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'96 N Elite... its value?
« on: 25 July 2006, 10:02:15 »

Might be able to get a '95 N Elite for £500, MOT 11 months left, some tax, 126k miles, looks in very good conidtion.

AT has same examples going for a grand, could i make money on it?
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #1 on: 25 July 2006, 10:18:45 »

grrr never mind, now they want £600. stuff that!!!
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #2 on: 25 July 2006, 10:28:01 »

You could of made money if it needed nothing doing to it.....
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #3 on: 25 July 2006, 10:36:19 »

really? humm did't think i could get much more for it, just found out it has no tax now. Auction said it was being used dailey at the moment to the millage would be higher  :-?

My thoughts were, a good clean inside and out, and AT it for £995
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #4 on: 25 July 2006, 14:48:54 »

The best way to make money on one is to pick one up that needs work, old favourites being gearbox failure (usually 2.5TD's) and oil cooler failure (wrongly diagnosed as head gasket on the V6).
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #5 on: 25 July 2006, 16:43:20 »

theres money in a £600 elite

but i will get shot if i said you had to break it and sell it to make it back  :-[

Unless its in real good condition it may not be worth the hassle for a few hundred.

Mind you i saw on autotrader through a central scotland dealer a

44k elite 3.0 v6 estate.....

Who wants to guess what they want for it????
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #6 on: 25 July 2006, 19:25:50 »

ohh pre-facelift i guess? 2.5k??

@ Laidback yeah i have seen many "Head Gasket" fails going on eBay, can i ask a daft question and say.... what is a head gasket!  :-[

Can a V6 be driven with a HG fail?
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #7 on: 25 July 2006, 19:54:36 »

probably not, certainly not far...
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #8 on: 25 July 2006, 19:58:43 »

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probably not, certainly not far...


Hummm ah well, I take it an Auto can be towed if its put into Netruel?
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #9 on: 25 July 2006, 20:02:32 »

not for far and not at any speed...
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #10 on: 25 July 2006, 20:36:51 »

Its easy to disconnect the prop shaft and then you can tow an auto as far as you like...

And is surprising how far you can drive a car witha  failed headgasket, simply fill the header tank right up and dont put the lid on....then keep topping with water regularly.

The coolant system doesnt pressurise so the water loss is minimal and the escaping cylinder gases have a place to go....
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #11 on: 25 July 2006, 21:54:39 »

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Its easy to disconnect the prop shaft and then you can tow an auto as far as you like...

And is surprising how far you can drive a car witha  failed headgasket, simply fill the header tank right up and dont put the lid on....then keep topping with water regularly.

The coolant system doesnt pressurise so the water loss is minimal and the escaping cylinder gases have a place to go....


head gasket failure ( hgf) can be driven, as long as coolant is checked, topped up, Engine temperature is watched and its not hammered.

Recently had a rver 25 gti drive from glasgow to cardiff with, , , youve guessed it, HGF
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #12 on: 25 July 2006, 21:56:53 »

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Recently had a rver 25 gti drive from glasgow to cardiff with, , , youve guessed it, HGF
HG failure on a 1.8 K series? Surely not ;)
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #13 on: 25 July 2006, 21:58:23 »

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Its easy to disconnect the prop shaft and then you can tow an auto as far as you like...

And is surprising how far you can drive a car witha  failed headgasket, simply fill the header tank right up and dont put the lid on....then keep topping with water regularly.

The coolant system doesnt pressurise so the water loss is minimal and the escaping cylinder gases have a place to go....


head gasket failure ( hgf) can be driven, as long as coolant is checked, topped up, Engine temperature is watched and its not hammered.

Recently had a rver 25 gti drive from glasgow to cardiff with, , , youve guessed it, HGF


Ok ermm wow! thats opened some options!

This "header tank", this is the coolant tank? Left hand tank usually yellowy colour, & the stuff that gets really hot undernomal driving? do you fill it right up with coolant and then just water??

I take it when you get back you do a system flush?
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #14 on: 25 July 2006, 21:58:42 »

yeah, would you believe it  :o

Something wrong with a k if it aint had HGF by 60000 miles.
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #15 on: 25 July 2006, 21:59:54 »

My 1.6 Rover 25 has done 62k, HG (touch wood) is OK, but not bored out as much as 1.8, so probably more gasket material...
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #16 on: 25 July 2006, 22:08:39 »

1.8 and 1.4 seems to be worse. 1.6 seems to be a bit better..

a few gasket changes around 2000 to reduce the issue and then again when the zr came in - what year is yours Jamie?

Having said that i had a 97000 mile vi with no hgf. You pays your money...takes your chances
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #17 on: 25 July 2006, 22:15:41 »

I am also looking at a car thats descibed as:

"1 CYLINDER HEAD GASKET HAS BLOWN"

It goes on to say a garage quoted £400, could this be a oil cooler problem?

Its plod estate 130k miles
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #18 on: 25 July 2006, 22:26:56 »

possible? probable! hgf on a v6 omega is as rare ;)
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #19 on: 25 July 2006, 22:34:35 »

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possible? probable! hgf on a v6 omega is as rare ;)


Hummmm very interesting, being an plod one it would have been maintained well, oil changes ect... so quite probable its oil cooler! Well thats another possible  :)

With the above description of the failer, it could do what MarksDTM said to drive it back?

What do you do exactly, fill up the coolant system (to the brim?) with coolant, leave the cap off then as it uses coolant on the drive back just keep filling it up with water?
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #20 on: 26 July 2006, 08:18:14 »

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1.8 and 1.4 seems to be worse. 1.6 seems to be a bit better..

a few gasket changes around 2000 to reduce the issue and then again when the zr came in - what year is yours Jamie?

Having said that i had a 97000 mile vi with no hgf. You pays your money...takes your chances
2000, built Feb 2000 (not that I had access to such stats  ;))
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #21 on: 26 July 2006, 08:19:03 »

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Hummmm very interesting, being an plod one it would have been maintained well, oil changes ect... so quite probable its oil cooler! Well thats another possible  :)

With the above description of the failer, it could do what MarksDTM said to drive it back?

What do you do exactly, fill up the coolant system (to the brim?) with coolant, leave the cap off then as it uses coolant on the drive back just keep filling it up with water?
Driving on a duff oil cooler will require extensive flushing of cooling system afterwards...
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #22 on: 26 July 2006, 08:36:42 »

Clarification. :)

Head gasket failure. VERY rare on the V6. If it does happpen, it is most likely down to using pure water in the cooling system for a damn long time and driving the car very hard.
As Mark says. Remove cap to depressurise system and you can drive a suprisingly long way (gently!) Water mixes with oil causing creamy mayo in filler cap AND on the dipstick.
Lubriaction properties of the oil are compromised, but not a concern unless driving long distances!

Oil cooler failure. Much more common, especially on pre 1998 cars. Post 1998 had a much better stainless steel cooler.
When this goes, the coolant rapidly turn from water, to brown goo, which block the radiator and the coolant pipes, resulting in a car that overheats quickly...and will cause HG failure if driven for any length of time that way!  ;)

Bear this in mind when considering...
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #23 on: 26 July 2006, 08:53:26 »

Just part exchanged the daughters MGF (Multiple Gasket Failures ;D) because the head gasket had gone for the second time
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #24 on: 26 July 2006, 09:53:53 »

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Clarification. :)

Head gasket failure. VERY rare on the V6. If it does happpen, it is most likely down to using pure water in the cooling system for a damn long time and driving the car very hard.
As Mark says. Remove cap to depressurise system and you can drive a suprisingly long way (gently!) Water mixes with oil causing creamy mayo in filler cap AND on the dipstick.
Lubriaction properties of the oil are compromised, but not a concern unless driving long distances!

Oil cooler failure. Much more common, especially on pre 1998 cars. Post 1998 had a much better stainless steel cooler.
When this goes, the coolant rapidly turn from water, to brown goo, which block the radiator and the coolant pipes, resulting in a car that overheats quickly...and will cause HG failure if driven for any length of time that way!  ;)

Bear this in mind when considering...

To Clarify again..

So if the HG has gone you can drive it from the seller back home, just add lots of coolant?

But if its the Oil Cooler which has gone, which is going to be much more likely the coolant tank will be full of brown goo, being to thick to cool the   engine, and cannot be driven very far?

I have seen some cars which are about 150 miles away from me with a HG failier (prob oil cooler from description) have it low-loaded here would be very expensive  :(
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #25 on: 26 July 2006, 12:29:19 »

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Clarification. :)

Head gasket failure. VERY rare on the V6. If it does happpen, it is most likely down to using pure water in the cooling system for a damn long time and driving the car very hard.
As Mark says. Remove cap to depressurise system and you can drive a suprisingly long way (gently!) Water mixes with oil causing creamy mayo in filler cap AND on the dipstick.
Lubriaction properties of the oil are compromised, but not a concern unless driving long distances!

Oil cooler failure. Much more common, especially on pre 1998 cars. Post 1998 had a much better stainless steel cooler.
When this goes, the coolant rapidly turn from water, to brown goo, which block the radiator and the coolant pipes, resulting in a car that overheats quickly...and will cause HG failure if driven for any length of time that way!  ;)

Bear this in mind when considering...

To Clarify again..

So if the HG has gone you can drive it from the seller back home, just add lots of coolant?

But if its the Oil Cooler which has gone, which is going to be much more likely the coolant tank will be full of brown goo, being to thick to cool the   engine, and cannot be driven very far?

I have seen some cars which are about 150 miles away from me with a HG failier (prob oil cooler from description) have it low-loaded here would be very expensive  :(

To clarify.....hee hee

Drive with HGF - carefully yes, lots of spare coolant in bottles!

Drive with Oil Cooler failure - not recommended.

Thats from my experience anyway......really needs accurate diagnosis of problem first  :)
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #26 on: 26 July 2006, 17:58:30 »

do you have to use propper coolant bottles (red or blue) or can you get away with just water?

Say on a 100 mile run back home after buying the car?
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #27 on: 26 July 2006, 18:16:18 »

water should be ok for that short distance, but change it once you get home rather than leave it standing dor days/weeks whilst you fix it...
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Re: '96 N Elite... its value?
« Reply #28 on: 26 July 2006, 18:47:27 »

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water should be ok for that short distance, but change it once you get home rather than leave it standing dor days/weeks whilst you fix it...


Sounds good, seen a few examples on eBay which describe the "creamy" stuff under the oil filler cap, i assume its also a differnt colour to normal?

What is the replacement costs for a HG on a V6?

Also if the oil cooler is gone with the brown goo in the coolant tank, what if you did a coolant flush when picking up the car? Flush the system with a hose and put some fresh coolant in, i know it won't last very long.. but again maybe the 100 miles back home?
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