)

There is an old saying, a bad workman always blames his tools  ::)  ;D ;D
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Some people get frustrated with other drivers who really should either do the speed limit, or be banned for causing disruption  <<< yeah, I fit in this one

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Re: Brake upgrades...
« Reply #12 on: 09 December 2013, 17:41:15 »

Not blaming anything for anything, simply looking for summat a bit more suited to the driving that I do, ie lots of dual carriageway roundabouts and proper fun twisties ::)

And not wanting to sit on the fence, but I fit squarely into all three of TBs categories :-X
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Re: Brake upgrades...
« Reply #13 on: 09 December 2013, 18:13:22 »

Compare disc size with almost any other car, and the discs are disproportionately small. I guess budget comes into it, and ten ton plus stops without fade is probably in industry standard.

But add in how easy they warp(ebc in this case) , rust on the inner edge(ebc don't), fade with anything less than 75% pad material, lack bite, feel and servo asdistance I'm sorry, but they're shit and that's that.

Fit for a trip to the shops and back without spilling anything. But that's as complimentary as I can be frankly.

ANY other car has better bite (more servo assistance) than the omega. Not a mark on the power of the brakes capability fair enough but, Add in a bit of pad ware, some rusty discs after a lay up, a hire car while on holiday, and the poxy things can catch you out first time you stop when back in an omega.

These, ladies and gents, over the life or a set of discs and pads are.... SHIT BRAKES.
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Re: Brake upgrades...
« Reply #14 on: 09 December 2013, 20:14:56 »

Compare disc size with almost any other car, and the discs are disproportionately small. I guess budget comes into it, and ten ton plus stops without fade is probably in industry standard.

But add in how easy they warp(ebc in this case) , rust on the inner edge(ebc don't), fade with anything less than 75% pad material, lack bite, feel and servo asdistance I'm sorry, but they're shit and that's that.

Fit for a trip to the shops and back without spilling anything. But that's as complimentary as I can be frankly.


ANY other car has better bite (more servo assistance) than the omega. Not a mark on the power of the brakes capability fair enough but, Add in a bit of pad ware, some rusty discs after a lay up, a hire car while on holiday, and the poxy things can catch you out first time you stop when back in an omega.

These, ladies and gents, over the life or a set of discs and pads are.... SHIT BRAKES.

My Signums front discs are 314mm istr,they look huge through the wheels compared to my old Mig.
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