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The mighty Signum fails her test.
« on: 17 September 2020, 16:33:58 »

Parking brake efficiency below requirements.....[1.4.2 (a)]

What is likely to be the cause?. She had new rear pads about 5000 miles ago.
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Re: The mighty Signum fails her test.
« Reply #1 on: 17 September 2020, 16:41:10 »

Probably cable or linkage ...need to get under and have a look  :)
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Re: The mighty Signum fails her test.
« Reply #2 on: 17 September 2020, 16:44:35 »

Probably cable or linkage ...need to get under and have a look  :)

They said they couldn't give me a price without further investigation. So back again on Wednesday. 
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Re: The mighty Signum fails her test.
« Reply #3 on: 17 September 2020, 17:15:13 »

If its the same same setup as the omega with rear discs, strip, clean, replace shoes if necessary, adjust and rebuild.
OR if you want to be a little naughty, tighten the cable underneath the handbrake a touch so when the mot man gives it a tug  :D it pulls on the shoes a little more
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Re: The mighty Signum fails her test.
« Reply #4 on: 17 September 2020, 17:16:11 »

Rear discs so could be a seized cable, do you use the handbrake?

(Use it or lose it)
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Re: The mighty Signum fails her test.
« Reply #5 on: 17 September 2020, 17:16:55 »

Oh that sounds ominous !!

Bend over and accept the greased ladle !!

Hope it’s a simple fix 🤞
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Re: The mighty Signum fails her test.
« Reply #6 on: 17 September 2020, 17:21:03 »

or it could just need the cable adjusting if it was too many clicks
are they shoes in the disc like omega or ratchet ones that use the pads  :-\
not expensive really whatever the issue

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Re: The mighty Signum fails her test.
« Reply #7 on: 17 September 2020, 17:28:51 »

or it could just need the cable adjusting if it was too many clicks
are they shoes in the disc like omega or ratchet ones that use the pads  :-\
not expensive really whatever the issue
Signum uses the Vectra setup, which is pure disc at the rear, so seized cable is likely, esp on an auto, due to lack of use.
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Re: The mighty Signum fails her test.
« Reply #8 on: 17 September 2020, 17:54:05 »

or it could just need the cable adjusting if it was too many clicks
are they shoes in the disc like omega or ratchet ones that use the pads  :-\
not expensive really whatever the issue
Signum uses the Vectra setup, which is pure disc at the rear, so seized cable is likely, esp on an auto, due to lack of use.
Yep......handbrake doesn't get much of a workout as being an auto, and a lazy bastard, I usually hold the car on the brakes.

Along with broken coil springs ( which happens every year) she failed on the same thing last year. They cleaned repaired and lubricated the 'handbrake mechanism'..........apparently. ::) :-X

Also, 17 months since last test due to 6 month covid exemption. :)
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Re: The mighty Signum fails her test.
« Reply #9 on: 17 September 2020, 18:18:39 »

Hand brake is on the rear calipers and is known for issues from new.

By the time they've pissed about trying to make it work, you may as well throw a pair of calipers on it :y
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Re: The mighty Signum fails her test.
« Reply #10 on: 18 September 2020, 17:46:10 »

or it could just need the cable adjusting if it was too many clicks
are they shoes in the disc like omega or ratchet ones that use the pads  :-\
not expensive really whatever the issue
Signum uses the Vectra setup, which is pure disc at the rear, so seized cable is likely, esp on an auto, due to lack of use.

Now that is interesting, as the Saab 9-5 (an older design, but in production until 2010) uses the drum within disc setup.

Mine are both Auto's, and have never failed on handbrake efficiency.  I NEVER use the handbrake except for on the way to an MOT where it gets a workout whilst rolling to clean the crap from the inside of the drum.
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Re: The mighty Signum fails her test.
« Reply #11 on: 18 September 2020, 17:55:21 »

Hand brake is on the rear calipers and is known for issues from new.

By the time they've pissed about trying to make it work, you may as well throw a pair of calipers on it :y


Yes, my sister's Hyundai has needed work on the rear handbrake calipers for every MOT. I finally gave up on freeing off one of the calipers, but it's also had both cables, new discs and pads(those twice). Even adjusted properly, a small pad onto a disc makes for a poor handbrake, whereas expanding shoes in a drum are much more effective and less likely to need work.


A working handbrake is important around here ;)
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Re: The mighty Signum fails her test.
« Reply #12 on: 18 September 2020, 17:59:46 »

Hand brake is on the rear calipers and is known for issues from new.

By the time they've pissed about trying to make it work, you may as well throw a pair of calipers on it :y

Not actually correct.

In the early days they used two caliper types, Bosch and ATE. The Bosch one's were complete crap and got ditched very early on, the ATE one are good and work well......but you do have to use it ! :y
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Re: The mighty Signum fails her test.
« Reply #13 on: 18 September 2020, 19:02:03 »

My '55 facelift had a recall for them seizing up, and separately, releasing as the brakes cooled.

It rolled away twice and ending up cooking a rear wheel bearing as well having suffered both issues.
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Re: The mighty Signum fails her test.
« Reply #14 on: 18 September 2020, 19:14:45 »




Yes, my sister's Hyundai has needed work on the rear handbrake calipers for every MOT.
Mrs Builder had an Elantra when i met her , brakes needed stripping twice a year  ::)
she now has an Astra estate ,which lasts the 12 months  ;D
(i strip and clean brakes as part of MOT prep on all the cars )
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