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[Andy B]

probably less hassle to just replace the 5p O ring, filters are about the same price

 

[Webby the Bear]

There’s no real difference. Though I do take tb’s comments about frank sensor on board. 👍

[Webby the Bear]

*crank

[dave the builder]

There’s no real difference. Though I do take tb’s comments about frank spensor on board. 👍

did TB compare you     

[Webby the Bear]

🤣🤣🤣

[TheBoy]

And the paper element is much, much, much less messy when changing.

Webby, don't bin your old canister, I'll happily put in my TBE spares tray

[Webby the Bear]

It’s saved and it’s yours mate 👍👍👍

[TheBoy]

Top man

[deviator]

I can never quite understand the logic of the 'upgrade' and why the spin on filter is better .... the same debate surrounds the Smart's paper filter 

A few reasons.....
1. The housing can leak.
2. The housing can come loose from the block before the cap comes off.
3. The cap and housing can break.
4. By the far the most important, You can't crush a spin on filter by fitting it incorrectly.

I've seen number 4 a few times. It's difficult to get the cap and filter in, in one go. So they stick the filter in the housing and screw the cap down hoping that some pixies will aligning the plastic clips with the cap and fight the effects of gravity on the filter. As the cap is screwed down it crushes the filter either allowing unfiltered oil through or restricting the flow.

Advantages of the paper ones..
1. Slightly cheaper.
2. If all is good, then it's not as messy doing the oil.
3. Can check the filter for metal without cutting the can open.

[Andy B]

I can never quite understand the logic of the 'upgrade' and why the spin on filter is better .... the same debate surrounds the Smart's paper filter 

A few reasons.....
1. The housing can leak.
2. The housing can come loose from the block before the cap comes off.
3. The cap and housing can break.
4. By the far the most important, You can't crush a spin on filter by fitting it incorrectly.

I've seen number 4 a few times. It's difficult to get the cap and filter in, in one go. So they stick the filter in the housing and screw the cap down hoping that some pixies will aligning the plastic clips with the cap and fight the effects of gravity on the filter. As the cap is screwed down it crushes the filter either allowing unfiltered oil through or restricting the flow.

Advantages of the paper ones..
1. Slightly cheaper.
2. If all is good, then it's not as messy doing the oil.
3. Can check the filter for metal without cutting the can open.

In 10 yrs of Omega ownership and a couple of oil changes a year I never experienced any of the highlighted 
The filter clips into the housing ..... as it does in my Smart and R Class (not done my ML yet but it's basically the same as the R Class)

[TheBoy]

4. By the far the most important, You can't crush a spin on filter by fitting it incorrectly.

If a mechanic is too stupid to fit an Omega paper one incorrectly, then I doubt he/she could have the intelligence to spin on a tradional filter.

The cartridge clips into the cap, making it incredibly simple to remove and refit.

[aaronjb]

Pretty sure deviator knows how you're meant to assemble them .. and his point was that plenty of other people don't..

[deviator]

Pretty sure deviator knows how you're meant to assemble them .. and his point was that plenty of other people don't..

Thank you. I'm just feeding back the stuff I have seen when servicing many cars.

I certainly know with the Vectra's (2.6 as they have manicats), you can't get the cap and filter in the housing whilst they are clipped together. I can't remember the Omega as it's been a couple of years. You needed to place the paper filter into the housing, offer the cap up, clip it on whilst holding the element in the housing before screwing it down.

[aaronjb]

My BMW is the same - when you try and pull the filter & cap out through the little service hatch, the filter will invariably become detached..

You can, however, just about wiggle them both back in again as a unit to avoid the filter getting crushed. Once you've cleaned all the oil off yourself, of course, that came out of the filter housing.. (there is a drain bung on the filter cap, actually, but it is almost always seized in..)

[Doctor Gollum]

My BMW is the same - when you try and pull the filter & cap out through the little service hatch, the filter will invariably become detached..

You can, however, just about wiggle them both back in again as a unit to avoid the filter getting crushed. Once you've cleaned all the oil off yourself, of course, that came out of the filter housing.. (there is a drain bung on the filter cap, actually, but it is almost always seized in..)

Didn't they put it somewhere sensible, like on the previous v8