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[STEMO]

When I got rid of my 1.4 petrol astra J, I nicked the space saver out of it for my 2.0 diesel astra J, got to be the same, right? Wrong  Got a slow puncture and thought I'd change the wheel for the space saver. Dog crate, two plastic boxes, various towels and other dog related bits out. Jack out, space saver out. Wheel off, fûck, it won't fit. Reversal of above procedure and no better off. 

[deviator]

I thought they were the same. Unless you've got 4 stud v 5 stud?

[Doctor Gollum]

Different pcds

[STEMO]

Different pcds

Yes. Just ordered a wheel from Vauxhall, he tells me the callipers on mine are much bigger or something, so different offsets. £65 for the wheel, not bad, and, as they're both 16", I can get the existing (brand new) tyre changed over.

[deviator]

Wow.

[STEMO]

I've just been very nice to my local tyre man and he will fix my puncture tomorrow. I know they hate you driving in rather than dropping the wheel off, because it's a fiddly, not-much-money job, but I've he'd enough tyres off him in the past.

[Doctor Gollum]

It's a side effect of a front wheel puncture with bigger brakes. Swap the space saver onto the rear, then fit the 'rear'* wheel on to the punctured front.

*assuming the same width. Also the space saver is designed to get you somewhere safe, not to the next MoT 

[dave the builder]

astra up to and including the H (so up to 2010 ish )  was 4 x 100 or 5 x 110 pcd

after that it could be 5 x 115 or 5 x 105 pcd

so regardless of brake clearance ,fitting front or back ,it won't fit

it's a similar story with other vauxhall models 

i've got 4 new 5 x 110 space savers to go on the next car i scrap from the fleet ,taken from the boots of the astra H's and replaced with full size spares . I don't think the weight increase will massively effect the MPG of the fleet (2 1.6 petrol and 2 1.7 cdti)

[Doctor Gollum]

I should have been clearer, that was on the Omega with Monaro front brakes... 17" fit, but not the 15/16" spares

Changing one wheel on the side of the A3 was bad enough, but having to change two because one doesn't fit is irksome

[STEMO]

astra up to and including the H (so up to 2010 ish )  was 4 x 100 or 5 x 110 pcd

after that it could be 5 x 115 or 5 x 105 pcd

so regardless of brake clearance ,fitting front or back ,it won't fit

it's a similar story with other vauxhall models 

i've got 4 new 5 x 110 space savers to go on the next car i scrap from the fleet ,taken from the boots of the astra H's and replaced with full size spares . I don't think the weight increase will massively effect the MPG of the fleet (2 1.6 petrol and 2 1.7 cdti)

Yes, I knew that already, but both of mine are astra J's, 2012 1.4 petrol won't fit 2014 2.0 diesel.

[STEMO]

And astra J won't fit astra K.

[dave the builder]

astra up to and including the H (so up to 2010 ish )  was 4 x 100 or 5 x 110 pcd

after that it could be 5 x 115 or 5 x 105 pcd

so regardless of brake clearance ,fitting front or back ,it won't fit

it's a similar story with other vauxhall models 

i've got 4 new 5 x 110 space savers to go on the next car i scrap from the fleet ,taken from the boots of the astra H's and replaced with full size spares . I don't think the weight increase will massively effect the MPG of the fleet (2 1.6 petrol and 2 1.7 cdti)

Yes, I knew that already, but both of mine are astra J's, 2012 1.4 petrol won't fit 2014 2.0 diesel.

Ah Ok ,
so the 1.4 wheel is probably 5 x 105 and the 2L diesel is probably 5 x 115
Obviously Astra J or K are not rusty enough yet for me to consider buying 

[STEMO]

astra up to and including the H (so up to 2010 ish )  was 4 x 100 or 5 x 110 pcd

after that it could be 5 x 115 or 5 x 105 pcd

so regardless of brake clearance ,fitting front or back ,it won't fit

it's a similar story with other vauxhall models 

i've got 4 new 5 x 110 space savers to go on the next car i scrap from the fleet ,taken from the boots of the astra H's and replaced with full size spares . I don't think the weight increase will massively effect the MPG of the fleet (2 1.6 petrol and 2 1.7 cdti)

Yes, I knew that already, but both of mine are astra J's, 2012 1.4 petrol won't fit 2014 2.0 diesel.

Ah Ok ,
so the 1.4 wheel is probably 5 x 105 and the 2L diesel is probably 5 x 115
Obviously Astra J or K are not rusty enough yet for me to consider buying 

Never seen a rusty J, and the oldest are 11 years old now.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Lucky it wasn't a fast puncture then.....

[STEMO]

Lucky it wasn't a fast puncture then.....

My thoughts exactly, Tigger. On the motorway, in the dark, pissing down, etc, 

[STEMO]

Puncture fixed(a puny little panel pin that really should have bent rather than punctured) and a quick dive into Halfords for a can of tyre weld......just in case.

[countrywoman]

My Skoda Yeti has no spare and no place to put one, can of glop they give you wouldn't go in even with valve removed . Well you cant squeze a plastic bottle against a tyre and there was no jack either to take load off . Taken to a can of get you home stuff and a better tyre pump.   

[Rangie]

Both our cars have spare wheels fortunately, but the Range Rover is a space saver I've actually got a matching full size alloy but I need to see if it will fit into the cradle, not keen on this new idea of no spare wheel.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Puncture fixed(a puny little panel pin that really should have bent rather than punctured) and a quick dive into Halfords for a can of tyre weld......just in case.

One of my tyres on the Mondeo is starting to leak from the rim again. 

So I might chuck a can of goo in there, see how that goes... 

[Andy B]

Both our cars have spare wheels fortunately, but the Range Rover is a space saver I've actually got a matching full size alloy but I need to see if it will fit into the cradle, not keen on this new idea of no spare wheel.

My ML has a space saver too .... I doubt the 265/20 wheels would go anywhere near the spare wheel well. The R Class before it had a spare, but one that was 'flat'  (never needed to use it so didn't need to worry about whether it'd go back into the wheel well)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQuJZSRC4WQ

[Nick W]

Both our cars have spare wheels fortunately, but the Range Rover is a space saver I've actually got a matching full size alloy but I need to see if it will fit into the cradle, not keen on this new idea of no spare wheel.

My ML has a space saver too .... I doubt the 265/20 wheels would go anywhere near the spare wheel well. The R Class before it had a spare, but one that was 'flat'  (never needed to use it so didn't need to worry about whether it'd go back into the wheel well)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQuJZSRC4WQ

It's not uncommon to find that a full-size wheel doesn't fit in the boot: TTs and Beetles, XC90s come with a bag because the wheel doesn't fit the cradle(and the factory bodykit/twin exhaust takes up that space ), some Porsche 911s have the spacesaver behind the passenger seat, etc

[Andy B]

Both our cars have spare wheels fortunately, but the Range Rover is a space saver I've actually got a matching full size alloy but I need to see if it will fit into the cradle, not keen on this new idea of no spare wheel.

My ML has a space saver too .... I doubt the 265/20 wheels would go anywhere near the spare wheel well. The R Class before it had a spare, but one that was 'flat'  (never needed to use it so didn't need to worry about whether it'd go back into the wheel well)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQuJZSRC4WQ

It's not uncommon to find that a full-size wheel doesn't fit in the boot: TTs and Beetles, XC90s come with a bag because the wheel doesn't fit the cradle(and the factory bodykit/twin exhaust takes up that space ), some Porsche 911s have the spacesaver behind the passenger seat, etc

I never like the idea of an under slung spare that's exposed to the elements. It's bad enough having to maul with a dirty horrible wheel from the car without having to crawl under it to retrieve a wet muddy spare.

[Nick W]

I never like the idea of an under slung spare that's exposed to the elements. It's bad enough having to maul with a dirty horrible wheel from the car without having to crawl under it to retrieve a wet muddy spare.

I saw far too many where the mechanism had seized. Even more common was wheels that were so rusty the tyre wouldn't hold air. Few car owners check the spare when it's in the boot; they never do it when it's under the car. Fitting the spare in a cradle under the car uses the same space as putting it in the boot where it should be, it's just the other side of the floor.

[Andy B]

I never like the idea of an under slung spare that's exposed to the elements. It's bad enough having to maul with a dirty horrible wheel from the car without having to crawl under it to retrieve a wet muddy spare.

I saw far too many where the mechanism had seized. Even more common was wheels that were so rusty the tyre wouldn't hold air. Few car owners check the spare when it's in the boot; they never do it when it's under the car. Fitting the spare in a cradle under the car uses the same space as putting it in the boot where it should be, it's just the other side of the floor.

That's exactly what I thought too! 
And more secure in the boot too. There was a modified hanger for the Kia my Dad used to have to help prevent people crawling underneath & cropping the cable to nick the spare.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Thats one more problem with the stupid French contraption. An absolute pita to get to the spare.

[Nick W]

Thats one more problem with the stupid French contraption. An absolute pita to get to the spare.

Try a Megane estate; there's a sticker with pictograms that 'explain' how the mechanism works. They were drawn by someone who had never seen the mechanism. Or a car. Or a wheel. Then they were prettied up by a graphic designer who clearly thought they'd been hired to draw Manga.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Thats one more problem with the stupid French contraption. An absolute pita to get to the spare.

I can sense a narrative building up here from Albs, in that he really wants to get rid of the French POS and use the Omega as his daily drive. 

The money you are saving in not going to the supermarket should be spent so you can waft along to work in Vauxhall's best effort at luxurious comfort! 

[Rangie]

I never like the idea of an under slung spare that's exposed to the elements. It's bad enough having to maul with a dirty horrible wheel from the car without having to crawl under it to retrieve a wet muddy spare.

I saw far too many where the mechanism had seized. Even more common was wheels that were so rusty the tyre wouldn't hold air. Few car owners check the spare when it's in the boot; they never do it when it's under the car. Fitting the spare in a cradle under the car uses the same space as putting it in the boot where it should be, it's just the other side of the floor.

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I checked mine when I first bought it 18 months ago it all worked okay + I lubricated the whole mechanism, I need 4 new tyres in the next couple of weeks anyway so will have the best of the old ones put on the alloy, I have seen full size spares slung under the RR Sports but maybe a different size cradle , may be an option to change it if required.

[STEMO]

Picked up the new space saver this morning, £72 with the VAT. Took it to the tyre place along with my old one with tyre on. Went and got Krispy Kreme donuts. Came back, handed over donuts in exchange for wheel, job jobbed.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Both our cars have spare wheels fortunately, but the Range Rover is a space saver I've actually got a matching full size alloy but I need to see if it will fit into the cradle, not keen on this new idea of no spare wheel.

Its got a cradle? so 2002-2009 model year?

The more recent ones have internal storage and when its a space sever there are blocks that you can remove so a full size will fit.

The parts shows only one cradle option (although the armoured one is different)

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Thats one more problem with the stupid French contraption. An absolute pita to get to the spare.

Try a Megane estate; there's a sticker with pictograms that 'explain' how the mechanism works. They were drawn by someone who had never seen the mechanism. Or a car. Or a wheel. Then they were prettied up by a graphic designer who clearly thought they'd been hired to draw Manga.

Pretty sure the C**o has the same laughable instructions.

[Doctor Gollum]

They're in French, so noone is any the wiser

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Certainly not me. I had four years of school lessons in that piss poor excuse for a language and took no notice whatsoever.
Its utterly hideous.

[Sir Tigger KC]

The French language is quite gender specific non?   

Calling Lord Opti! 

[dave the builder]

I'm just a thick builder , I could never get my head round french words being feminine and masculine , Le and La 
I had to do technical German too as part of my engineering diploma
I only passed the German part by squatting up the night before tests 
I still struggle with "the English" and i've lived here 50 years   

[Broomies Mate]

I'm just a thick builder , I could never get my head round french words being feminine and masculine , Le and La 
I had to do technical German too as part of my engineering diploma
I only passed the German part by squatting up the night before tests 
I still struggle with "the English" and i've lived here 50 years 

Die, Der & Das.  I remember it (not very) well! 

[dave the builder]

I'm just a thick builder , I could never get my head round french words being feminine and masculine , Le and La 
I had to do technical German too as part of my engineering diploma
I only passed the German part by squatting up the night before tests 
I still struggle with "the English" and i've lived here 50 years 

Die, Der & Das.  I remember it (not very) well! 

I just had to google "Die, Der & Das"  I'd blanked the trauma of it all from memory 
It was only very basic German, counting, part names, directions, pleasantries,
I can remember counting 1 to 9 , wouldn't know how to spell the numbers though 
I can count to eleventy six  in English  though    

[STEMO]

Amo Amas Amat was the first language I learned at high school.

[Doctor Gollum]

Latin is a dead language etc, etc, etc

[johnnydog]

Amabo, amabis, amabit, amabimus, amabitis, amabunt....
It's all coming back to me - after all those years....

[STEMO]

Amabo, amabis, amabit, amabimus, amabitis, amabunt....
It's all coming back to me - after all those years....

I never took enough notice, even at eleven years of age I realised I probably wouldn't need it to get by.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I speak it like a native.   

[Nick W]

I'm just a thick builder , I could never get my head round french words being feminine and masculine , Le and La 
I had to do technical German too as part of my engineering diploma
I only passed the German part by squatting up the night before tests 
I still struggle with "the English" and i've lived here 50 years 

Die, Der & Das.  I remember it (not very) well! 

And let's not forget that the definite article and pronouns change depending on the case. English has the cases, but we only change the pronouns - he to him for instance. That English only applies genders to nouns that have a sex makes this much easier, most of the time.


Once again for those who are confused/appalled/ignorant/intolerant, gender is a grammatical term not a biological one.

[Andy B]

....
And let's not forget that the definite article and pronouns change depending on the case. English has the cases, but we only change the pronouns - he to him for instance. That English only applies genders to nouns that have a sex makes this much easier, most of the time.


Once again for those who are confused/appalled/ignorant/intolerant, gender is a grammatical term not a biological one.

  you lost me at 'definitive article' .... 

[Nick W]

....
And let's not forget that the definite article and pronouns change depending on the case. English has the cases, but we only change the pronouns - he to him for instance. That English only applies genders to nouns that have a sex makes this much easier, most of the time.


Once again for those who are confused/appalled/ignorant/intolerant, gender is a grammatical term not a biological one.

  you lost me at 'definitive article' .... 

They use a different word for 'the' depending on the gender of the noun, which is the "Der, die, das" Broomies Mate mentioned. These change again depending on the structure of the sentence. English dropped this a very long time ago.

[Shackeng]

I never like the idea of an under slung spare that's exposed to the elements. It's bad enough having to maul with a dirty horrible wheel from the car without having to crawl under it to retrieve a wet muddy spare.

I saw far too many where the mechanism had seized. Even more common was wheels that were so rusty the tyre wouldn't hold air. Few car owners check the spare when it's in the boot; they never do it when it's under the car. Fitting the spare in a cradle under the car uses the same space as putting it in the boot where it should be, it's just the other side of the floor.

Good point, and such checking not facilitated by the mounting of boot stored spares with the valve underneath!