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Title: Deep sockets
Post by: Kieran on 09 November 2018, 08:44:08
Why is it that they skip 18mm deep sockets in the tool set. I have three different sets and they have 17mm-19mm but no 18mm. Trying to change the shocks on my wife's Medical and need an 18mm deep socket. Have to drive all the way out to Machine mart to get one.
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: Kieran on 09 November 2018, 08:45:13
Medical ha ha. Should be Meriva. Damn predictive text.
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 10 November 2018, 10:43:56
thought to myself "really?" and check - yes, you're right! I am in need of one, they come in for pinch bolts on Omegas as I recall.
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: Bigron on 10 November 2018, 11:11:46
I went to have a look at my set, too....17mm, then 19mm! There must be a secret cave somewhere that all of the 18mm sockets hide?

Ron.
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: TheBoy on 10 November 2018, 17:02:52
Cheaper sets rarely have 18mm, be it socket sets or spanners etc, as its a less common size.
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: Tick Tock on 10 November 2018, 20:14:28
Talking of deep sockets, I assume one is needed for the handbrake cable, but does anyone know what size it is?
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: Andy B on 10 November 2018, 20:14:45
.... sets rarely have 18mm, be it socket sets or spanners etc, as its a less common size.

Which is probably why Merc decided to use an 18mm headed bolt for my brake calipers .... just to bl**dy awkward . >:(

They also used a 7mm & a 9mm Allen key for the sliding pins on the calipers too .... WTF has a 9mm Allen key?  ???
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: Andy B on 10 November 2018, 20:15:16
Talking of deep sockets, I assume one is needed for the handbrake cable, but does anyone know what size it is?

IIRC it's 13mm  ..... M8 thread
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 November 2018, 22:09:19
.... sets rarely have 18mm, be it socket sets or spanners etc, as its a less common size.

Which is probably why Merc decided to use an 18mm headed bolt for my brake calipers .... just to bl**dy awkward . >:(

They also used a 7mm & a 9mm Allen key for the sliding pins on the calipers too .... WTF has a 9mm Allen key?  ???
::)
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: zirk on 11 November 2018, 02:32:42
Its a Metric problem -

M10 Bolts or Nut is 17mm
M12 Bolts or Nut is 19mm

M11 Threaded Bolts or Nuts do exist, which in theory is 18mm, but your really struggle to find them.
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: Andy B on 11 November 2018, 09:04:50
Its a Metric problem -

M10 Bolts or Nut is 17mm
M12 Bolts or Nut is 19mm

M11 Threaded Bolts or Nuts do exist, which in theory is 18mm, but your really struggle to find them.

But Koreans will often have 12mm headed M8 & 16mm headed M10
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: TheBoy on 11 November 2018, 10:17:54
They also used a 7mm & a 9mm Allen key for the sliding pins on the calipers too .... WTF has a 9mm Allen key?  ???
Very common on some brands of modern calipers used across multiple marques.  I know a lot of PAG cars use them, including Ford, making them very popular.

Having the Jag, I've had to buy these again (having lost my old ones in the garage incident)...  ...one of those tools you take no notice of until you need it right here, right now ;D
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: Andy B on 11 November 2018, 10:50:07
  in the garage incident)...  ...

 .... there was a garage incident ...  ::)
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: Webby the Bear on 11 November 2018, 11:33:18
BMW are idiots sometimes using 7mm Allen slides and sometimes 8mm 😬😬😬😬😬😬

As for deep sockets Sealey do a comprehensive impact set. Only addition being a 36mm required for some hub nuts.
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: Webby the Bear on 11 November 2018, 11:36:06
https://www.tooled-up.com/sealey-16-piece-1-2-drive-deep-hexagon-walldrive-impact-socket-set-metric/prod/179065/?varId=179065&Referrer=googleproductsearch&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI77SWvp_M3gIV0sqyCh3QswxqEAQYAiABEgJ6MfD_BwE
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: dave the builder on 11 November 2018, 12:21:36
https://www.tooled-up.com/sealey-16-piece-1-2-drive-deep-hexagon-walldrive-impact-socket-set-metric/prod/179065/?varId=179065&Referrer=googleproductsearch&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI77SWvp_M3gIV0sqyCh3QswxqEAQYAiABEgJ6MfD_BwE

Wow !
even includes the 11mm so you can windy-gun the bleed nipples on brakes  :D ;D

only 1/2 inch drive though , so not strong enough for tyre fitters to windy gun wheel nuts up to the required 1.000.000 N/m  :(

I just buy single sockets now to replace the ones i've abused to failure  ;D
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: Webby the Bear on 11 November 2018, 13:33:58
I find they’re able to comfortably do wheel bolts / nuts up to 500nm 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: Nick W on 11 November 2018, 16:15:10
Its a Metric problem -

M10 Bolts or Nut is 17mm
M12 Bolts or Nut is 19mm

M11 Threaded Bolts or Nuts do exist, which in theory is 18mm, but your really struggle to find them.

But Koreans will often have 12mm headed M8 & 16mm headed M10


Japanese too.
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: terry paget on 11 November 2018, 17:19:28
https://www.tooled-up.com/sealey-16-piece-1-2-drive-deep-hexagon-walldrive-impact-socket-set-metric/prod/179065/?varId=179065&Referrer=googleproductsearch&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI77SWvp_M3gIV0sqyCh3QswxqEAQYAiABEgJ6MfD_BwE

Wow !
even includes the 11mm so you can windy-gun the bleed nipples on brakes  :D ;D

only 1/2 inch drive though , so not strong enough for tyre fitters to windy gun wheel nuts up to the required 1.000.000 N/m  :(

I just buy single sockets now to replace the ones i've abused to failure  ;D
I wouldn't dare windy gun brake bleed nipples, they are hollow and easily broken off. I always use a T-bar to give an even torque and still use minimum force. If that fails I desist, give the caliper thereabouts a good hammering, and try again.
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: ronnyd on 11 November 2018, 17:40:51
https://www.tooled-up.com/sealey-16-piece-1-2-drive-deep-hexagon-walldrive-impact-socket-set-metric/prod/179065/?varId=179065&Referrer=googleproductsearch&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI77SWvp_M3gIV0sqyCh3QswxqEAQYAiABEgJ6MfD_BwE

Wow !
even includes the 11mm so you can windy-gun the bleed nipples on brakes  :D ;D

only 1/2 inch drive though , so not strong enough for tyre fitters to windy gun wheel nuts up to the required 1.000.000 N/m  :(

I just buy single sockets now to replace the ones i've abused to failure  ;D
I wouldn't dare windy gun brake bleed nipples, they are hollow and easily broken off. I always use a T-bar to give an even torque and still use minimum force. If that fails I desist, give the caliper thereabouts a good hammering, and try again.
Think he was joking Terry.  ;)
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: dave the builder on 11 November 2018, 17:43:19
https://www.tooled-up.com/sealey-16-piece-1-2-drive-deep-hexagon-walldrive-impact-socket-set-metric/prod/179065/?varId=179065&Referrer=googleproductsearch&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI77SWvp_M3gIV0sqyCh3QswxqEAQYAiABEgJ6MfD_BwE

Wow !
even includes the 11mm so you can windy-gun the bleed nipples on brakes  :D ;D

only 1/2 inch drive though , so not strong enough for tyre fitters to windy gun wheel nuts up to the required 1.000.000 N/m  :(

I just buy single sockets now to replace the ones i've abused to failure  ;D
I wouldn't dare windy gun brake bleed nipples, they are hollow and easily broken off. I always use a T-bar to give an even torque and still use minimum force. If that fails I desist, give the caliper thereabouts a good hammering, and try again.
  just joking about using the windy gun on the nipples :o  Terry  ;D
though a deep six sided socket gets good grip
hopefully you don't windy gun wheels to 1.000,000 N/m either  :o
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: TheBoy on 11 November 2018, 17:48:00
Sealey
Or buy Clarke. Or any number of other brands.  Sadly Sealey is another that buys from the same Chinese factories as everyone else, and rebrands, and lives on its past.

I'm not a big fan of modern Sealey stuff, and is often much cheaper with a different badge on it.
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: ronnyd on 11 November 2018, 19:38:59
Sealey
Or buy Clarke. Or any number of other brands.  Sadly Sealey is another that buys from the same Chinese factories as everyone else, and rebrands, and lives on its past.

I'm not a big fan of modern Sealey stuff, and is often much cheaper with a different badge on it.
Live just round the corner from them. Just a damn great warehouse.
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: Nick W on 11 November 2018, 22:21:36
Sealey
Or buy Clarke. Or any number of other brands.  Sadly Sealey is another that buys from the same Chinese factories as everyone else, and rebrands, and lives on its past.



Sealey's past was always buying import stuff with their own name on it. The difference is that they were one of the first to do that. What you're paying for now is that they have a huge range and dealer network, supplied from the UK with good support which includes decent instructions. That probably doesn't matter too much for basic handtools, but once you step up to specialist kit, welders, electronic gear etc is worth having.
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: TheBoy on 12 November 2018, 18:04:59
Sealey
Or buy Clarke. Or any number of other brands.  Sadly Sealey is another that buys from the same Chinese factories as everyone else, and rebrands, and lives on its past.



Sealey's past was always buying import stuff with their own name on it. The difference is that they were one of the first to do that. What you're paying for now is that they have a huge range and dealer network, supplied from the UK with good support which includes decent instructions. That probably doesn't matter too much for basic handtools, but once you step up to specialist kit, welders, electronic gear etc is worth having.
The difference being that they now buy in the same shite as everyone else, rather than better quality previously.

The support network can be useful, but irrelevant for most of us here.
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: Keith ABS on 13 November 2018, 12:55:19
 The far east is very superstisious and will not use 13 hence no 13mm head nuts or bolts
My earliest recollection of 18mm being used on cars was on Renault.
Typical French being awkward
Title: Re: Deep sockets
Post by: deviator on 13 November 2018, 15:59:30
I've collected my tools over many many years. I'm currently buying Snap On replacements for the tools I use a lot. As it happens the last set I bought was deep impact sockets 15-32mm, there is certainly an 18mm in there.

Please note, I am buying Snap On as it means present buying for me is easy and I get what I want. I'm also working on the basis that if my son doesn't want to swing the spanners, he'll have a lot monies worth of tools to sell as they don't seem to get cheaper.