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[dbug]

And how does driving ability affect tyre grip? Btw?

Go on a police skid pan (or on the London Transport skid pan) and drive cars (buses) running bald tyres on a mixture of water/oil/detergent and you're learn to drive at speed with almost no tyre grip.  Try it - I have (including the buses!), and then talk about driving ability affecting tyre grip.  Driving ability is about retaining control with little tyre grip

[Andy B]

Have worked in Sweden, Finland and travelled extensively in Denmark.  Law in Sweden says for Swedish registered cars a set (thats 4) winter tyres must be fitted from 1 December - 31 March (irrespective of weather conditions).  Similar in Finland and Denmark.  At the end of the day these guys are well experienced in the use of winter tyres - and the relevant point is fit a set (not 2) irrespective of weather conditions (ie temperature) from 1/12 tp 31/3.  End of

Your mates wifes issues are because of only fitting 2 winter tyres (unbalanced car) and poor driving ability.

It's s good job we don't live in those two country's then, aye.

Learn to count - 3 countries 

Count?  He's still trying to smell spell! 

[dbug]

Have worked in Sweden, Finland and travelled extensively in Denmark.  Law in Sweden says for Swedish registered cars a set (thats 4) winter tyres must be fitted from 1 December - 31 March (irrespective of weather conditions).  Similar in Finland and Denmark.  At the end of the day these guys are well experienced in the use of winter tyres - and the relevant point is fit a set (not 2) irrespective of weather conditions (ie temperature) from 1/12 tp 31/3.  End of

Your mates wifes issues are because of only fitting 2 winter tyres (unbalanced car) and poor driving ability.

It's s good job we don't live in those two country's then, aye.

Learn to count - 3 countries 

Count?  He's still trying to smell spell! 

 

[feeutfo]

And how does driving ability affect tyre grip? Btw?

Go on a police skid pan (or on the London Transport skid pan) and drive cars (buses) running bald tyres on a mixture of water/oil/detergent and you're learn to drive at speed with almost no tyre grip.  Try it - I have (including the buses!), and then talk about driving ability affecting tyre grip.  Driving ability is about retaining control with little tyre grip

so let me get this right, your saying, weather you realise it or not, that the better driver you are, the more grip you have in your tyres.
That's pretty ignorant even for you.

Now, if she had lost the car in a spin, you might have an argument on the second point, but as she caught it without issue, and has been on more sporting events, driving courses and track days than anyone I know, I'd day she's more competent than you.

Oh, and attention span apportioned according to relevance of post, btw.

[dbug]

And how does driving ability affect tyre grip? Btw?

Go on a police skid pan (or on the London Transport skid pan) and drive cars (buses) running bald tyres on a mixture of water/oil/detergent and you're learn to drive at speed with almost no tyre grip.  Try it - I have (including the buses!), and then talk about driving ability affecting tyre grip.  Driving ability is about retaining control with little tyre grip

so let me get this right, your saying, weather you realise it or not, that the better driver you are, the more grip you have in your tyres.
That's pretty ignorant even for you.

Now, if she had lost the car in a spin, you might have an argument on the second point, but as she caught it without issue, and has been on more sporting events, driving courses and track days than anyone I know, I'd day she's more competent than you.

Oh, and attention span apportioned according to relevance of post, btw.

Is that a pun or a mis-spelling 

You didn't get it right - thats not what i was saying - just goes to reinforce your lack of understanding on this subject.

As to her competance compared to mine, sporting events, driving courses and track days mean nothing.  You are not aware of my driving history or competance - you are effectively saying you have seen a bigger dog than me without any information as to what I have seen.

For your information I spent a number of years actively competing in motor sport - rallying (MGB, TR4 and Cooper S), racing - saloons (cooper "S"), sports (Ferrari Dino), Formula Ford and Formula 3.  Have driven diverse vehicles from a Chiefton Tank, Le Mans winning GT40, to a Williams Formula 1 car.   No doubt, despite my advanced years, but with my experience, I could still scare the proverbial out of your competant friend by driving safely but quickly on a race track.

I won't be posting on this topic any more - you can now continue to flog a dead horse in my absence Mr Pixie 

[feeutfo]

Sounds like she's touched your nerve already

[Andy B]

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For your information I spent a number of years actively competing in motor sport - rallying (MGB, TR4 and Cooper S), racing - saloons (cooper "S"), sports (Ferrari Dino), Formula Ford and Formula 3.  Have driven diverse vehicles from a Chiefton Tank, Le Mans winning GT40, to a Williams Formula 1 car.   No doubt, despite my advanced years, but with my experience, I could still scare the proverbial out of your competant friend by driving safely but quickly on a race track.

I won't be posting on this topic any more - you can now continue to flog a dead horse in my absence Mr Pixie 

OMG! Was your original licence printed on papyrus? 

[feeutfo]

Sniff sniff....

[dbdb]

This thread needs more info like what was she doing when the back went, braking, cornering, braking and cornering, accelerating? Was it dry or wet?   What make model tyres were they and were they the standard size? Were the previous ones worn low? Are the front ones worn low? It would be useful to know all of that before deciding winter tyres are dangerous. 

Eg If it was dry and her fronts were very worn and she cornered at speed the back would slide more than she would be used to with old worn backs, even if the new ones were not winter tyres.  Worn tyres grip better in the dry.

[feeutfo]

Don't know the tyre pressures either. But they are more than clued up enough to check that stuff.

[Andy B]

This thread needs more info like what was she doing when the back went, braking, cornering, braking and cornering, accelerating? Was it dry or wet?   What make model tyres were they and were they the standard size? Were the previous ones worn low? Are the front ones worn low? It would be useful to know all of that before deciding winter tyres are dangerous. 

Eg If it was dry and her fronts were very worn and she cornered at speed the back would slide more than she would be used to with old worn backs, even if the new ones were not winter tyres.  Worn tyres grip better in the dry.

Irrespective of the above ..... she was right! 

[dbdb]

 

[tunnie]

I've driven winters in double digits warm temp wise. Not issues, how on earth could it nearly spin the car?

I will be leaving mine on for another month or so, as in snow/slush they are mightly impressive.

[cem_devecioglu]

Worked ok at the correct temp for winters. As you might expect. Trouble appears to be that the correct temp only lasted 2 weeks.

After 3 weeks since fitting they have to come off. And as Kev suggests, clearly the grip level is markedly different from summer tyres at that temp.

If the rear lost grip, the front would have too if winters all round at the same temp.


As said sooooo many times before. We just don't get the weather to justify winters.

these tyres work well until 20 celcius..  and without doubt I can choose a winter tyre that can stop and corner like your contis head to head.. I wish I was there

[Webby the Bear]

interesting posts here.

just to add my $0.02 in..... we fit budget tyres all round and have had no problem in the snow LOL!