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General Discussion Area / Re: What has P*ssed you off today?
« on: 03 January 2024, 12:14:06 »I understand where you're coming from, I suspect that we do it for fatigue management purposes on longer sectors rather than ETOPS.
It's the little details that make the difference, and had anyone in the flight deck of the Dash 8 looked right, they should have seen the A350 on finals and could have clarified their clearance, although that might not have been a culturally 'correct' thing to do.
But it will all come out in the wash.
Latest 'rumours' are that...
1) The Dash8 had been lined up on the runway for 45-60 seconds before the impact. If correct, then even if the co-pilot had looked up the approach before entering the active, there would have appeared to be space/time - the A350 would have been 2-3 miles away which is fine in VFR conditions.
2) Dash 8 strobes were not on, because SOP is to turn them on only once take of clearance is received. TO clearance was not issued.
3) The A350 and Dash 8 were on different Tower Frequencies. These may or may not have been bandboxed (joined transmissions so one freq can be re-heard on the other). If they were not bandboxed, then neither plane would have been aware of clearances issued to the other.
4) Some runway and taxiway lighting NOTAMED as in-op - Specifically the STOP markers at the intersection of C5 and RWY.
5) ATC clearances in English perhaps mis-understood by non native English speakers.
Does sound like the holes in the cheese are lining up. All very sad - the sort of thing that shouldn't happen, but there for the grace of god...