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Omega General Help / Re: Radiator fans

« on: 13 August 2018, 10:38:21 »

From Haynes, circuit diagram lines 749-775 on a late model X30XE.

Grounding FT1 energises Relays K26 & K48.
Grounding FT2 energises Relays K28 & K48.
Grounding FT4 energises Relay K67
Grounding FT5 energises Relays K28 & K52

K26 is protected by fuse F50
K28 is protected by fuse F40
K48 is protected by fuses F15 & F50
K52 is protected by fuses F15 & F52
K67 is protected by fuses F15 & F42

From what you say does work, K26, K28, K48, F40, F50 & F52 are probably Ok. That leaves K52, K67, F15, F42.

If FT4 doesn't work, measure the voltage on the FT4 pin. It should be +12V with the ignition on in position III. If it's not, then either relay K67 (coil open circuit) or fuse F15 (blown) are toast. If it is 12V, then the coil and fuse are in tact, so shorting it to ground should then energise K67. If the main fan then doesn't run full speed then either relay K67 (switched contacts burnt out) or fuse F42 (blown) are toast. None of this requires working A/C or working radiator thermostats.

FT5 is more complicated, but on the principle that a single fault is much more likely than two unrelated faults I suspect fixing FT4 will fix FT5. If it doesn't then report back after you've got FT4 working.
 

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General Discussion Area / Re: Boiler being replaced.

« on: 10 August 2018, 23:22:42 »

All bar the most recent plumbing (done during the extension work) is proper copper pipes, with soldered joints.

Do you know what the specification of the new pipework is? If it is plastic then it MUST have an 'oxygen barrier' (hence the term 'barrier pipe') to prevent oxygen from the air migrating through the walls of the pipe.

The stuff I can see is grey, and marked Poly Plumbing Class 5 17mm barrier pipe, H&C blah blah blah. However, I think this only goes to the new utility room extension which has a hot feed to the washing machine and a small sink. The radiator in there is tapped off another radiator in the main house hallway, again using grey plastic pipe which is laid (though not buried) in the concrete floor. All the pipework directly connected to the boiler is still copper.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Boiler being replaced.

« on: 10 August 2018, 22:41:29 »

A few things ring alarm bells there. Firstly, hard water shouldn't have much impact on the life of the primary side of the system. You fill it once, and once the calcium in that batch of water has been deposited somewhere, you don't get any more forming. If you are getting issue due to calcium building up, then the system must be topping itself up and constantly therefore adding more calcium.

All I know is that over the years we've probably needed a new pump every 5 years. Dunno why for sure - hard water was suggested by the last repairer but that could be 'dangle berries'.

If the header tank is getting hot then the system could be boiling due to a faulty boiler thermostat, poor circulation around the boiler or perhaps the system has been plumbed in such a way that water can get pumped over the air vent pipe through the header tank. That will cause evaporation, and topping-up, and perhaps your calcium issues?

I'm guessing the boiler move resulted in such an issue that wasn't spotted at the time?

It's not been my problem till recently, so I have tried to avoid getting involved. I've never tried to get my head around how the CH works, or how it interacts with the immersion heater. I don't think there is (well was) anything wrong with the boiler, but I do suspect the plumbing may have been messed up when the boiler was moved for the extension. From memory hot water does drip from the U bend overflow in the loft back into the header tank.

Going to a sealed system might well solve the issues, if not simply because you notice when topping up is required because it has to be done manually! It might be a lottery on a system that old as to whether it is happy with the increased pressure, mind.

We've been in the house since it was built and the CH added. We're therefore 99.9% certain none of the pipes are buried in the floor. The heating engineer that came and diagnosed the duff boiler did raise buried pipework as a concern, but said if we were convinced that none of the pipes are buried in the concrete floor then he would recommend the System boiler. Some radiator pipes are buried/chased into the vertical walls, but the vast majority of the pipework is under the floorboards on the first floor. All bar the most recent plumbing (done during the extension work) is proper copper pipes, with soldered joints.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Boiler being replaced.

« on: 10 August 2018, 16:39:07 »

Our boiler packed up here last Thursday - pissing about a gallon of water out per 12 hours, via the electronic control board. We first noticed there was a fault when the Earth leakage CB kept tripping and wouldn't reset. I worked out which circuit was tripping the ELCB and disabled it. Then I stuck a bucket under the boiler to catch the leaking water and called the boiler service bloke. He came round Monday lunchtime. Apparantly it's FUBAR - condenser leaking water and because the circuit board in on the bottom, it 'floods' and shorts the mains out hence the CB tripping.

Its a BAXI 3 summut or other - about 17 years old. Estimate for repair is £750-£1000. Estimate to replace is £2700 like for like, or £3000 for a 'system' boiler whatever that is.

I believe a 'system' boiler is another name for a Combi?

I thought a system boiler is a non-combi that contains the circulating pump and pressure vessel.
Not that much use if your system already has the above elsewhere.

You could be right, Kevin, hence the question mark after my post.

Kevin is right - I think. We do have a header tank in the loft, but last winter for some reason the water in it was getting very (very!) hot. There is no lid on the tank, so it steams. Steam into a cold (in winter) loft results in condensation, which if left will probably cause damp. So something needs doing, just not sure what ATM.

It's a 1960's house, originally with a back boiler (behind the fireplace) and electric immersion heater. Gas central heating was added in the late 60's and the original boiler soldered on till about 2001. The header tank in the loft definately didn't get hot with that. That old boiler finally packed up and was replaced by the Baxi which we still have. Initially I don't remember the tank 'steaming' and I'm pretty sure I would have noticed - there is a lot of junk in the loft including the Christmas decorations which come down and go up once a year.

We had a small extension built about 3 years ago, and the Baxi was moved to accommodate the new kitchen layout. Then last winter I noticed the 'steaming' in the loft. Now the Baxi has packed up, but at least we still have the (50 year old!) immersion heater for hot water, and no urgent need to get the central heating working - at least for a month or two.

I like the sound of the System heater - it's not a combi so does heat a tank full of hot (tap) water, and doesn't require a header tank so that solves the 'steaming' loft issue at the same time. We have had multiple CH pumps pack u over the years due to the very hard water here, so having the pump integrated into the boiler is a bit of a concern.

I only posted my woes to try and put some context into the prices being touted to moggy though.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Boiler being replaced.

« on: 09 August 2018, 22:21:03 »

Our boiler packed up here last Thursday - pissing about a gallon of water out per 12 hours, via the electronic control board. We first noticed there was a fault when the Earth leakage CB kept tripping and wouldn't reset. I worked out which circuit was tripping the ELCB and disabled it. Then I stuck a bucket under the boiler to catch the leaking water and called the boiler service bloke. He came round Monday lunchtime. Apparantly it's FUBAR - condenser leaking water and because the circuit board in on the bottom, it 'floods' and shorts the mains out hence the CB tripping.

Its a BAXI 3 summut or other - about 17 years old. Estimate for repair is £750-£1000. Estimate to replace is £2700 like for like, or £3000 for a 'system' boiler whatever that is.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Boiler being replaced.

« on: 09 August 2018, 10:04:40 »

also why do people think when something goes wrong or breaks they are entitled to compensation.

Because the LL has signed a contract to provide a home with certain minimum requirements, including heating and hot water. Failure to provide those items puts the LL is in breach of the contract, and hence the Tennant can to sue for compensation under civil law.

However, withholding rent isn't the way to go about it, because that puts the Tennant in breach of the contract too.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Boiler being replaced.

« on: 09 August 2018, 09:57:53 »

A new boiler in one of my BTL's would take 40% of the years profit.  Whilst my insurance covers putting the tenant up if the house is uninhabitable, I don't think the loss adjuster would think a boiler out of action should result in the house being uninhabitable.

He would. A rental is legally uninhabitable if there is no heating or hot water, so you would be breaching the terms of the contract/lease.

The council can require you (yes you - the landlord) to fix the boiler as soon as practical/possible in all cases. And for some special cases (families with babies) it's "immediately", not "as soon as practical". It's already led to some (admittedly notorious) landlords starting eviction procedures against families with small children.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-44902381

Moggy kicking up an unreasonable fuss (as determined by the LL not us/moggie) could result in a S.21 eviction if the LL decides you're too much bother. Deliberatley withholding some portion of the rent without LL agreement is even more likely to result in a S.8 eviction.

However, given that moggy's LL seems to be trying to rectify the issue as soon as possible, I doubt anyone would argue he was doing much wrong in this instance. I'd suggest moggy posts on the moneysaving expert message boards for more help : https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/forumdisplay.php?f=16

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Omega General Help / Re: Radiator fans

« on: 05 August 2018, 23:46:51 »

I printed this out from the old site :

http://oldsite.omegaowners.com//forum/YaBB.pl?num=1280081141

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General Car Chat / Re: New one on me.

« on: 03 August 2018, 11:35:56 »

Things like "old sweet wrapper found in passenger side ashtray" and "50p piece found under rear passenger over-mats" aren't MOT failures. Yet.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Mother Theresa Takes Control

« on: 01 August 2018, 10:46:16 »

They could refuse as you say, but that would probably cause a constitutional crisis. One of the many reasons that people voted leave was a deep seated unease across the country that Parliament is not really in control of the country. 

It wouldn't cause any constitutional crisis, because Parliament is sovereign and is free to do anything it likes. Always, no exceptions. It might result in us getting thrown out of the EU, or any other treaties we have voluntarily entered into, if parliament does something that breaches the rules of those treaties.

The will of parliament always overrides what anyone else, including the EU, want - within the jurisdiction of the UK. But when dealing with other sovereign entities you either obey the agreed rules,  leave the treaty, or send the gunboats in. Cherry picking the bits of the treaty you like and discarding the bits you don't like is unlikely to be acceptable to the other parties to the treaty.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Mother Theresa Takes Control

« on: 31 July 2018, 16:44:00 »

Because, as I keep saying, Parliament is Sovereign.

Except that it isn't, as it's subservient to the EU. 

The people voted to restore parliamentary sovereignty, but it doesn't appear to want it!   

No, it's not. Parliament is Sovereign. Parliament is free to decide what it wants. It can declare the moon is made of cheese, and then legally for the UK the moon IS made of cheese.

But, if you want to play (football) with other equally sovereign countries, then you have to abide by the rules (of football). The FA could repeal any of the laws of football it wants, but it can't play internationally then. Similarly Parliament can refuse to adopt any EU rule it likes within the UK, but you then won't be able to play with the rest of the EU.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Mother Theresa Takes Control

« on: 31 July 2018, 15:55:55 »

No. I've already used my vote to 'win'. Why should I have to vote again?

Because, as I keep saying, Parliament is Sovereign. You have to try and persuade enough of them do what you want - you can't make them. If voting once isn't enough then perhaps twice will be. Or thrice. Regardless of whether you vote for them or not, they are doing things in your name. Or, put another way (accepting this is basically a civil war/Hitler faux-pas) ....

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

You can't eject, say, Labour in favour of the tories because you didn't understand that they were a bunch of Trots when you voted for them.

Well, you can, at the next GE although it may be 5 years till you get the chance.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Mother Theresa Takes Control

« on: 31 July 2018, 15:14:32 »

From a personal perspective, if another referendum is called I won't vote in it. Neither will I ever vote in any political contest again, be it local or national.
What's the point?

Which just makes it more likely that people who have the opposite beliefs/opinions to you win.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Mother Theresa Takes Control

« on: 31 July 2018, 14:27:40 »

So if we have BrexitRef2, why not BrexitRef3 or 4 or 5 etc etc just to make sure or just in case people have changed their minds?  After all that's democracy in practice right? 

Ah no, that would be silly!    Especially if BrexitRef2 produced the 'right result'! 

It's a legitimate concern, but it's not silly at all. After all we've already had 2 BREXIT referenda. One in 1974, and the one in 2016. What arbitrary time limit between referenda on the same subject would you suggest? We nominally have General Elections every 5 years, but should a govt fall then in principle we could have one every few months. People can and do change their minds.

I don't like referenda one bit - we elect politicians to try and understand all the issues and take the important decisions. Asking the public a question that they do not and can not understand all the implications is daft. If you do, then IMV you should require a lot more than a simple majority to change the status quo - even more so if it's effectively a change to the 'constitution'.

This possibility just makes it worse.

If people do change their mind and more people vote remain then 'team leave' will insist on making it the best of 3.....or 5.....or 7.

If people didn't change their mind then we'd have had the same government in office for the past hundred years.

Yes I'd expect team leave to continue campaigning.

If people vote the same way as before then 'team leave' will win again proving there was no point to a second vote.

That's only true if the question is the same as before. If it's an explicit choice between Hard/WTO Brexit and Remain on the same terms as before then it's a different question, with options the public understand better now, and can be delivered by the Govt (assuming remain is an option). If team leave win a second time with such clear options then few would quibble.

I've read in various places that the Irish govt have already asked the ECJ for a ruling on if Art50 is revocable or not. Can't find anything listed in the ECJ schedule though. If the answer to that becomes important then the ECJ can expedite a decisions in 4 months apparently. End of November then.

Team leave will say they have already won the referendum  (and in my view they did) and there will be an impasse,

They did win, on the original question. The discussion now is what does leave mean. And once that is known, do the majority of the public still want it?

possibly followed by civil war

You know someone has lost the argument as soon as the civil war card is played. It's similar to the Hitler card.

The reason we had an IN/OUT vote was to make it easy for the great unwashed to get their head around it. Start introducing extra "my brain hurts" information like WTO  and all that involves and you'll be opening a can of worms. Total confusion will follow.   

Yes - the my brain hurts issue is exactly why there shouldn't have been a referendum in the first place. But we are where we are.

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General Discussion Area / Re: Mother Theresa Takes Control

« on: 31 July 2018, 12:59:44 »

So if we have BrexitRef2, why not BrexitRef3 or 4 or 5 etc etc just to make sure or just in case people have changed their minds?  After all that's democracy in practice right? 

Ah no, that would be silly!    Especially if BrexitRef2 produced the 'right result'! 

It's a legitimate concern, but it's not silly at all. After all we've already had 2 BREXIT referenda. One in 1974, and the one in 2016. What arbitrary time limit between referenda on the same subject would you suggest? We nominally have General Elections every 5 years, but should a govt fall then in principle we could have one every few months. People can and do change their minds.

I don't like referenda one bit - we elect politicians to try and understand all the issues and take the important decisions. Asking the public a question that they do not and can not understand all the implications is daft. If you do, then IMV you should require a lot more than a simple majority to change the status quo - even more so if it's effectively a change to the 'constitution'.

This possibility just makes it worse.

If people do change their mind and more people vote remain then 'team leave' will insist on making it the best of 3.....or 5.....or 7.

If people didn't change their mind then we'd have had the same government in office for the past hundred years.

Yes I'd expect team leave to continue campaigning.

If people vote the same way as before then 'team leave' will win again proving there was no point to a second vote.

That's only true if the question is the same as before. If it's an explicit choice between Hard/WTO Brexit and Remain on the same terms as before then it's a different question, with options the public understand better now, and can be delivered by the Govt (assuming remain is an option). If team leave win a second time with such clear options then few would quibble.

I've read in various places that the Irish govt have already asked the ECJ for a ruling on if Art50 is revocable or not. Can't find anything listed in the ECJ schedule though. If the answer to that becomes important then the ECJ can expedite a decisions in 4 months apparently. End of November then.