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Re: ULEZ
« Reply #30 on: 10 April 2019, 12:25:41 »

Would add I'm back at Uni studying... Automotive Design; so of course I have to be in the 'make the world a better place' camp, and that I am. At the same time adore classic and 'proper' cars (why run a 23 yr old 6cyl car if I don't?) and think its a two sided coin.

So...
a charge/tarriff/tax/encouragement against using higher polluting vehicles, thus reducing local emissions - AGREE
a charge based around the false assumption that any vehicle under a certain age pollutes less than any vehicle above a certain age - AGAINST

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Wrong. Raising revenue is not the same as reducing emissions.

Correct......they may not be mutually exclusive though. :)
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« Reply #31 on: 10 April 2019, 17:08:35 »

And in addition to my previous post, this is the statement issued by the Mayor of London in response to a petition, which I for one signed, for him and Amber Rudd to act on working towards tackling London's increasing gun and knife crime:


"Sadiq Khan’s response

Sadiq Khan
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10 APR 2019 — Dear Petitioner,

Thank you for the petition submitted on the change.org website about your concerns around rising knife crime.

The Mayor understands your concerns and has made tackling violence a key priority. He has been clear that the levels of violence, which have risen in London and around the country, are too high. Every life lost to violence is a tragedy and every injury has serious impacts on those affected and touches London’s wider communities.

The Mayor has urged the Government to reverse the £850 million of cuts forced on the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS), because of Government underfunding. The MPS has already had to make significant cuts since 2013-14 and will be required to reduce expenditure by a further £263 million by 2022-23.

To make up for these cuts the Mayor has recently announced through his budget that he will be giving an additional £234 million for policing and tackling crime. This includes the £95 million announced earlier in the budget process which has been funded mostly from an 11% increase to the Mayor’s council tax policing precept which is an equivalent of 46p a week. These funds will be used to enable the police to carry out the vital work of protecting our city, through initiatives like the Violent Crime Task Force (VCTF) which enables the MPS to be even more proactive on the streets of the capital, bearing down on violent crime and serious criminality.

The VCTF has already achieved a number of successes, between its launch in in April 2018 and February 2019, the taskforce has carried out 5,910 weapons sweeps, recovered 610 knives, 450 offensive weapons, 230 firearms and arrested 3,049 suspects.

However, the Mayor is aware that enforcement is not the only solution and therefore he has committed £6.8 million to establish a Violence Reduction Unit (VRU). The VRU will include specialists in health, youth and social services to lead a long-term public health approach to tackle the causes of violent crime. The VRU will build on the approaches taken in Glasgow, where a similar approach has delivered large reductions in violence over the past decade.

In addition, the Mayor has also created the Young Londoners Fund (YLF) to help London’s children and young people fulfil their potential, particularly those at risk of getting caught up in crime. The Mayor’s initial investment of £45 million into the YLF will support a range of education, sport and cultural activities for children and young people, at a time when government cuts have had a devastating impact on the preventative and youth services which we need to keep our city safe.

Finally, the Mayor’s ongoing social media campaign LondonNeedsYouAlive #LNYA raises awareness of the consequences of knife crime and provides reassurance and advice for people who are concerned about someone’s involvement in knife crime. A toolkit has been developed for schools, colleges, community groups, parents and others to make use of the campaign’s materials. More details about this, and other work carried out by the Mayor’s Office, can be found on the City Hall website through the following link: www.london.gov.uk/london-needs-you-alive.

Taken together, this short-term enforcement by the police and long-term preventative activity in London will deliver a relentless focus on tackling knife crime and violence across the capital.

Once again, thank you for petitioning about this important issue. I hope that this provides some reassurance that the Mayor is committed to doing all he can to tackle the rise in knife crime in London and making London an even safer place for all.

Yours sincerely


Public Liaison Unit
Greater London Authority"


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So, once more I would stress that the mayor is not "useless" and is in fact actively spending additional funds in his budget to increase police numbers (not enough of other leaders are actually doing this) and other initiatives to tackle the challenge.

But, hey, let's not let facts get in the way of being negative and insulting!

Some of us actually make an effort to take the practical action we can and not print untruths/twaddle whilst doing nothing to help  ::) ::) ::)
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Re: ULEZ
« Reply #32 on: 10 April 2019, 17:42:50 »

Nothing more than political rhetoric and pacifying drivel served on an undertone of patronizing contempt.
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« Reply #33 on: 10 April 2019, 18:39:24 »

Nothing more than political rhetoric and pacifying drivel served on an undertone of patronizing contempt.

As cynical as ever ::) ::) ;D ;D ;)
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« Reply #34 on: 10 April 2019, 19:06:36 »

Not at all. It read like a manifesto pledge. When's he up for reelection removal?

Only 13 months left... ::)
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« Reply #35 on: 10 April 2019, 19:17:52 »

Not at all. It read like a manifesto pledge. When's he up for reelection removal?

Only 13 months left... ::)
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The sooner he goes the better, a very dangerous man is my opinion & nothing will change that.
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« Reply #36 on: 10 April 2019, 19:47:15 »

So one of my neighbours boys is an electrician & has given me a breakdown of how much it is going to cost him to work in Westminster for a week

Congestion charge.                      £11.50 per day
Ulez                                           £12.50 per day
Parking diesel van in area            £55.30 per day as diesel vans pay more per hour for 7 hours

Total he spends out before earning £396.50 per week

Good to see Sadiq Kant is doing a grand job, Crossrail, Woolwich ferry & as long as he throws money various different initiatives to tackle knife crime all is well  :(
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« Reply #37 on: 10 April 2019, 20:26:43 »

So one of my neighbours boys is an electrician & has given me a breakdown of how much it is going to cost him to work in Westminster for a week

Congestion charge.                      £11.50 per day
Ulez                                           £12.50 per day
Parking diesel van in area            £55.30 per day as diesel vans pay more per hour for 7 hours

Total he spends out before earning £396.50 per week

Good to see Sadiq Kant is doing a grand job, Crossrail, Woolwich ferry & as long as he throws money various different initiatives to tackle knife crime all is well  :(
You're not telling me he's actually going to turn up for work without passing those charges on?
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« Reply #38 on: 10 April 2019, 20:48:06 »

Presumably that's why everything costs so much in Lundun ::)

Legalized racketeering is all the congestion charge et al are :-X

Not saying that the Krays and their ilk were any different, but at least they made no bones about their business and their patches were orderly places where people could actually live safely.
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« Reply #39 on: 10 April 2019, 22:04:22 »

So one of my neighbours boys is an electrician & has given me a breakdown of how much it is going to cost him to work in Westminster for a week

Congestion charge.                      £11.50 per day
Ulez                                           £12.50 per day
Parking diesel van in area            £55.30 per day as diesel vans pay more per hour for 7 hours

Total he spends out before earning £396.50 per week

Good to see Sadiq Kant is doing a grand job, Crossrail, Woolwich ferry & as long as he throws money various different initiatives to tackle knife crime all is well  :(
You're not telling me he's actually going to turn up for work without passing those charges on?

He will pass the charges on to his client who is a major bank so no probs, but that’s not the point. Instead of beating the motorist to death financially because London streets can’t cope with traffic flow the congestion charge was introduced in the hope it will cut down on congestion, didn’t work, then they introduce cycle lanes cutting road capacity for those who travel in the hope more people will cycle to work, result, more cyclists were killed by lorries at junctions as the drivers could not see them, then they realise that dedicating one lane of a two lane highway to cyclists increases pollution as motorists cannot drift in to cycle lanes for fear of being prosecuted by London’s many cash raising cameras so they sit in even longer traffic jams creating breathing problems for the few that can afford to live & work there, so hello Ulez zone, just wondering what charge they will dream up next for us drivers  :(
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« Reply #40 on: 10 April 2019, 22:14:14 »

So one of my neighbours boys is an electrician & has given me a breakdown of how much it is going to cost him to work in Westminster for a week

Congestion charge.                      £11.50 per day
Ulez                                           £12.50 per day
Parking diesel van in area            £55.30 per day as diesel vans pay more per hour for 7 hours

Total he spends out before earning £396.50 per week

Good to see Sadiq Kant is doing a grand job, Crossrail, Woolwich ferry & as long as he throws money various different initiatives to tackle knife crime all is well  :(
You're not telling me he's actually going to turn up for work without passing those charges on?

He will pass the charges on to his client who is a major bank so no probs, but that’s not the point. Instead of beating the motorist to death financially because London streets can’t cope with traffic flow the congestion charge was introduced in the hope it will cut down on congestion, didn’t work, then they introduce cycle lanes cutting road capacity for those who travel in the hope more people will cycle to work, result, more cyclists were killed by lorries at junctions as the drivers could not see them, then they realise that dedicating one lane of a two lane highway to cyclists increases pollution as motorists cannot drift in to cycle lanes for fear of being prosecuted by London’s many cash raising cameras so they sit in even longer traffic jams creating breathing problems for the few that can afford to live & work there, so hello Ulez zone, just wondering what charge they will dream up next for us drivers  :(
I lived there, hence drove there, for almost ten years. That was almost thirty years ago, and it was horrendous even then. TFL should be made to run an all electric fleet of buses and taxi drivers should be given a financial incentive to switch to hybrid/electric. That would be a good start.
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« Reply #41 on: 10 April 2019, 22:36:55 »

Making them pay the congestion charge and emissions charge would be a good start.

Adding £9k to their annual license fee would do it* :y

*Might be against their uman rights, but a bit of apoplexia every once in a while is good for the soul ;D
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« Reply #42 on: 10 April 2019, 22:49:27 »

I've posted this before, but it bears repeating:


we are going to have to accept that our use of vehicles, particularly personal ones, is not sustainable. It hasn't been for a while, but the emotional response to this problem shows that we won't accept it without a big change. And that will be worse than us doing it willingly. Reducing the amount of vehicles in cities must happen, and charging for their use is the way to start doing this.
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« Reply #43 on: 11 April 2019, 18:19:23 »

The London Mayor is on the cull list. But not because of this, because I never, ever, ever want to go to London. Who would.
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« Reply #44 on: 11 April 2019, 22:39:36 »

Of course, there was a time when a tradesman like an electrician would have turned up with a tool box. Now they seem to need a whole van full of junk to do the same job, as evidenced every time an estate of new houses rabbit hutches goes up and you can't park for miles around the site. ::)
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