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Re: Tower block fire
« Reply #45 on: 16 June 2017, 11:55:33 »

1930s blocks are good solid buildings... ;)

70's stuff less so... built on the cheap by imported slave labour because everyone here was on strike :-X

Doesn't matter if it's 'normal' for the area... it's a ludicrous amount of money...

Similar ball park gets you this...

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-67010357.html

Similar property gets you this...

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-67002587.html

Incidentally, this property...

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-67028033.html was one of three office buildings... two of which have just been converted to luxury appartments...

This... https://youtu.be/nAr40ycnlz8 is the third building  :-X
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Re: Tower block fire
« Reply #46 on: 16 June 2017, 12:13:34 »

1930s blocks are good solid buildings... ;)

70's stuff less so... built on the cheap by imported slave labour because everyone here was on strike :-X

Doesn't matter if it's 'normal' for the area... it's a ludicrous amount of money...

Similar ball park gets you this...

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-67010357.html

Similar property gets you this...

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-67002587.html

Incidentally, this property...

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-67028033.html was one of three office buildings... two of which have just been converted to luxury appartments...

This... https://youtu.be/nAr40ycnlz8 is the third building  :-X

I'd agree, but you pay for the life-style. I loved living in Acton, less than 10 min walk to Central Line/Pic/District/Overground/Main Line and sub 30 mins easily anywhere in central London. That's what you pay for....

But yes I would not pay that either, live at home or outside London and save up to buy and put your money into a mortgage, renting is just a waste.
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Re: Tower block fire
« Reply #47 on: 16 June 2017, 12:52:36 »

Before buying my first house in the eighties I rented for 6 years. With the amount  I paid in rent and the restrictions on what you could and could not do to the property I decided not to pay any more 'dead money'

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Re: Tower block fire
« Reply #48 on: 16 June 2017, 16:07:41 »

Are the BBC going to stand outside until every single person is accounted for? I wish it would piss down with rain.
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Re: Tower block fire
« Reply #49 on: 16 June 2017, 16:25:53 »

Are the BBC going to stand outside until every single person is accounted for? I wish it would piss down with rain.

Watched BBC News last night, 95% just on the tower, they flip back to the studio for about 30 seconds of other news, then it's back to the tower.

It's a big news item, but I find the wall to wall coverage and useless side notes tiresome.
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Re: Tower block fire
« Reply #50 on: 16 June 2017, 16:37:30 »

I see they've stormed the council offices. Looks like a news report from.......overseas.  :-X
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Re: Tower block fire
« Reply #51 on: 16 June 2017, 17:24:20 »

I would bet that the "protest" is the usual Labour / momentum/ SWP (all the same thing now under Corbyn) - rent a mob.   ;)
Corbyn and his band of Trots are calling for local empty houses to be requisitioned. A  bit of state seizure of property would get them very excited.
However the human rights act so beloved by the yoghurt knitters apparently forbids this. A classic case of left wing thinking disappearing up its own arse, because it never bears close scrutiny.
Meanwhile it turns out that Kensington council actually has more than half of the houses needed sitting empty, and councils in the surrounding area should be able to chip in to supply the rest. So the dreams of the opportunist Socialists look doomed once again.
Imo, the fact that this turned party political while the flames were still burning is utterly contemptible.
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Re: Tower block fire
« Reply #52 on: 16 June 2017, 17:44:09 »

Anyone paying £1,700 a month to live there wants sectioning...
I agree. I wouldn't pay £1.70 to live there.

But even if I did want to, that is an incredible amount of money, and I'd wager the only people who can afford to are those claiming benefits.

Generally, those earning good money in London don't want to live in the shithole areas, so either go to posh places in London, or out in the suburbs.  Those on the low paid workforce can't afford to live in London.  Which leaves fewer choices...
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Re: Tower block fire
« Reply #53 on: 16 June 2017, 17:46:03 »

It's a big news item, but I find the wall to wall coverage and useless side notes tiresome.
I was feeling that during the day it happened.  And I'd suggest if it happened outside of London (or Manchester, for the beeb), it wouldn't have been quite so intense coverage for quite so long.
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Re: Tower block fire
« Reply #54 on: 16 June 2017, 18:20:30 »

If the local council is so shit, why weren't they elected out at the local elections a month ago?

Also how many of those storming the council offices were residents of the block? Any one not a resident should be charged for breaches of the peace at least.

#Just asking...
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Re: Tower block fire
« Reply #55 on: 16 June 2017, 18:51:45 »

 Under current building regulations (2006) only the surface of the cladding has to be fire-proofed to class 0, which is about surface spread. The crap behind, more often than not foam insulation or polyethylene (PE) doesn`t.
In the States these types of cladding panels (most notably PE) are banned from being used on properties exceeding 40 feet in height.
Says it all really
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Re: Tower block fire
« Reply #56 on: 16 June 2017, 18:59:57 »

Reports are now coming in that the cladding used on this building was a cheaper, less fire safe, example than is actually available at £2 more per panel.

So, as I have said, one of the richest boroughs in one of the worlds richest city fitted sub standard panels as it was housing for the poor. A bloody disgrace, and no doubt will result in heads rolling. The police have launched a criminal investigation, gathering evidence, already
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Re: Tower block fire
« Reply #57 on: 16 June 2017, 19:04:49 »

Reports are now coming in that the cladding used on this building was a cheaper, less fire safe, example than is actually available at £2 more per panel.

So, as I have said, one of the richest boroughs in one of the worlds richest city fitted sub standard panels as it was housing for the poor. A bloody disgrace, and no doubt will result in heads rolling. The police have launched a criminal investigation, gathering evidence, already
Ffs, really?

If it had been your property, and you needed 1500 panels, you would buy the £20 ones instead of the £22. Any of us would, so stop being such a sodding hypocrite.
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Re: Tower block fire
« Reply #58 on: 16 June 2017, 19:08:13 »

Reports are now coming in that the cladding used on this building was a cheaper, less fire safe, example than is actually available at £2 more per panel.

So, as I have said, one of the richest boroughs in one of the worlds richest city fitted sub standard panels as it was housing for the poor. A bloody disgrace, and no doubt will result in heads rolling. The police have launched a criminal investigation, gathering evidence, already
Unfortunately, no council is flush with cash.  There is not an infinite pot.  And post of the taxes collected have to go on other things, deemed more important by the do-gooders.

TBH, *IF* it is the cladding, they would have been better off doing SFA, but these places are deemed to need regeneration, and the same do-gooders say they needed better insulation.


So possibly the heads that need to roll aren't those poor sods trying to make the money stretch, but those that come up with unworkable, expensive ideas.
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Re: Tower block fire
« Reply #59 on: 16 June 2017, 19:12:39 »

The core was clearly as much on fire as the outside... Be surprised if the final tally isn't well over 150...

It ain't right and it sure ain't fair. But life's like that sometimes.
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