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[Webby the Bear]

hi guys.

forgive my ignorance and/or stupidity but why are you converting A to M?

[cem_devecioglu]

hi guys.

forgive my ignorance and/or stupidity but why are you converting A to M?

performance, economy, control on the car..

and the car is approx 40 kgs lighter..

[serek]

hi guys.

forgive my ignorance and/or stupidity but why are you converting A to M?

performance, economy, control on the car..

and the car is approx 40 kgs lighter..

[2woody]

manual is for people who like to Drive.

auto is for people who have no interest in driving

[2woody]

Jim, your 3.2 is fly-by-wire so the bits in the guide covering cruise wiring, clutch pedal switch and possibly the brake pedal switch will not apply.
If you post-up the differences for the dbw cars I will amend the guide.

OK, I didn't know that!! may be I would be converting the 3.2

This should in theory make a 3.2 easier to convert, although I'm suspecting some Tech2 input when we're done.

[Kevin Wood]

This should in theory make a 3.2 easier to convert, although I'm suspecting some Tech2 input when we're done.

Quite likely on both counts. I think that, whilst the non-dbw ECU figures out if it's in an auto or manual car, the DBW ECU needs to be configured. When it can't find the auto gearbox ECU on the CAN bus it gets upset. Can't remember if it just lights the EML or whether it also goes into limp home.

Kevin

[cem_devecioglu]

This should in theory make a 3.2 easier to convert, although I'm suspecting some Tech2 input when we're done.

Quite likely on both counts. I think that, whilst the non-dbw ECU figures out if it's in an auto or manual car, the DBW ECU needs to be configured. When it can't find the auto gearbox ECU on the CAN bus it gets upset. Can't remember if it just lights the EML or whether it also goes into limp home.

Kevin

mine is 97 , mid definitely become upset.. and warns with autobox message.. so re-programmed..

and unfortunately 97 ecu can not be re-programmed  (after many trials we learned that).. but up to now I didnt witness any side effects..

except my hot starting problem despite all efforts

(which was existent also before)

[2woody]

it's only DBW cars that will become upset, so that's after 2001

Earlier cars are "told" if they are manual or auto through the earthed pin, so no trouble there (unless you forget to earth the pin)

[Kevin Wood]

This should in theory make a 3.2 easier to convert, although I'm suspecting some Tech2 input when we're done.

Quite likely on both counts. I think that, whilst the non-dbw ECU figures out if it's in an auto or manual car, the DBW ECU needs to be configured. When it can't find the auto gearbox ECU on the CAN bus it gets upset. Can't remember if it just lights the EML or whether it also goes into limp home.

Kevin

mine is 97 , mid definitely become upset.. and warns with autobox message.. so re-programmed..

and unfortunately 97 ecu can not be re-programmed  (after many trials we learned that).. but up to now I didnt witness any side effects..

except my hot starting problem despite all efforts

(which was existent also before)
 

This will purely be because the diagnostic line from the autobox ECU to the MID is open circuit. It can either be grounded (IIRC) or the MID reprogrammed to expect a manual box, at which point the warning is disabled.

It's not the engine ECU complaining.

[Webby the Bear]

manual is for people who like to Drive.

auto is for people who have no interest in driving

i hate to disagree but i absolutely love driving. and i prefer an auto.

as for the ''increased performance'' seriously what extra are you going to get out of it? 1/2 a sec on a 0-60? hmmmm

[Jimbob]

manual is for people who like to Drive.

auto is for people who have no interest in driving

i hate to disagree but i absolutely love driving. and i prefer an auto.

as for the ''increased performance'' seriously what extra are you going to get out of it? 1/2 a sec on a 0-60? hmmmm

yes, not much on a 0-60 sprint...

but multiplied on a trip on the twistys and its a lot more power and drivability.
have to say, I do like the pure go-kart ease of an auto a lot of the time, esp in traffic.  Yup its lazy!
the economy difference is big as well, manual far better 

[Webby the Bear]

manual is for people who like to Drive.

auto is for people who have no interest in driving

i hate to disagree but i absolutely love driving. and i prefer an auto.

as for the ''increased performance'' seriously what extra are you going to get out of it? 1/2 a sec on a 0-60? hmmmm

yes, not much on a 0-60 sprint...

but multiplied on a trip on the twistys and its a lot more power and drivability.
have to say, I do like the pure go-kart ease of an auto a lot of the time, esp in traffic.  Yup its lazy!
the economy difference is big as well, manual far better 

true. i assume perfect gear changes/timing would be needed though.

i drove a stick whilst on holiday and it felt odd as aint driven one for a while. i kept forgetting to change gear 

[cem_devecioglu]

manual is for people who like to Drive.

auto is for people who have no interest in driving

i hate to disagree but i absolutely love driving. and i prefer an auto.

as for the ''increased performance'' seriously what extra are you going to get out of it? 1/2 a sec on a 0-60? hmmmm

over a second..  you may not believe.. but you better try first

I give up to sell the car

[cem_devecioglu]

manual is for people who like to Drive.

auto is for people who have no interest in driving

i hate to disagree but i absolutely love driving. and i prefer an auto.

as for the ''increased performance'' seriously what extra are you going to get out of it? 1/2 a sec on a 0-60? hmmmm

yes, not much on a 0-60 sprint...

but multiplied on a trip on the twistys and its a lot more power and drivability.
have to say, I do like the pure go-kart ease of an auto a lot of the time, esp in traffic.  Yup its lazy!
the economy difference is big as well, manual far better 

my average still around 7 litre/100 km.. and I give up to drive like miss daisy and still I didnt visit fuel station..

[cem_devecioglu]

Kevin and 2woody thanks for the info