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[Lazydocker]

Oh dear

Is that a certified, professional conversion and on the register at www.drivelpg.co.uk ?

I can see at least 2 or 3 failure points from those pictures

[albitz]

Me too and Im far from an expert.

[Lazydocker]

Not to mention several bad practices too

Strangechap... As a matter of urgency I suggest you check the security of the tank. Those brackets don't look man enough to stop that tank coming forwards and hitting you on the back with massive force should you have a high speed impact

[tunnie]

Is it me or are those injectors a long way back, the vapour has a long way to travel?

Also the fuel is injected at the top of the inlet manifold? At the widest point? 

OOF way is to drill & tap them as low down as possible...

Who did the converstion & how much as it?

[Lazydocker]

Is it me or are those injectors a long way back, the vapour has a long way to travel?

Also the fuel is injected at the top of the inlet manifold? At the widest point? 

OOF way is to drill & tap them as low down as possible...

Who did the converstion & how much as it?

Nothing wrong with that assuming (which it must have to run right) it is using straws Not the tidiest, but OK

[tunnie]

Is it me or are those injectors a long way back, the vapour has a long way to travel?

Also the fuel is injected at the top of the inlet manifold? At the widest point? 

OOF way is to drill & tap them as low down as possible...

Who did the converstion & how much as it?

Nothing wrong with that assuming (which it must have to run right) it is using straws Not the tidiest, but OK

Ah, didn't think of that. 

[feeutfo]

O-oh. Fuel lines


...and may as well drill the manifold, and site the nozzles near the petrol injectors.

Shouldn't take much to sort. But that shouldn't pass an inspection.

[Strangechap]

The injectors do use straws.

The tank is also bolted down underneath too.

I think the valves are next on the tank but fairly well tucked away. You can see some stuff from underneath the car, but I couldn't get a pic of it.

So what failure points do you see? It all looked pretty tidy to me, but I have no experience of the regs for this.

I did wonder about the ties underneath, but then good quality cable ties are pretty damn strong and don't corrode.

As far as performance goes, it's lost a bit of power, but not a huge amount. Runs like it did before.

[TheBoy]

Immediate non COP11 points are fuel lines not correctly attached, and gas pipes too near exhaust (EGR).

Not a failure, but the Y piece isn't going to allow decent flow to bank 1/3/5 ?


Is it on the LPG register, as that shouldn't have passed IMHO.

[Lazydocker]

The injectors do use straws.

The tank is also bolted down underneath too.

I think the valves are next on the tank but fairly well tucked away. You can see some stuff from underneath the car, but I couldn't get a pic of it.

So what failure points do you see? It all looked pretty tidy to me, but I have no experience of the regs for this.

I did wonder about the ties underneath, but then good quality cable ties are pretty damn strong and don't corrode.

As far as performance goes, it's lost a bit of power, but not a huge amount. Runs like it did before.

Cable ties are specifically mentioned as not suitable in the regs... The go brittle Must be metal pipe clips

Vapour hose runs within 150mm of exhaust (looks like it may be resting against the EGR ) without heat shielding.

That's the 2 big fails I can spot instantly Several bad practices, including the injector pipes being different lengths, injectors not mounted vertically and, my pet hate, ECU in scuttle box

If it's lost any power (noticeably) then it's also not set up correctly or not man enough The Stag kits I/we have fitted give no loss of power when correctly set up

I'd also check on the tank mounting... I don't know of any tanks with securing lugs bother top and bottom so I'd say it's been secured by a few weedy brackets Are there any spreader plates underneath?

I'm also suspicious of the coolant plumbing... Can't tell from the picture but it looks like it's been plumbed after the HBV, which may well cause issues under certain heater settings.

I'd need to look it over properly but I bet there's more

[Strangechap]

Thanks for pointing those out chaps.

I'll look into those in more detail.

It is on the register, the guy is a registered installer. I must say I'm surprised, he seemed to really know what he was on about. I thought the install looked pretty neat.

I will tackle him on those points and see what he says.

Thanks for all your comments.

Tim

[Lazydocker]

Immediate non COP11 points are fuel lines not correctly attached, and gas pipes too near exhaust (EGR).

Not a failure, but the Y piece isn't going to allow decent flow to bank 1/3/5 ?


Is it on the LPG register, as that shouldn't have passed IMHO.

That should, in theory, be OK because it's vapour under pressure but at full chat it could be problematic I wonder what the Fuel Trims look like

[Lazydocker]

Tim, I'm not trying to cause issues, but you've parted with a large sum of money and I guarantee that if you took that for an independent inspection it wouldn't pass

This is the trouble with UKLPG registration for installers... They pay a large sum of money to UKLPG and are allowed to certify bad workmanship which gives LPG in general a bad name

[Kevin Wood]

Agreed on all points. If you did a DIY install to that standard you'd never in a month of sundays get it certified.

This is what makes UKLPG worthless. No auditing of their installers. If that were mine I'd also send those photos, highlighting the areas that are clearly not according to the UKLPG COP, to UKLPG and ask them to comment. Would be very interesting. At least threaten to do this if the installer doesn't agree to resolve the issues you have. By rights, they should suspend his certification, but I suspect they'll do nothing.

[Lazydocker]

You cynic Kev

Tim, if you need it I can supply you with the relevant sections of COP 11, although it will take me a while to get it sorted for you