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Re: Stag LPG kit supplier...?
« Reply #30 on: 15 December 2010, 16:47:25 »

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One thought, which I think we talked about, was fitting stag, see how it goes, and if there is a lag issue fit prins injectors.


Keihin injectors are used by Prins

They are expensive and difficult to obtain
£250 from prins approved installers. .....so it would be nice to know they cured the problem before parting with a lot of cash.
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« Reply #31 on: 15 December 2010, 18:59:26 »

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Probably but remind me.  :-[
Valtek should be OK in an Omega, but something else (escapes me) would be preferred, and to richen the map at the lag point...
He recommends Hana 2000 injectors, and implies the lag signifies a lean condition and to richen up via the 3d map  :-?

Google reveals fa re those injectors   :-/
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Re: Stag LPG kit supplier...?
« Reply #32 on: 15 December 2010, 19:03:50 »

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Probably but remind me.  :-[
Valtek should be OK in an Omega, but something else (escapes me) would be preferred, and to richen the map at the lag point...
He recommends Hana 2000 injectors, and implies the lag signifies a lean condition and to richen up via the 3d map  :-?

Google reveals fa re those injectors   :-/
Ah, your email works then ;D

I could find sod all on those injectors either....
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« Reply #33 on: 15 December 2010, 19:06:36 »

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Probably but remind me.  :-[
Valtek should be OK in an Omega, but something else (escapes me) would be preferred, and to richen the map at the lag point...
He recommends Hana 2000 injectors, and implies the lag signifies a lean condition and to richen up via the 3d map  :-?

Google reveals fa re those injectors   :-/
Ah, your email works then ;D

I could find sod all on those injectors either....
So two Stag v6 kits then?
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feeutfo

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« Reply #34 on: 15 December 2010, 19:09:34 »

I have posted re this subject on one of the LPG forums.

So far, all members subs are approved by admin, as are all new topics, it's not a quick process. >:(
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« Reply #35 on: 15 December 2010, 20:51:51 »

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Probably but remind me.  :-[
Valtek should be OK in an Omega, but something else (escapes me) would be preferred, and to richen the map at the lag point...
He recommends Hana 2000 injectors, and implies the lag signifies a lean condition and to richen up via the 3d map  :-?

Google reveals fa re those injectors   :-/
Ah, your email works then ;D

I could find sod all on those injectors either....
So two Stag v6 kits then?
I reckon I could be going down the Stag route again...
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« Reply #36 on: 15 December 2010, 20:55:27 »

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Probably but remind me.  :-[
Valtek should be OK in an Omega, but something else (escapes me) would be preferred, and to richen the map at the lag point...
He recommends Hana 2000 injectors, and implies the lag signifies a lean condition and to richen up via the 3d map  :-?

Google reveals fa re those injectors   :-/
Ah, your email works then ;D

I could find sod all on those injectors either....
So two Stag v6 kits then?
I reckon I could be going down the Stag route again...
Who will do us a deal on two? Or 3 if Jim wants one...?  (with 3d map and magic injectors, to start with)
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« Reply #37 on: 16 December 2010, 00:00:22 »

A few replies so far...

http://www.lpgforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=8759

Non specific to omega though.  :-/
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« Reply #38 on: 16 December 2010, 00:13:38 »

"We are a tight bunch" ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #39 on: 16 December 2010, 00:22:44 »

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"We are a tight bunch" ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #40 on: 16 December 2010, 00:29:46 »

The second response seems to boil down to "You have to keep recalibrating because the injectors slowly wear out and the system isn't clever enough to figure that out" ...

The more I read about gas, the more I think the whole thing seems ... a bit of a bodge?

Then again, that's my general opinion on piggyback ECUs on top of OBD-II compliant ECUs in general (hence the standalone on the MR2) - you're always fighting the stock ECUs self-learning, it seems.

[edit] Man, I just re-read the three posts I made and they're all incredibly negative. Someone find me a stock of happy pills, stat!
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Re: Stag LPG kit supplier...?
« Reply #41 on: 16 December 2010, 10:09:50 »

Rossko is assuming the throttle closes during gear change, which it doesn't.

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The more I read about gas, the more I think the whole thing seems ... a bit of a bodge?

Then again, that's my general opinion on piggyback ECUs on top of OBD-II compliant ECUs in general (hence the standalone on the MR2) - you're always fighting the stock ECUs self-learning, it seems.

Well, yes and no. The alternative is a second dedicated ECU for LPG, of course, or a purpose designed Bi-Fuel ECU.

The bodge then becomes making the new ECU work with all the other systems in the car, so CAN comms, both standard and proprietary to Bosch with the ABC/TC, autobox and the various other signals to the MID, instuments, climate control, etc.

With a "piggy back" ECU you have a nice simple interface to hook up to; a pulse for each cylinder with duration proportional to fuel demand. In theory, as long as you apply the corrections to compensate for temperature and pressure of the LPG the "learning" mechanisms in the main ECU work to your favour on LPG too.

The only slight issue you then have is that the ignition map is set up for petrol where ideally you'd want a little more advance on LPG and the transient corrections assume a liquid fuel and "wall wetting", which is not the case with LPG.

I suspect the second of the above is a factor in this lag we are seeing.

So, a bodge? Perhaps, but between a rock and a hard place. :-/

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« Reply #42 on: 16 December 2010, 11:42:56 »

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So, a bodge? Perhaps, but between a rock and a hard place. :-/

True, I forgot about that pesky CANbus thing, always complicating issues.. talking to the rest of the car is always the hard part, I suppose.
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« Reply #43 on: 16 December 2010, 11:54:12 »

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A few replies so far...

http://www.lpgforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=8759

Non specific to omega though.  :-/

I've dipped my oar in.. Pending moderation. ::)
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« Reply #44 on: 16 December 2010, 14:13:18 »

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I reckon I could be going down the Stag route again...
Who will do us a deal on two? Or 3 if Jim wants one...?  (with 3d map and magic injectors, to start with)

I got low on LPG at the weekend thanks to my usual garage running out, and ended up paying 78.9ppl :o.

I think I'd be waiting until the spring to see if the price of LPG becomes more sensible, or at least stops rocketing, to be perfectly honest. Payback from a conversion would be a good 2 years for me at those sort of prices. Then again, I'm not burning much petrol at the moment so maybe I'm only seeing one side of the story. :-/

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