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Omega General Help / Re: cold start issue and fuel trim error
« on: 24 January 2019, 23:44:31 »
  :) Hi and sorry for the late reply, my excuse being work commitments lol.  No seriously, to all you Omega Knights out there..... I really valued all your replies and as a newbie with a teething problem like this, time was to put the call out to the faithful omega knightes  :D.

Anyhow, all is well now and with the excellent help of an ebayer seller Omega52.....job done  :y :y.

 :oThe fault lay internally within the petrol tank area, a small split had slowly opened up over time from gentle abrasion.  The coil or single loop in appearance, type rubber fuel pipe that is connected at the top of the pump (feed outlet) and being the 2.6 version, this one pipe is also sheathed in a protective plastic webbing, unlike the 3.2 variant the same fuel pipe version appears with no outer protective sleeve.  This is probably due to the 3.2 fuel pipe having a deeper coil or loop within its overall shape of the pipe, which allows a greater clearance from the white plastic housing that contains the petrol pump.
   
On closer inspection of what caused the chaffing in the first place, creating the tiny split.  First the outer protective sheathing/webbing is too short for the job it was intended for, the fuel pipe is approx 13 inches in length and the protective webbing is approx 6 inches in length.  The gist of the tale, is that due to shape of of the 2.6 looped shaped fuel pipe and the closer proximity to the plastic pump housing (unlike the 3.2 version affording an extra 2 inches in clearance), this fuel pipe was actually being chaffed from one of the 3 plastic lugs that protrude from the top, outer rim of the plastic fuel housing through the constant action of the changing fuel levels within the tank.  Vauxhall people probably knew of this potential issue hence the protective sleeve on 2.6 version, if only they had made it a couple of inches longer in length a greater degree of protection would entail although it only took 17 years since rolling of the production line for the fault to occur, not bad i suppose ::).  The upshot being i have a lot of spares now as these original parts are not available from vauxhall any more :( 

Hope this helps, once again a grateful thanks to all who took the time to share their knowledge on this :y     

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Omega General Help / Re: cold start issue and fuel trim error
« on: 08 January 2019, 20:36:34 »
 to the doc,  yes...broadly speaking  :y 

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Omega General Help / Re: cold start issue and fuel trim error
« on: 08 January 2019, 20:31:21 »
I would be initially expecting leaky injectors.

Next time, fully floor (I mean fully floor) then crank.  It shouldn't start, but should clear fuel from cylinder. Then start normally.

Hi to 'The Boy'....tried your advice this morning as you exactly said.  Result was a first time crank over and an immediate start up, (not a long crank over as is the case each morning either, just a normal and healthy cold morning start), an immediate fire up plus, plus, plus no lumpiness or spluter or difficulty whatsoever.  Why did it catch on the 1st attempt and not the 2nd turn over??  It was a good feeling but short lived as i pondered what is happening.  Is it a tired pump or a very slow leaky injector, that takes 12hrs or more to present itself as a poor start in a following morning.  Well ive got a bosch pump ordered....take it from there and thanks again for your guidance and advice  :y 

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Omega General Help / Re: cold start issue and fuel trim error
« on: 07 January 2019, 20:41:31 »
Am all confused now lol.  Hey thanks i guess it certainly is poss with regards to leaky petrol and injectors.  In the morning i am going to try the floor test then crank engine, wont start, on 2nd attempt it should, someone advised me in the thread....  see wht happens. Ta for the injector side...

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Omega General Help / Re: cold start issue and fuel trim error
« on: 07 January 2019, 19:56:55 »
thanks to all that have replied, at this point i am leaning to the fuel pump as the good doc says "a weak pump will allow fuel to seep back to the tank".  It may be few days to a week to address this as work commiitments begin, but whatever it is i shall tell all from the rooftops lol.
One last query, if the injectors are leaking slightly, i have never smelt petrol in the cabin or around engine!!

Thanks ...

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Omega General Help / Re: cold start issue and fuel trim error
« on: 07 January 2019, 17:47:09 »
thank you omega knight, again very helpfull.  I will post a reponse once i have sorted this problem out....

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Omega General Help / Re: cold start issue and fuel trim error
« on: 07 January 2019, 15:51:22 »
Hi thanks for the ideas and pointers and much appreciated.  I will probably look at the fuel pump as next item, and if that does not resolve issue i will take aim at the injectors.  Re; injectors there is never whiff of petrol.  Fuel filter changed 4weeks ago.  When i have resolved this problem i will post the outcome

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Omega General Help / Re: cold start issue and fuel trim error
« on: 07 January 2019, 14:40:46 »
Hi....always keep it full or nearly.  Its a saloon, we do about 20k a year in it. Ta

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Omega General Help / cold start issue and fuel trim error
« on: 07 January 2019, 14:28:30 »
Hi...on my 2002 2.6 V6 omega it takes a long crank over to start engine from cold (5sec or more, when it has finally fired up, it is vey lumpy for a further 5 secs untill fuel (i guess) normalises pressure.
Yesterday and this morning when engine caught and settled after 10 sec i turned engine off and re cranked engine immediately.  All ok, no problems started as if all is normal, repeted this a further 5 times, never missed a beat started fine with no lumpyness in the first 10sec or so of being fired up.  What i have changed recently 4 weeks ago, 6 bosch plugs, delphi coil packs, fuel filter, GM fuel pressure regulator and GM temperature sensor all to no avail.  Could it be an issue with the fuel pump or possible air leaks.  The garage i go to did a fuel pressure test and noted when engine was switched off the pressure dropped. The garage is running another check on this today.  Is it normal for pressure to drop after switching engine off??  As for everthing else, all runs very well, after the initial difficult cold engine start the car is perfect for the rest of the day until the next following morning.  Forgot to mention the fuel trim error is present. Any help or suggestions greatly received.  dunc52       

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