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[STEMO]

They're only proposing the outlawing of NEW ice cars by 2030.

Whilst that isn't that far away, they'll be around for a little while yet. That said, better get a wriggle on if you want to own an interesting car while you still can.

I read an article that reckoned diesels would be gone (as new models) by 2022. Why would they continue to make them?

[dave the builder]

manufacturers may stop R&D on new tractor juice powered engines soon
but i expect they will continue to sell current models way into this decade ,because people WILL buy them

[Doctor Gollum]

Diesel powered cars are on the wall, Volvo for one are stopping diesel car production in the near future, petrol powered not yet...

I can't quite wrap my head around the difference between a plug in hybrid and a self charging one... As by definition any hybrid has the capacity to self charge

Ethanol was supposed to be the next great thing until they realised how much rainforest is cleared to grow the cane to produce it. Remember being taught about that at Prep school...

Biodiesel was supposed to be the immediate solution to regular diesel, but not without its issues either.

https://www.shell.com/energy-and-innovation/natural-gas/gas-to-liquids.html could be the future of compression combustion fuels... Not heard much of it recently though

Lots of innovative fads in the 'green' quest.

[Viral_Jim]

I read an article that reckoned diesels would be gone (as new models) by 2022. Why would they continue to make them?

Because car manufacturers have Billions in assets on their balance sheets in relation to R&D, tooling etc that's related to diesels.

If they admit they're no longer viable, or stop selling them, they have to write all that money off. So they'll keep hawking them for the foreseeable future.

 It's one of the reasons that ev prices have stayed so high despite a significant fall in the price of batteries. It's a way for manufacturers to artificially deflate demand, "EVs are too expensive to buy" is a nice self fulfilling prophecy.

[STEMO]

From 'This is money'

The fast-tracked ban on new cars with internal combustion engines will - without doubt - have much larger implications for petrol vehicles than it will for diesels.

That's because oil burners will be long gone from widespread sale in showrooms before 2030.

Manufacturers have been responding to a monumental decline in demand for diesels in recent years by pulling them from their line-ups already.

Before VW's Dieselgate emissions cheating scandal in 2015, diesels accounted for 50 per cent of all new cars registered in the UK. In 2020, they contribute to just 16 per cent of sales and continue to slide.

Whereas once they were seen as the answer to reducing carbon emissions, they are now seen as the problem for air pollution.

Diesel cars make up just 16.6% of new car registrations so far in 2020. BEVs, PHEVs and HEVs collectively almost match oil burners, with 16% of the UK's market share   +16
Diesel cars make up just 16.6% of new car registrations so far in 2020. BEVs, PHEVs and HEVs collectively almost match oil burners, with 16% of the UK's market share

Reacting to this cliff-edge decline in demand, the likes of Ford, Honda and Renault in recent months have committed to removing some - or all – diesel-engine cars from their ranges, either with immediate effect or from the beginning of 2021.

They join the likes of Volvo, Porsche, Fiat, Alfa Romeo, Nissan, Lexus and Toyota - to name just a few - who have already scheduled an end of development for diesel engines.

It means the chances of walking into a showroom in 2029 and having the choice of buying a diesel-engined car is slim to none. In fact, diesel will almost be at death's door by the end of 2021. 

[Nick W]

manufacturers may stop R&D on new tractor juice powered engines soon
but i expect they will continue to sell current models way into this decade ,because people WILL buy them

Of course they will, because diesels are, and will continue to be, very useful tools. The infrastructure is firmly in place, buyers, users and repairers understand them and realistic alternatives are sparse.


Their popularity will drop off as the disadvantages of the alternatives are worked upon, and the artificial deadline approaches. Those two things are directly connected.


Whether effective solutions are possible without everyone forcibly changing their habits - which is the only long-term solution -  is a gamble.

[dave the builder]

probably time to fill a swimming pool with diesel while it's cheap to run the back up generator when we do go all electric 

[Doctor Gollum]

probably time to fill a swimming pool with diesel while it's cheap to run the back up generator when we do go all electric 

I'm sure the fish will appreciate that

[Nick W]

probably time to fill a swimming pool with diesel while it's cheap to run the back up generator when we do go all electric 

Clockwork. Get the kids to wind it

[johnnydog]

In 2019 Audi introduced their new model of the performance S4 models with a 3.0 V6 turbo diesel engine producing 342bhp, with mild hybrid technology. It is currently only available as a diesel in European markets, whilst elsewhere such as the US, it is available with a 3.0 V6 petrol engine.
https://www.uk.audi.com/uk/web/en/models/a4/s4-avant/engines.html
Who says diesels are dead and buried? Audi don't seem to think so......

[Sir Tigger KC]

Daimler-Benz announced the other day that they will not be designing any new internal combustion engines going forward....

[dave the builder]

probably time to fill a swimming pool with diesel while it's cheap to run the back up generator when we do go all electric 

Clockwork. Get the kids to wind it

My daughter is quite tired after a 12 hour shift at a care home
the grandkids have plenty of energy though 

probably time to fill a swimming pool with diesel while it's cheap to run the back up generator when we do go all electric 

I'm sure the fish will appreciate that

the fish are too picky to drink tap  water ,let alone tractor juice 

[B52]

I suppose the main influences are environmental pressure, oil production and what the consumer wants.

The first was already happening in terms of progressively stricter emissions. As an aside, I recently ended up behind a 1990s Merc in traffic and the exhaust fumes were really strong. Strange to think most cars would have been like that at the time.

At some point, there will be a shift away from oil just as there was from coal. I think it'll be progressive for cars as liquid fuel is so convenient.

The last part is more tricky - if the industry stops producing ICE cars, we can't buy them any more (like it or not). But that's not to say we'll definitely buy what they produce instead. A lot will hold onto what they have while this develops, particularly while the economy is uncertain. And I could see a bigger shift towards PCP or similar, with no commitment to own in the long term.

Related, the GM EV1 could only be leased -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1

[Doctor Gollum]

It's all well and good pricing people out of cars, but if you have no viable alternative, how do you get around/to work? Working from home isn't practical for every job either... There's about enough room to park an A320 on the communal space, but it would have to be dropped in

Public transport wouldn't be any use as it can barely cope as it is and is unpredictable at the best of times.

So either wages go up. Alot to cover the extra costs of doing anything or we all end up sitting in our bank owned properties waiting for food parcels

[Rangie]

It just goes to show that the whole business has not been thought about sensibly , although work for many may never be the same again transport for the masses must be available at reasonable cost.