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Re: code 31
« on: 10 August 2007, 21:59:14 »

Seeing as we're talking about ECU codes on this thread, I hope you don't
mind if I butt in with a question rather than start another thread.

Car : 99 2.0 GLS Auto.
ECU: Simtec 56.5 with 4 digit codes.

Paper Clip test with engine running:  No flashes = No faults.
Paper Clip test without engine running: 0335 = Crankshaft Sensor.

I assume that the 0335 comes up because of no RPM signal due engine not running,
and in effect I do not have a fault.

Am I correct in this assumption?

Apologies again for hijacking the thread.
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Re: code 31
« Reply #1 on: 10 August 2007, 22:06:40 »

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Seeing as we're talking about ECU codes on this thread, I hope you don't
mind if I butt in with a question rather than start another thread.

Car : 99 2.0 GLS Auto.
ECU: Simtec 56.5 with 4 digit codes.

Paper Clip test with engine running:  No flashes = No faults.
Paper Clip test without engine running: 0335 = Crankshaft Sensor.

I assume that the 0335 comes up because of no RPM signal due engine not running,
and in effect I do not have a fault.

Am I correct in this assumption?

Apologies again for hijacking the thread.
No, on 2.0l 0335 means knackered crank sensor. Will it rev beyond 4.5k?
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Re: code 31
« Reply #2 on: 10 August 2007, 22:13:01 »

Just nipped out and tried it.

Revved smooth as a nut up to the Red Line.
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Re: code 31
« Reply #3 on: 10 August 2007, 22:15:54 »

eml come on?
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Re: code 31
« Reply #4 on: 10 August 2007, 22:21:07 »

eml come on?

Sometimes.

Occasionally, the car will give a little stutter when on the overrun, as if it's going
to stall but doesn't, and the EML will come on.

If I'm sat in traffic, occasionally the engine will suddenly chop dead, and then
start again with no EML.
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Re: code 31
« Reply #5 on: 11 August 2007, 07:46:16 »

could be the wiring thats damaged. trace wire for sensor bk an check for damage, if none try taking sensor out and cleaning it as its an intermittant fault
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Re: code 31
« Reply #6 on: 11 August 2007, 09:47:46 »

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could be the wiring thats damaged. trace wire for sensor bk an check for damage, if none try taking sensor out and cleaning it as its an intermittant fault
Its a hall effect sensor, cleaning wont help...
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Re: code 31
« Reply #7 on: 11 August 2007, 09:48:34 »

Replace the sensor then, don't mess about.

If you have a/c, its fiddly.
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Re: code 31
« Reply #8 on: 11 August 2007, 09:49:29 »

Split from other post to avoid confusion
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Re: code 31
« Reply #9 on: 11 August 2007, 10:10:09 »

Sorry, you split the thread whilst I was posting.

Deleted and moved
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Re: code 31
« Reply #10 on: 11 August 2007, 10:13:02 »

could be the wiring thats damaged
 
Yes, I'm also beginning to wonder if I have an intermittent circuit break
somewhere. That's why I asked the question about the crank sensor
code.  
As said previously, the only code I ever get is 0335 with engine stopped,
and no codes with engine running. If this is a genuine fault, as 'TheBoy'
says, then it would point to the Crank Sensor, or it's wiring, intermittently
breaking down.
 
The car normally runs smooth as a nut. Idles beautifully at 750rpm. Plenty
of power when you need it (only 47,000 on the clock).
 
When the car attempts to stall on the overrun, usually approaching a roundabout
or throttle closed at speed on a downhill section of motorway, it gives a sound
that sounds phonetically as 'Psst-Choo', similar to that of a turbo car changing
gear. The car then carries on driving normally with the EML light on. If I stop
and restart, the EML light goes out.
 
The only other time it does anything,  is if I'm sitting at traffic lights the engine
stops dead, just as if the ignition or fuel has switched off. Turn key off, switch on,
give the ECU 5 seconds to perform tests, and it starts normally with no EML
light on.
 
On the rare occasions that it actually stalls, usually slowing down approaching
and then re-accelerating to cross an empty roundabout, I pop the car into neutral,
cycle the ignition key off and on, start the car whilst still moving and it picks
up again smoothly again with no EML light.
 
Have rechecked breathers, still clear, checked for a vacuum on the small breather
pipe at idle, (nice strong suck that sticks my thumb to the pipe). All vac pipes connected
and no splits. No oil leaks. Plug wells clear.
 
Again, only Code is 0335 when engine stopped, no codes when running.
 
As it seemed to do the stalling thing after opening the throttle from idle, I wondered
if it had something to do with the fuel tank purge valve. This valve only cycles open
with the engine warm and the throttle position sensor indicating the throttle is away
from it's stop (ie engine under load). But I can't figure out why this would be, unless
it's richening the mixture too much, but the ECU would richen the mixture anyway
with an opening throttle.
 
So, all in all, it's got me a bit stumped.   :(Sad
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Re: code 31
« Reply #11 on: 11 August 2007, 10:22:25 »

Hee-hee, that was fun. You split the post as I was composing and posting a long post.  ;D

Got myself in a right old muddle trying to delete and move posts from thread to thread
whilst, presumably, you were doing the same thing.  :)

Read your new posts now, and it would seem that I could have an intermittent
Crank Sensor fault.

Will change it. It's not expensive, and just needs a bit of fiddly work due to Air/Con,
as you say.
« Last Edit: 11 August 2007, 10:23:52 by Grumpy »
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Re: code 31
« Reply #12 on: 11 August 2007, 12:13:21 »

According to my engine number, this looks like the baby that I need.

http://www.vauxallparts.co.uk/?product_id=117&option=Prod_detail&image_id=95
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Re: code 31
« Reply #13 on: 11 August 2007, 12:27:45 »

yep same engine as me!
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Re: code 31
« Reply #14 on: 11 August 2007, 14:53:09 »

yep same engine as me!

Seeing as you've also got a Simtec 56.5 with 4 digit codes,
do you ever get any codes with the engine running?

Or are yours the same as my 1, only shown with the engine
not running?
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