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[cem_devecioglu]

today repaired a friends car ..


1st step : removed all rust as much as possible with sander and by a screw driver





2nd step


I asked a friend to prepare a small amount of fiber to fill the gap (you can prepare yourself its easy- only buy components and mix them)



3rd step


I used the fiber like normal bondo and fill the area and shape up before it dries (it has a hardener in it)


4th step


after it dried I sanded the area and used a tiny amount of white bondo to fill small holes on the fiber


5th step


mask the car and paint with epoxy inside out



6th step


after 3-4 hours  remove the masks carefully





7th step


wait 2-3 days ,  wet sand the primer  , then paint it

[kevinp58]

It will be back. 

[cem_devecioglu]

It will be back. 

upon inspection , I have seen that the inner cover was folded and was far from protecting the metal part..  after the paint is complete inner parts will be covered with aluminium  as originals are crap..

[omega3000]

Epoxy is king 

[biggriffin]

They look like winter tyres/ or full m+s to me

[cem_devecioglu]

They look like winter tyres/ or full m+s to me

yep.. they are winter tyres ..

[Marks DTM Calib]

Epoxy paint is very good, been using some recently on one of my other projects

[omega3000]

The rest of the car will rust to bits but the epoxy will still be good 

[cem_devecioglu]

Epoxy is king 

 

[cem_devecioglu]

Epoxy paint is very good, been using some recently on one of my other projects

definitely

[cem_devecioglu]

today there were other surprises that were inspected later


front drivers door had some serious rust bubbles that needs removing





took some time to remove.. and there was a thick bondo underneath 





finally reached metal surface

[cem_devecioglu]

also  bumper had a chat with some tough surface, covered with deep scratches


firstly I used plastic adhesion promoter later filled the scratches with paint (used brush ) by several applications and drying (4)
then sanded the surface with 2000 wet dried with hair dryer





last condition before paint



after masked the car  sprayed plastic adh.promoter again sprayed its color 4 tiny layers with 0.8 micron and than laquered

[cem_devecioglu]

result :

[cem_devecioglu]

also again blocksanded the part above the tyre to have a better surface and again sprayed epoxy on it





and the door





and also painted the roof parts with epoxy using brush (1st layer)





then applied paint (2nd layer)

[cem_devecioglu]

and my helper who cleaned my mess as I have used 4 different spray guns in hurry  

[cem_devecioglu]

tomorrow the painted part will be sanded and polished.. the door part will be sanded and primed with another filler as I try to avoid bondo..

[omega3000]

Looks nice and warm there , a good assistance with drying times .. pity about flying bugs spraying outside  Good result though , hope mrs cem approves but not of the mess you cause on her best garden table   

[cem_devecioglu]

Looks nice and warm there , a good assistance with drying times .. pity about flying bugs spraying outside  Good result though , hope mrs cem approves but not of the mess you cause on her best garden table   

today really I was lucky.. before it was about to rain and was windy.. I sprayed water to road as a precaution but only a small cat hair visited the paint   there were bugs flying and luckily none of them get interested , I guess they like the scratch resistent laquer more but this time I didnt use..


unfortunately yesterday a garden table cover was destroyed because of selulosic thinner.. but I promised for a new one

[05omegav6]

Busy boy... how much to do two Omega wheel arches and bonnet?

[Olympia5776]

Cem , what is the cost of 1 litre of epoxy chassis paint where you are  ?
It's very expensive over here  in Ireland .
Don

[omega3000]

Fibre glass is great for repairing holy omegas , very good on wheel arches 

[cem_devecioglu]

Busy boy... how much to do two Omega wheel arches and bonnet?

free for you

[cem_devecioglu]

Cem , what is the cost of 1 litre of epoxy chassis paint where you are  ?
It's very expensive over here  in Ireland .
Don

the one I use is Glassurit epoxy..   its sold in 4 litre can.. price was around 100 US$ last year but not sure for new price as paint prices increased dramatically

[cem_devecioglu]

one more important info for those who want to repair-paint their car.. if you paint a small area even with a 100% color match there will still be a small line trace (even if you sand) where you apply mask..  if you want a perfect job, sand the whole part with 800-1200 then paint+laquer the whole part.. patches will always be far from perfect

[Webby the Bear]

So Epoxy is resin to repair bodywork AND a chassis protection paint?

[cem_devecioglu]

So Epoxy is resin to repair bodywork AND a chassis protection paint?

yep.. very good protective and inert base..  also if you are unsure about the lower layers of paint , its a very good isolator..  for example if there is a wet bondo underneath it will suck above layers when it dries and create traces even on final layers.. but epoxy prevents this..


I always try to toast bondo between epoxy layers..  but in case I can, I avoid bondo and use grey filler ( a kind of primer) instead

[Webby the Bear]

is it the same stuff cem.... i.e. same stuff in the bottle would do chassis and be a filler..... or are they different epoxy products?

slightly off topic (sorry) I'm going with old engine oil to coat my chassis as I have it in abundance

[cem_devecioglu]

is it the same stuff cem.... i.e. same stuff in the bottle would do chassis and be a filler..... or are they different epoxy products?

slightly off topic (sorry) I'm going with old engine oil to coat my chassis as I have it in abundance

yep.. its a filler and a primer at the same time in the same can .. 


as for the old engine oil   never used something like that but I have seen people using tar underneath cars..  if viscosity is similiar you can use it..


but if you ask my opinion I wouldnt.. because it will destroy your chance of painting with a proper material later  ..

[cem_devecioglu]

alternative tin worm repair sucks   fiber not a good base for paint..


it fractured and had small holes


so had to do the job again and under rain due to time constraints

[cem_devecioglu]

if you plan to keep your  car my recommendation is cut and weld jobbie.. not this cheapo shortcut..

[05omegav6]

You can buy inert primers to suit the composition of the epoxy repair most epoxy manufacturers will produce/sell summat specific to their products...

[cem_devecioglu]

You can buy inert primers to suit the composition of the epoxy repair most epoxy manufacturers will produce/sell summat specific to their products...

thanks Al

[cem_devecioglu]

seems like I choose a "perfect day" no dust around

thats my city today


http://sozcu.com.tr/2014/gundem/gokcek-ankaraya-deniz-getirdi-521107/

[05omegav6]

Guessing you live on a hill then

[cem_devecioglu]

Guessing you live on a hill then

yep.. there is small hill.. so no flooding problem

[cem_devecioglu]

although had some problems because of hurry for rain finally today painted it


just after I finished it rain started but it was covered already

result better than I expected.. tomorrow will wet sand 1500 , 3000 trizact then polish..

[cem_devecioglu]

and a word of note for home diy painter:  for metallics paint a part completely unless there is specific reason not to..   but if you have to paint partially , color paint the problem area only (not total) than spray shortly around  far and tiny with fast movement  then advance the laquer a bit further than the painted area (but dont reach the masking limits or you will have a stair of paints).. and than spend your life sanding

[cem_devecioglu]

and the painting finished today (I painted twice , didnt like it.. removed new paint and blocked sanded again)


need to block sand heavily (wet 240)  as surface was awful like a geography map.. lots of bondo



epoxy primed as usual.. sanded with wet 600



and painted .. only one spot a very small fly passed in front of my satajet while spraying    and nosed dived into laquer

[omega3000]

a very small fly passed in front of my satajet while spraying 

Them fly just wait till you start spraying dont they 

Are you not fed up with sanding yet Cem 

[cem_devecioglu]

a very small fly passed in front of my satajet while spraying 

Them fly just wait till you start spraying dont they 

Are you not fed up with sanding yet Cem 

I have fed up long time ago..  but a good paint is  % 99.999 sanding % 0.001 painting.. what can I do

and I hate sanding very low parts , you cant see and your belly will have pain within short time

[Keith ABS]

  My Monza was treated to two coats of epoxy primer as the paintshop decided to do a bare metal job on the whole car, lots of sanding!
Keith B

[cem_devecioglu]

and the hardest point is the passage/intersection between old and new laquer.. you use the highest number (1500-2000) -old- sand paper and carefully arrange the passage/intersection.. for few cms you work for more than an hour (or two) carefully not to damage the old laquer..


normally I dont do these kind of painting.. but friend will sell his car and dont want whole parts to be painted

ps: will post the final pictures after polishing

[cem_devecioglu]

  My Monza was treated to two coats of epoxy primer as the paintshop decided to do a bare metal job on the whole car, lots of sanding!
Keith B

sometimes its much better if you cant trust the lower layers

[omega3000]

  My Monza was treated to two coats of epoxy primer as the paintshop decided to do a bare metal job on the whole car, lots of sanding!
Keith B

Epoxy primer seems to be the way to go nowadays , should last forever 

[cem_devecioglu]

  My Monza was treated to two coats of epoxy primer as the paintshop decided to do a bare metal job on the whole car, lots of sanding!
Keith B

Epoxy primer seems to be the way to go nowadays , should last forever 

very good material.. the only drawback is it hides the small scratches and dings (or imperfections) because of its color.. so after sanding you have to apply 2 coats of original metallic color without laquer - too see imperfections left

but one good side it keeps window 72 hours (glassurite)

ps: I bet very few will understand this "window"

[scimmy_man]

  My Monza was treated to two coats of epoxy primer as the paintshop decided to do a bare metal job on the whole car, lots of sanding!
Keith B

Epoxy primer seems to be the way to go nowadays , should last forever 

very good material.. the only drawback is it hides the small scratches and dings (or imperfections) because of its color.. so after sanding you have to apply 2 coats of original metallic color without laquer - too see imperfections left

but one good side it keeps window 72 hours (glassurite)

ps: I bet very few will understand this "window"

the time window to overcoat it?

[cem_devecioglu]

  My Monza was treated to two coats of epoxy primer as the paintshop decided to do a bare metal job on the whole car, lots of sanding!
Keith B

Epoxy primer seems to be the way to go nowadays , should last forever 

very good material.. the only drawback is it hides the small scratches and dings (or imperfections) because of its color.. so after sanding you have to apply 2 coats of original metallic color without laquer - too see imperfections left

but one good side it keeps window 72 hours (glassurite)

ps: I bet very few will understand this "window"

the time window to overcoat it?

yep.. so it can have chemical adhesion  


ps: I never trust chemical adhesion alone.. I always sand.. only exception is laquer/clear coat over color coat when its wet

[scimmy_man]

what do I win?

[cem_devecioglu]

what do I win?

if you come here you can help me   and a free beer

[scimmy_man]

Ohh Beer, Im in

[cem_devecioglu]

Ohh Beer, Im in

 

[omega3000]

Wish Cem lived in this country  , we could have a sanding/painting/prep party 

[cem_devecioglu]

Wish Cem lived in this country  , we could have a sanding/painting/prep party 

I would be very happy    cause I need help

[omega3000]

Got some rear lower panel repair to do , just waiting for the rain to stop  Slight dent on the corner from previously owned . Will pull out then fill and paint , bumper needs to come off for access though . Got a few scuff marks on the plastic bumper same side too 

[cem_devecioglu]

Got some rear lower panel repair to do , just waiting for the rain to stop  Slight dent on the corner from previously owned . Will pull out then fill and paint , bumper needs to come off for access though . Got a few scuff marks on the plastic bumper same side too 

before everything spare some time for the color match.. later when you start I'll tell how to blend with adjacent panel(s).. or in the same panel.. but keep in mind you have to clear coat whole part otherwise you will end up with an inevitable line regardless of how much you sand


and as for filling , you can use several applications of primer filler instead of bondo which has the risk of fracturing..  and use the largest block possible for sanding


and  a piccie will be helpful for us to decide where to blend

[omega3000]

Got some rear lower panel repair to do , just waiting for the rain to stop  Slight dent on the corner from previously owned . Will pull out then fill and paint , bumper needs to come off for access though . Got a few scuff marks on the plastic bumper same side too 

before everything spare some time for the color match.. later when you start I'll tell how to blend with adjacent panel(s).. or in the same panel.. but keep in mind you have to clear coat whole part otherwise you will end up with an inevitable line regardless of how much you sand


and as for filling , you can use several applications of primer filler instead of bondo which has the risk of fracturing..  and use the largest block possible for sanding


and  a piccie will be helpful for us to decide where to blend

Yep , already got some primer filler although the dent is very shallow so once pulled out will try to file the metal flat . What about chemical metal , ive used that before to good effect 

[cem_devecioglu]

Got some rear lower panel repair to do , just waiting for the rain to stop  Slight dent on the corner from previously owned . Will pull out then fill and paint , bumper needs to come off for access though . Got a few scuff marks on the plastic bumper same side too 

before everything spare some time for the color match.. later when you start I'll tell how to blend with adjacent panel(s).. or in the same panel.. but keep in mind you have to clear coat whole part otherwise you will end up with an inevitable line regardless of how much you sand


and as for filling , you can use several applications of primer filler instead of bondo which has the risk of fracturing..  and use the largest block possible for sanding


and  a piccie will be helpful for us to decide where to blend

Yep , already got some primer filler although the dent is very shallow so once pulled out will try to file the metal flat . What about chemical metal , ive used that before to good effect 

chemical metal ? never used that before .. will check

[omega3000]

Chemical metal can be filed and shaped like filler but much more stronger than filler 

[hotel21]

Search for devcon.  Very usefull compound.   

[omega3000]

Search for devcon.  Very usefull compound.   

Thanks for that hotel21 , looks very good . Found this :

Devcon

[cem_devecioglu]

Search for devcon.  Very usefull compound.   

thanks for the info

[omega3000]

Well got some stuff to try out on the bumper scuff marks to fill in the gouges then sand and paint ... will let you know how it goes . A bit trial and error but you got to try a different way than buying a kit at £20 plus eh 

[cem_devecioglu]

Well got some stuff to try out on the bumper scuff marks to fill in the gouges then sand and paint ... will let you know how it goes . A bit trial and error but you got to try a different way than buying a kit at £20 plus eh 

you can block sand the scuff marks so that they wont gulp too much expensive material

[omega3000]

Well got some stuff to try out on the bumper scuff marks to fill in the gouges then sand and paint ... will let you know how it goes . A bit trial and error but you got to try a different way than buying a kit at £20 plus eh 

you can block sand the scuff marks so that they wont gulp too much expensive material

Ive seen block sanding done with what looks like a Plane with sand paper on it  Ive always used a small hand size block . Cant i just mask off the offending area then feather in to the new paint after primer . Dont know what the bumpers are made from but hope it will sand enough to get the deep scratches out 

[cem_devecioglu]

Well got some stuff to try out on the bumper scuff marks to fill in the gouges then sand and paint ... will let you know how it goes . A bit trial and error but you got to try a different way than buying a kit at £20 plus eh 

you can block sand the scuff marks so that they wont gulp too much expensive material

Ive seen block sanding done with what looks like a Plane with sand paper on it  Ive always used a small hand size block . Cant i just mask off the offending area then feather in to the new paint after primer . Dont know what the bumpers are made from but hope it will sand enough to get the deep scratches out 

you can use also a small hand block.. but bigger is always better although in some cases they cant be used.. you can sand the problem area only but you have to level it with the other areas .. and I'm afraid you have to paint whole or paint wont be nice..


ps: bumpers are plastic as you can guess and and have enough thickness for normal sanding unless they are torn totally

[cem_devecioglu]

thats a proper blending job..  if you are planning to blend in a single panel please watch it..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MQ3Yx2h3Rg


some color adjustments and tinting

[/size]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7dsoanhObY[size=78%]

[cem_devecioglu]

thats a proper blending job..  if you are planning to blend in a single panel please watch it..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MQ3Yx2h3Rg


some color adjustments and tinting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7dsoanhObY

[omega3000]

Quite a lot of information on the web and one in particular using dry sanding which i prefer to do 

[cem_devecioglu]

I will repeat again, this fiber thingy sucks

[05omegav6]

I will repeat again, this fiber thingy sucks

Buy compatible products

[omega3000]

I will repeat again, this fiber thingy sucks

Fibreglass 

[cem_devecioglu]

I will repeat again, this fiber thingy sucks

Buy compatible products

I'm afraid cutting and welding is the only way thats worth your effort for long term

[cem_devecioglu]

I will repeat again, this fiber thingy sucks

Fibreglass 

nope..never again