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Re: Tyres suitable for omega
« Reply #60 on: 12 March 2013, 11:06:38 »

I have seen lots of drivers with buckled wheels and not feeling anything ;D
That's what the Airfield meet is for cem. Sort these niggles out. :y
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Re: Tyres suitable for omega
« Reply #61 on: 12 March 2013, 14:22:51 »

In case anyone is wondering why I'm asking. Possibly not but anyway...


Reason behind it is TramLining related, surprise surprise. The causes of TL are said to be too rigid a side wall transmitting road imperfections through the side wall. Thus pushing the steering off line via the rim, which the driver has to correct, which is highly irritating and in extreme cases threatens safety.

I'm wondering if in fact, that the opposite is true. That if the sidewall is too soft, the tread of the tyre can be pulled out of line, where as a stiffer sidewall would keep the tread in line with the wheel and keep the car straighter, and irritating the driver less with less imperfections in direction.

There's seems to be alot of 97 load tyres that behave well with directional stability on this car.

Just a thought any way. :)


It could be that 97's misbehave As much as any other tyre. :-\

Quote above nicked from the Tyre Load thread to avoid clogging it up.  :y

Not Omega related but just thought I'd add to the confusion.  :)

We have two almost identical brand new cars that are only a few weeks old and both are fitted with the same wheels and tyres. They are both the same model and both have 225/35/19 on the front and 255/30/19 on the rears. However, due to slightly different spec level, one sits about an inch higher at the wheel arch height to the other one. The slightly higher one has a very slight tendency to be knocked off-line by road imperfections whereas the lower one is totally unaffected by the same stretch of road.  :-\
So, two almost identical cars, both the same model shape, both with bullet hard suspension, both with the same chassis and wheels and tyres but with different driving characteristics.  :-\

Changing wheels and tyres from a tramlining Omega and fitting non-tramlining wheels and tyres is great if it cures the tramlining car but the example above goes to show how difficult it can be to find a resolve.

As an aside, I'm running Goodyear Eagle F1 Assy 2 on the Elite Estate. I don't drive it much these days and when I do I'm in a daze but I seem to recall that it does need the odd steering correction now and again, but certainly nothing serious and certainly nothing to prevent me from pressing on. I run 32psi front and 33psi on the rears. It's an Elite so it's like driving an airbed.  ;) ;D

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Damn, I was sure I'd posted this in the tramling thread.  :-[
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« Reply #62 on: 12 March 2013, 14:41:11 »

looking at your post (YZ250) it reminds me that cars that have coilover setups must be played also
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Re: Tyres suitable for omega
« Reply #63 on: 12 March 2013, 17:17:35 »

I would say that the Michelin Pilot Primacy is worth every penny of the cost for a tyre that i find very quite and sure footed in all weather conditions, it is a very stable tyre that gives you a high degree of feedback to the steering wheel without being fussy.
As to the F1's, i cant comment to noise as i have never run them but this is my second set of MPP's and as they are no longer availible i will go for Michelin pilot hp next.
Mrs ffcgary even commented when i had them fitted that the harshness of the ride had changed and i had to agree. I thought the pirelli p7000 was a capable tyre but i would say not suited to the omegas chassis set up.As to tramlining/wunderlust, no i have not had this with the MPP, but i do run my tyres slightly less pressure than some on here, mine are FRONT= 30PSI  REAR = 32PSI.
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Re: Tyres suitable for omega
« Reply #64 on: 12 March 2013, 18:40:40 »

We have two almost identical brand new cars that are only a few weeks old and both are fitted with the same wheels and tyres. They are both the same model and both have 225/35/19 on the front and 255/30/19 on the rears. However, due to slightly different spec level, one sits about an inch higher at the wheel arch height to the other one. The slightly higher one has a very slight tendency to be knocked off-line by road imperfections whereas the lower one is totally unaffected by the same stretch of road.  :-\

If the ride height isn't correct then the rest of the suspension dynamic geometry will be all to pot so it doesn't surprise me that there's a noticeable difference.
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Re: Tyres suitable for omega
« Reply #65 on: 12 March 2013, 19:02:13 »

We have two almost identical brand new cars that are only a few weeks old and both are fitted with the same wheels and tyres. They are both the same model and both have 225/35/19 on the front and 255/30/19 on the rears. However, due to slightly different spec level, one sits about an inch higher at the wheel arch height to the other one. The slightly higher one has a very slight tendency to be knocked off-line by road imperfections whereas the lower one is totally unaffected by the same stretch of road.  :-\

If the ride height isn't correct then the rest of the suspension dynamic geometry will be all to pot so it doesn't surprise me that there's a noticeable difference.

They are intentionally like it Kevin, both cars are only a few weeks old. One has comfort settings and the other one is full on sport. I was merely pointing out that the same wheels and tyres on the same model of car can act slightly different according to ride height.  :y
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Re: Tyres suitable for omega
« Reply #66 on: 12 March 2013, 19:15:40 »

The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.

MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS


These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt and Entwood so far.

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Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric          Oe 17"
Continental Sc3 mo                          18" 8j  (also has more rim protection)
continental Sc3 generic                     Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT.                      Oe 17"
Michelin Pilot Primacy   225 55 16      OE 16" (expensive, and better available)

Mid range
Kumho ku31                                    Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000.                                    Oe 17"

Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL            Oe17" and 16"  (priced as budget, mid range quality  )
Accelera Alphas                                Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r.                                 Oe 17"
Nexen CP461                                   Oe 16" (caution in standing water)


I think we need to add speed and load ratings to these guys, if you get a minute. :-[
And size (full size), and rim width/offset if not a factory Omega wheel.
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Re: Tyres suitable for omega
« Reply #67 on: 12 March 2013, 19:17:54 »

The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.

MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS


These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt and Entwood so far.

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Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric          Oe 17"
Continental Sc3 mo                          18" 8j  (also has more rim protection)
continental Sc3 generic                     Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT.                      Oe 17" 235/45/17 94Y
Michelin Pilot Primacy   225 55 16      OE 16" (expensive, and better available)

Mid range
Kumho ku31                                    Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000.                                    Oe 17"

Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL            Oe17" and 16"  (priced as budget, mid range quality  )
Accelera Alphas                                Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r.                                 Oe 17"
Nexen CP461                                   Oe 16" 225/55/16 (speed and rating no longer available) (caution in standing water)

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Re: Tyres suitable for omega
« Reply #68 on: 13 March 2013, 01:39:19 »

The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.

MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS


These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt and Entwood so far.

Premium
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric          Oe 17"
Continental Sc3 mo                          18" 8j  (also has more rim protection)
continental Sc3 generic                     Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT.                      Oe 17" 235/45/17 94Y
Michelin Pilot Primacy   225 55 16      OE 16" (expensive, and better available)

Mid range
Kumho ku31                                    Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000.                                    Oe 17"

Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL          Oe 235/45/17 ET33 (priced as budget, mid range quality  )
                                                               Oe 225/55/16 ET35?
                                                                    245/40/18 ET33 Irmscher Stila 8J x 18"
Accelera Alphas                                Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r.                                 Oe 17"
Nexen CP461                                   Oe 16" 225/55/16 (speed and rating no longer available) (caution in standing water)

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« Reply #69 on: 13 March 2013, 09:57:12 »

The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.

MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS


These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt and Entwood so far.

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Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric          Oe 17"
Continental Sc3 mo           Front        18" 8j  245/40/18.               (rim protection)
Continental Sc3 Mo           Rear         18" 9j  265/35/18 97Y Extra load. 
continental Sc3 generic                     Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT.                      Oe 17" 235/45/17 94Y
Michelin Pilot Primacy   225 55 16      OE 16" (expensive, and better available)

Mid range
Kumho ku31                                    Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000.                                    Oe 17"

Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL          Oe 235/45/17 ET33 (priced as budget, mid range quality  )
                                                               Oe 225/55/16 ET35?
                                                                    245/40/18 ET33 Irmscher Stila 8J x 18"
Accelera Alphas                                Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r.                                 Oe 17"
Nexen CP461                                   Oe 16" 225/55/16 (speed and rating no longer available) (caution in standing water)

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Re: Tyres suitable for omega
« Reply #70 on: 13 March 2013, 10:15:27 »

The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.

MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS


These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt and Entwood so far.

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Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric          Oe 17" 235/45R17 97 Y Extra Load - max load 730 Kg
Continental Sc3 mo           Front        18" 8j  245/40/18.               (rim protection)
Continental Sc3 Mo           Rear         18" 9j  265/35/18 97Y Extra load. 
continental Sc3 generic                     Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT.                      Oe 17" 235/45/17 94Y
Michelin Pilot Primacy   225 55 16      OE 16" (expensive, and better available)

Mid range
Kumho ku31                                    Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000.                                    Oe 17"

Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL          Oe 235/45/17 ET33 (priced as budget, mid range quality  )
                                                               Oe 225/55/16 ET35?
                                                                    245/40/18 ET33 Irmscher Stila 8J x 18"
Accelera Alphas                                Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r.                                 Oe 17"
Nexen CP461                                   Oe 16" 225/55/16 (speed and rating no longer available) (caution in standing water)

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« Reply #71 on: 13 March 2013, 10:22:16 »

The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.

MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS


These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt and Entwood so far.

Premium
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric          Oe 17" 235/45R17 97 Y Extra Load - max load 730 Kg
Continental Sc3 mo           Front        18" 8j  245/40/18.  (rim protection)
Continental Sc3 Mo           Rear         18" 9j  265/35/18 97Y Extra load.
continental Sc3 generic                     Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT.                      Oe 17" 235/45/17 94Y
Michelin Pilot Primacy   225 55 16      OE 16" (expensive, and better available)

Mid range
Kumho ku31                                    Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000.                                    Oe 17"

Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL          Oe 235/45/17 ET33 (priced as budget, mid range quality  )
                                                               Oe 225/55/16 ET35?
                                                                    245/40/18 ET33 Irmscher Stila 8J x 18"
Accelera Alphas                                Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r.                                 Oe 17"
Nexen CP461                                   Oe 16" 225/55/16 (speed and rating no longer available) (caution in standing water)
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« Reply #72 on: 14 March 2013, 16:37:57 »

The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.

MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS


These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt Pauls and Entwood so far.

Premium
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric          Oe 17" 235/45R17 97 Y Extra Load - max load 730 Kg
Continental Sc3 mo           Front        18" 8j  245/40/18. 93y(rim protection)
Continental Sc3 Mo           Rear         18" 9j  265/35/18 97Y Extra load.
continental Sc3 generic                     Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT.                      Oe 17" 235/45/17 94Y
Michelin Pilot Primacy   225 55 16      OE 16" (expensive, and better available)
Pirelli P zero,                                    Oe 17" 235 45 17 r 97w

Mid range
Kumho ku31                                    Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000.                                    Oe 17"

Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL          Oe 235/45/17 ET33 (priced as budget, mid range quality  )
                                                               Oe 225/55/16 ET35?
                                                                    245/40/18 ET33 Irmscher Stila 8J x 18"
Accelera Alphas                                Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r.                                 Oe 17"
Nexen CP461                                   Oe 16" 225/55/16 (speed and rating no longer       
                                                                       available) (caution in standing water)
Westlake                                      Oe17" 235 45 ZR17 97W M+S (test for no Tramlining 
                                                                                                                       only )
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« Reply #73 on: 14 March 2013, 21:06:10 »

I totally agree with ffgary1 about the Michelin Pilot Primacy tyres as I have them on my car also finding them quiet and sure footed with no tramlining plus they appear to be wearing very well after approximately 12,000 miles.  My pressures are 30 p.s.i. Front and 33 p.s.i. Rear.
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Re: Tyres suitable for omega
« Reply #74 on: 14 March 2013, 22:09:38 »

The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.

MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS


These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt Pauls and Entwood so far.

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Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric          Oe 17" 235/45R17 97 Y Extra Load - max load 730 Kg
Continental Sc3 mo           Front        18" 8j  245/40/18. 93y(rim protection)
Continental Sc3 Mo           Rear         18" 9j  265/35/18 97Y Extra load.
continental Sc3 generic                     Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT.                      Oe 17" 235/45/17 94Y
Michelin Pilot Primacy   225 55 16      OE 16" (expensive, and better available)
Pirelli P zero,                                    Oe 17" 235 45 17 r 97w

Mid range
Kumho ku31                                    Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000.                                    Oe 17"

Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL          Oe 235/45/17 ET33 (priced as budget, mid range quality  )
                                                               Oe 225/55/16 ET35?
                                                                    245/40/18 ET33 Irmscher Stila 8J x 18"
Accelera Alphas                                Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r.                                 Oe 17"
Nexen CP461                                   Oe 16" 225/55/16 (speed and rating no longer       
                                                                       available) (caution in standing water)
Westlake                                      Oe17" 235 45 ZR17 97W M+S (test for no Tramlining 
                                                                                                                       only )


Who were the 2 members who varyfied (veryfied) these?  Also which tyre are they - Westlake make a number of different grades.
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