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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: pscocoa on 19 December 2018, 16:33:04
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My wife hit a large puddle in heavy rain last night. Drove home no problems but today all sots of warning lights and issues with alarm, power tailgate, airbag etc. Do we just wait for it to dry out?
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Yep, bit like the Vectra C's, more warning lights than a Christmas Tree, they should have shipped a free Code Resetter with every Car. :D
Having a Air Bag Light on could be a pain though. :-\
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Wifey's astra is being a pain too. Every time the front wheels lose traction, the traction control light comes on, along with the EML. Takes five clean starts to clear the EML. Can't see why it should come on.
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This is going to be expensive I think. RAC came out - their computer would not link to car so he disconnected battery - next thing car is on reconnecting car is immobilised and will not start. So RAC guy books recovery vehicle for tomorrow and after he has left calls back to say that his management has told him this is classed as driver error and so recovery not covered under RAC warranty. Neither is a hire car. You live and learn. I have 3 cars with RAC but not for much longer. RAC reckons ECU is problem - it may dry out he says!
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Wifey's astra is being a pain too. Every time the front wheels lose traction, the traction control light comes on, along with the EML. Takes five clean starts to clear the EML. Can't see why it should come on.
My little Astra has been brilliant - Auto and Petrol 1.6. Really please with it. Had it 4 years now.
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This is going to be expensive I think. RAC came out - their computer would not link to car so he disconnected battery - next thing car is on reconnecting car is immobilised and will not start. So RAC guy books recovery vehicle for tomorrow and after he has left calls back to say that his management has told him this is classed as driver error and so recovery not covered under RAC warranty. Neither is a hire car. You live and learn. I have 3 cars with RAC but not for much longer. RAC reckons ECU is problem - it may dry out he says!
Personally I wouldn't let the RAC take the Car away, you might as well potentially give them your Cheque Book and get the Vaseline Jar out.
Diss the Battery and let the Car dry out, the ECU on a VX car for that Year should be Sealed, but no harm in disconnecting it and take it indoors some where warm over night.
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It all seemed dry and no water in engine management unit next to battery. Battery itself was new in summer.
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check all fuses ,particularly the bcm fuses :y
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Sounds to me liek RAC broke it? Started fine before they starting unplugging stuff!
They decided to unplug battery? So in my view it’s their mistake.
I have a Vauxhall scanner if you want? It should read stuff better than standard scanner, it should do live data etc.
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Put the car into a skip full of rice and leave it in a warm place for a couple of days.
No need to thank me, Phil. :)
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Put the car into a skip full of rice and leave it in a warm place for a couple of days.
No need to thank me, Phil. :)
My wife is most impressed with your idea. Sheer genius,
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Sounds to me liek RAC broke it? Started fine before they starting unplugging stuff!
They decided to unplug battery? So in my view it’s their mistake.
I have a Vauxhall scanner if you want? It should read stuff better than standard scanner, it should do live data etc.
Thanks Mark. Will need to get it to dealer I am afraid as it was not responding to diagnostic before he disconnected battery. I am waiting to speak to rac management but fully expecting bullshit.
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I'm pretty sure that everything would have been ok once it was dried out. But....how a car would dry out properly in weather conditions such as we have now is debatable. A couple of days in a warm garage maybe.
Anyhow, we're past that stage now.
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Just to add, I don't think the ecu or suchlike would let in water. More likely a plug in the loom somewhere.
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Sounds to me liek RAC broke it? Started fine before they starting unplugging stuff!
They decided to unplug battery? So in my view it’s their mistake.
I have a Vauxhall scanner if you want? It should read stuff better than standard scanner, it should do live data etc.
Thanks Mark. Will need to get it to dealer I am afraid as it was not responding to diagnostic before he disconnected battery. I am waiting to speak to rac management but fully expecting bullshit.
Any Codes when you Pedal Trick it ?
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Just to add, I don't think the ecu or suchlike would let in water. More likely a plug in the loom somewhere.
I agree
which will possibly blow fuses ......
check all fuses ,particularly the bcm fuses :y
blown fuses will stop coms with bcm which is needed to comunicate with other modules on some vauxhalls
plugging into the code reader which no one talks about could be helpful :y
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REC is the favourite on these
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That would make sense but how would water penetrate. REC is on near side rear I believe which would take brunt of water. Cannot open boot at present just waiting for tow truck.
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Access boot from inside the car...
Tailgate can be popped by pulling the trim (may require interior handle being unscrewed first) and manually actuating the latch mechanism, although being an Elite will make it exceptionally hefty to open... Self closing is great. To a point.
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Access boot from inside the car...
Tailgate can be popped by pulling the trim (may require interior handle being unscrewed first) and manually actuating the latch mechanism, although being an Elite will make it exceptionally hefty to open... Self closing is great. To a point.
Thanks - it is now en route to dealer - quite a performance to get it into position - at first electronic handbrake would not come off but managed to sort it.
My days of doing more than bits and pieces with cars are long gone. It is only money!!
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Dealer advises it is indeed the REC but cause is nothing to do with car going through puddle. The culprit is the seal at top of tailgate and recent heavy rain just tipped the balance on a corroded REC. Will now try and get recovery fee back from RAC as this was not driver error.
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A straightforward fix then :y
Good luck with the RAC...
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What's an REC?
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What's an REC?
The rear end ECU. CANBUS based cars tend not to have ECUs for each function, but an ECU in different parts of the car which control local functions.
For example, your Astra-H doesn't have a Central Locking ECU, instead the BCM sends a signal to each door ECU to lock/unlock (and close/open windows if the function is available).
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In the case of the Vectra-C, from memory, the REC is responsible for all rear end electrics, like indicators, lighting, boot lock etc.
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What's an REC?
As said above, they put various ECU's/fuse boards in different parts of the vehicle and use abbreviations to show where they are.
For example,
REC = Rear Electrical Centre (in the boot)
UEC = Underhood Electrical Centre (under the bonnet)
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The rear end ECU. CANBUS based cars tend not to have ECUs for each function, but an ECU in different parts of the car which control local functions.
Because what cars have always needed is more electrical complexit :y
(I know - in reality this is done to lower costs because less wiring is needed and copper is expensive and complex to install and route, and because this allows fancier functions that we all need like chasing LED lights...)
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The rear end ECU. CANBUS based cars tend not to have ECUs for each function, but an ECU in different parts of the car which control local functions.
Because what cars have always needed is more electrical complexit :y
(I know - in reality this is done to lower costs because less wiring is needed and copper is expensive and complex to install and route, and because this allows fancier functions that we all need like chasing LED lights...)
Many reasons
1) Reduced weight
2) Reduced cost
3) Greater feature flexibility
4) Greater reliability (yes, connectors and cable are actually more prone to failure than electronics)
5) Fancier functions
etc etc etc
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That's four reasons then ;D
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RAC would not see logic of argument. My renewal of subscription was on 24th Dec - same day they said I could not appeal the recovery fee. So bye bye RAC. Retentions were not happy but they are unable to influence.
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RAC would not see logic of argument. My renewal of subscription was on 24th Dec - same day they said I could not appeal the recovery fee. So bye bye RAC. Retentions were not happy but they are unable to influence.
...and today you wrote them a nice letter explaining the small claims court process you would be following?
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Will need to get final report on Insignia before deciding what to do. Part arrived today so hopefully some news tomorrow
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All fixed REC was only culprit. They have had at least 3 such issues in last 3 months all REC related. Will take a look at small claims court for RAC now.
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https://www.resolver.co.uk/freeadvice/services/456/issues?territory=Default :y
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I had exactly the same issue with my insignia at the beginning of the year. Took me ages to find out the problem. I dried out the rear ecu and was ok despite being full of water apart from one pin that had rusted out but i fixed that with a sewing needle!!!!! Sealed up where the rain was coming in the top seal in the boot area. Also had to dry out the motor for the tail gate as that was full of water to.
There was a recall in the USA to do with this but vauxhall didn’t want to know :-\
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https://www.resolver.co.uk/freeadvice/services/456/issues?territory=Default :y
Used Resolver to file complaint. Many thanks.
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https://www.resolver.co.uk/freeadvice/services/456/issues?territory=Default :y
Used Resolver to file complaint. Many thanks.
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I had the same thing, check the ecu connections in the rear offside, mine was soaking wet causing the problems you have mentioned.
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https://www.resolver.co.uk/freeadvice/services/456/issues?territory=Default :y
Used Resolver to file complaint. Many thanks.
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RAC agreed to refund after I went through Resolver system. Very quick. I am now with AA as my sub to RAC expired on 24/12/18 and at that time were refusing to play ball on the refund. The evidence from Eden Vauxhall tipped the balance. Thanks all.
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https://www.resolver.co.uk/freeadvice/services/456/issues?territory=Default :y
This looks like a good service and I've bookmarked it for future reference as I have a potential dispute with my energy company in the offing! ::) :y
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Just trying it again today for an issue with VW relating to a failed crankshaft pulley in January 2016 which was replaced and failed again after just over 2 years in April 2018. Both dealer and VW blame each other and say it is not of unsatisfactory quality. See what happens.
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Resolver is a very handy tool, and you don't need to be financially/commercially savvy to use it. Patience is always the way.