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quick query 3.45diff
« on: 01 May 2012, 14:22:24 »

What spec omega runs a 3.45 diff please....  :-\

Also will saloon diff/drive shafts fit an estate??

Can someone ask 2woody please...???
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #1 on: 01 May 2012, 14:43:26 »

What spec omega runs a 3.45 diff please....  :-\

Also will saloon diff/drive shafts fit an estate??

Can someone ask 2woody please...???
Think it`s the 2.2 diesel
All V6 d/shafts are the same, all 4-pots the same, not interchangeable unless you use the hub as well
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #2 on: 03 May 2012, 13:59:09 »

What spec omega runs a 3.45 diff please....  :-\

Also will saloon diff/drive shafts fit an estate??

Can someone ask 2woody please...???
Think it`s the 2.2 diesel
All V6 d/shafts are the same, all 4-pots the same, not interchangeable unless you use the hub as well

So if the diff is from a 2.2dti 4pot will i need to swop the whole lot? or is the diff unit end of driveshafts the same??
a mate is breaking a 2.5 manual & an auto, guess diffs are different ratios...
ive been told all the V6s run a 3.70 inc the autos
but there are 4 diff ratios can any one confurm the diff ratios for each model?? & if auto/manual & engine types??
3.45
3.70
3.90
4.22
Thanks all
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #4 on: 03 May 2012, 14:58:45 »

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90453.0

Cheers Twig i looked but didnt find that... umm ok 2.2 has a 3.45  :y 

but has anyone done a pre/m facelift sheet??

need 2 find out the 2.5td ratios... coz thats all i can find & v6 ones....
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #5 on: 03 May 2012, 16:53:33 »

What spec omega runs a 3.45 diff please....  :-\

Also will saloon diff/drive shafts fit an estate??

Can someone ask 2woody please...???
Think it`s the 2.2 diesel
All V6 d/shafts are the same, all 4-pots the same, not interchangeable unless you use the hub as well

So if the diff is from a 2.2dti 4pot will i need to swop the whole lot? or is the diff unit end of driveshafts the same??
a mate is breaking a 2.5 manual & an auto, guess diffs are different ratios...
ive been told all the V6s run a 3.70 inc the autos
but there are 4 diff ratios can any one confurm the diff ratios for each model?? & if auto/manual & engine types??
3.45
3.70
3.90
4.22
Thanks all
Difference is the bolt pattern at the hub.
You`ve been told wrong then.
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #6 on: 03 May 2012, 18:51:47 »

What spec omega runs a 3.45 diff please....  :-\

Also will saloon diff/drive shafts fit an estate??

Can someone ask 2woody please...???
Think it`s the 2.2 diesel
All V6 d/shafts are the same, all 4-pots the same, not interchangeable unless you use the hub as well

So if the diff is from a 2.2dti 4pot will i need to swop the whole lot? or is the diff unit end of driveshafts the same??
a mate is breaking a 2.5 manual & an auto, guess diffs are different ratios...
ive been told all the V6s run a 3.70 inc the autos
but there are 4 diff ratios can any one confurm the diff ratios for each model?? & if auto/manual & engine types??
3.45
3.70
3.90
4.22
Thanks all
Difference is the bolt pattern at the hub.
You`ve been told wrong then.

so the 2.2dti diff will fit my driveshafts.. just wanted to check before i try find one..

GmasterT has pre facelift 2x 2.5tds diffs 1 from a manual 1 from an auto for sale but i calnt find out what ratio they are..
but also 1 a saloon 1 an estate but just need to work out ratios.. (as he calnt rem how to work it out)

looking on ebay there are a load of 2.5/3.0v6 diffs all 3.70 ratios
The spec sheet for mine is 3.90 & on motorway revs high at 3100rpm @70mph 3500rpm @80mph 3900rpm @90mph
so on a run of 100 miles im only returning 22-24mpg but @50mph @2400rpm i get 33-36mpg over 100miles
so by changing the diff to a 3.45 should drop my 70mph from 3100 to neer 2500rpm giving me better mpg..???
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #7 on: 03 May 2012, 18:59:20 »

Better off asking admin to move this to "General Help". :) Any more Q`s regarding Omega`s that`s where you should be posting :y
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #8 on: 03 May 2012, 19:04:55 »

Can admin please move this to best area to get a better viewing please guys  :y

& hopefully 2woody will notice it  :D
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #9 on: 03 May 2012, 23:07:23 »

Cheers Hotel21 for moving this for me!  :y
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #10 on: 06 May 2012, 00:46:53 »

Does ANYBODY know??? thanks twigg for the facelift specs but need to find out pre facelift specs too???
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #11 on: 06 May 2012, 01:18:16 »

Well the one out of my 2.5 manual is 3 and 1/4 turns on the prop to one wheel rev. Dunno how that translates? And on that I'm off to bed!
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #12 on: 06 May 2012, 21:24:14 »

apologies - I haven't been around a lot lately.

I also haven't had a chance to look at my diff stock to see what I've got - I've a hunch it's no 3.45's tho.

there are two distinct ways to measure what you've got......

if fitted, measure the engine revs you've got at, say 60 in 4th gear (manual) or 3rd gear (auto) with a sat-nav, then convert into mph per 1000 revs. Use this formula....

60000 divided by ( wheel revs per mile times diff ratio ) = mph per 1000 revs.

if the diff's not fitted, take the rear cover off, rotate the gubbins enough and you'll come across the number of teeth stamped on the crownwheel. 10:37 is 3.7 for instance.

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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #13 on: 07 May 2012, 15:18:59 »

ive been trying to souce one off ebay but all they say is "good diff out of a 2.5v6/3.0v6/2.5td/2.2petrol" etc etc & they all say that they are not prepaired to strip the units to find out...

so trying to find out what diffs are fitted into what engine specs/gearboxes

i already know my car is a explod 3.0v6 estate with a 2.5td wideratio gearbox & 3.90.1 LSD from factory spec sheet but
@70mph pulling 3000rpm in 5th
@80mph pulling 3400rpm in 5th
@90mph pulling 3800rpm in 5th
roughly 400rpm per 10mph
tomorrow im back up to bham so will find out @60mph in 4th the rpms, to see what gear-diff combo it says..??
as you say it should work out to be a 3.90.1 but i wonder with the W/R gearbox if it gives us a diff ratio??
basicly what im trying to acheive is to lower the rpms @70mph to around 2200/2400rpms because if u cruse at 50mph i get 36mpg but @ 70ish 27mpg  @ 80ish 24mpg  :-\
i use the car mostly for long distance motorway work use, ive a pug 106 1.5d for local journeys..
oh will a saloon diff fit an estate??
There was a guy on here (fogot user name :( )who got my spec sheet from my reg who works at a vauxhall dealer i wonder if i can ask people for reg numbers from each spec vehical if he could tell me the ratios??
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #14 on: 09 May 2012, 12:24:02 »

MUST use 4th

MUST use sat-nav for the speeds ( or other GPS device )

and also please post your tyre make and size.

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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #15 on: 11 May 2012, 00:48:41 »

ok woody i do that tomorrow mate cheers  :y

im running a 225 60 15 tyre atmo nexen directional with 6mm tread.. at the mo..

i was running a 245 40 17 but on motorway was only doing 24/26mpg but with the 225 60 15s im doing 32mpg over the last 2 weeks

the standard police tyre fitted was 205 65 15 & speedo calibrated to that... but with the 225 60 15s im doing same mph 60/60
& the 245 was 2mph out, 60mph 58 actual & on satnav 58

soon i will be changing my steels to the 19s with 275 30 19 rear tyres (which are same radius as a 235 45 17 tyre & a 205 65 15 tyre)

i will check the 60mph in 4th tomorrow
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #16 on: 11 May 2012, 12:59:28 »

Hi woody 60mph in 4th gear pulling 3100rpm & road angel confurms 60mph also Cheers & thanks  :y
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #17 on: 11 May 2012, 14:45:31 »

Most of the 3.0, 3.2 Autos and Manuals that I had pull around 2600 rpm at 70 MPH, in 5th or top for Auto, so diff ratio difference between the two boxes keep the rpm / mph the same.
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #18 on: 11 May 2012, 15:18:41 »

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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #19 on: 11 May 2012, 16:11:55 »

Remember the FAQ section. ;)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90497.0

Yeah saw that, just need a boffin to list which cars came with which ratios now :)
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #20 on: 12 May 2012, 11:03:07 »

Remember the FAQ section. ;)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90497.0

Yeah saw that, just need a boffin to list which cars came with which ratios now :)

Yep thats what i was going off in the beginning when i 1st asked the question 2mths ago in a diff post,
i know what ratio/rpms i want to try acheve by fitting a 3.45 with my manual box, as car isnt standard 3.0v6 manual
My mv6 plod is fitted with a 2.5td wide ratio gearbox (not a standard manual 3.0) & spec says 3.90.1 LSD (3.70.1 standard) which in both cases isnt a standard omega spec (gearbox/diff) i want to know if it will be ok fitting a 3.45.1?? & trying to find out what cars & what years have what spec ratios... there is a new F/L Spec sheet but no pre/mfl specs listed???

So what woody has asked is we know i have a 3.90 diff but is that the figure it should be when we calculate the RPM/TYRE/SPEED should =3.90.1???? working out my wide ratio gearbox specs???
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« Reply #21 on: 13 May 2012, 23:15:58 »

Fraid you'll have to wait till Tuesday when I'm back home !
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« Reply #22 on: 14 May 2012, 14:42:03 »

Fraid you'll have to wait till Tuesday when I'm back home !

no probs mate when you have time  :y
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #23 on: 14 May 2012, 15:38:02 »


Yep thats what i was going off in the beginning when i 1st asked the question 2mths ago in a diff post,
i know what ratio/rpms i want to try acheve by fitting a 3.45 with my manual box, as car isnt standard 3.0v6 manual
My mv6 plod is fitted with a 2.5td wide ratio gearbox (not a standard manual 3.0) & spec says 3.90.1 LSD (3.70.1 standard) which in both cases isnt a standard omega spec (gearbox/diff) i want to know if it will be ok fitting a 3.45.1?? & trying to find out what cars & what years have what spec ratios... there is a new F/L Spec sheet but no pre/mfl specs listed???

So what woody has asked is we know i have a 3.90 diff but is that the figure it should be when we calculate the RPM/TYRE/SPEED should =3.90.1???? working out my wide ratio gearbox specs???

I didn't know the 2.5td gearbox would fit on a V6? I thought it had a BMW pattern bellhousing that's not interchangeable?

Anyway, that aside, it sounds like your unknown is the gearbox ratios, then? If you know you have a 3.90 diff and want to replace it with a 3.45 diff, drive the car noting the speed at revs in each gear at various speeds of interest.

You know that swapping the 3.9 with a 3.45 will multiply the revs at any particular speed by (3.45/3.9) = 0.885, so you can work out how it will affect the gearing.

So, your 3000 RPM at 70MPH will change to about 2650.

Most gearboxes are 1:1 in 4th gear so 2woody's test will work regardless of the gearbox.
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« Reply #24 on: 17 May 2012, 12:32:08 »

LONG POST ALERT....

right - I've had chance to work on this a bit. There's lots of stuff in here, so I've tried to put it into sections. I'll also be using some figures, mostly mph per 1000 revs in 4th and 5th gears.

In summary, you have the closer ratio gearbox fitted, with a 3.7 diff. You have the wrong size tyres, giving you higher revs when cruising than a standard car.

Wide-ratio gearbox.

As far as I can tell, there's only two different ratio sets for Omega B :-

ratio set A is 3.95 2.19 1.39 1.00 0.84. Because of the low 5th gear, we'll call this the close-ratio set. It was fitted to V6 models and has the higher torque capacity (R28)

ratio set B is 3.81 2.11 1.34 1.00 0.76. This we'll call the wide-ratio set. It was fitted to everything else, including 2.5 TD. It has the lower torque capacity (r25)

It is not possible to build a wide-ratio R28. The higher-capacity parts are the gears themselves, so transferring them into another box would achieve nothing.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the lower capacity box. You're not going to break it, even if towing in the LAke District. I have one in my track car and it's been there for years. You could conceivably use a wide-ratio box in a V6.

What diff have I got ?

Ok - so here's the figures for your car.

With a 3.9 diff, you'll be getting 18.44 mph for every 1000 revs in 4th (calculated)
With a 3.7 diff, you'll be getting 19.44 mph for every 1000 revs in 4th (calculated)

you've measured 19.35, so it's a safe bet that you're currently equipped with a 3.7.

What gearbox have I got ?

Assuming that you've got a 3.7 diff.....

the close-ratio gearbox gives you 23.15 mph for every 1000 revs in 5th
the wide-ratio gearbox gives you 25.58 mph for every 1000 revs in 5th.

from your precious post, you have 3800 on the clock at 90 in 5th, so you have the close-ratio box fitted.

Tyres.

first thing to say is theat you've already got the wrong tyres on. 225/60 x 15 gives you 834 wheel revs per mile, whereas you need 817 ideally. If you corrected this, then you're up at 19.8 mph per 1000 revs (4th), which is already 100 revs less on the clock at 60 mph.

Your previous tyres ( the 245/40 x 17 ) were even further away from where you need to be at 842 wrpm. Swapping from the 245 to your current tyre has lowered your cruising revs ( by 50 revs at 60 mph )

your "ideal" tyre size of 275/30 x 19 ( which I wouldn't recommend for a number of reasons ) is a bit too far the other way, at 808 wrpm, which would give you 20 mph per 1000 revs (4th). But at least this would further lower your cruising revs by another 50.

Ok - so where to go from here.....

assuming that you correct your tyre problems, you can either change the diff to a 3.45 unit or fit the wide-ratio gearbox. Here's what you'd achieve :-

Your car with the correct tyres :-
60mph in 4th is 3022 rpm
80mph in 5th is 3385 rpm

Your car with the correct tyres and a 3.45 diff :-
60mph in 4th is 2819 rpm
80mph in 5th is 3155 rpm

your car with the correct tyres and the wide-ratio transmission :-
60mph in 4th is 3022 rpm
80mph in 5th is 3063 rpm

your car with the correct tyres, a 3.45 diff and the wide-ratio transmission :-

60mph in 4th is 2819 rpm
80mph in 5th is 2856 rpm

hope this all helps.
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #25 on: 17 May 2012, 21:49:25 »

BRILLIANT EXPLANATION AS ALWAYS WOODY!! :y

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« Reply #26 on: 17 May 2012, 23:01:38 »

why thank-a-you !
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« Reply #27 on: 17 May 2012, 23:21:47 »

very good explanation for R25 and R28 :y :y but what about R30 fitted to 2.2 dti and 3.2 V6 manual (police only) ? whats different on this box compere to other 2 boxes

thanks
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« Reply #28 on: 18 May 2012, 00:14:54 »

ahh.......

ummm.........

ok now im really confused... when my car left factory its spec sheet says 3.90.1 LSD & manual gearbox W/R spec fitted with steel wheels & 205 65 15 tyres

Looking under car its all corroded & bushes bolts havent ever been touched.. ive read threw the full service police print out it lists everything its ever had done to it over its 151k police miles in the years they thrashed it even down to the brandnew engine at 144k & 1 new clutch at the same mileage, the next keeper was an elderly gent in his late 70s & trust me he never had anything done to it not even a car wash!! only a few things to get it threw each mot, then i bought it, in nov with 160k on clock he did 9k in 7/8 years..
No way he had the diff replaced or the gearbox?? everything on this car was fked! seized & well worn out, i.e exhaust had more holes than a cullender & more rust than the titanic! rear shocks had both sheared at the top corroded, tyres were 185 70 15s cracked & very crazed, all 4 discs corroded lipped & badly pitted rear shoes worn to metal, front caliperes seized up & pads cracked, bodywork flatter than an ironing board! interior! dont even go there! 2huge dogs need i say more!
 
Anyway this now doesnt make sence??
it came with a 3.90.1 lsd & W/R gearbox 2.5td spec
i realised the 5th gear=speeds were on the 245 tyres,
the last one of 60mph=4th gear @3100rpm are on the 225/60/15s

im hoping to fit the 19s this weekend & also replace 2front wishbones/droplinks/front struts all fked since i bought it also  >:(
what rear tyre size on a 19 would be best??
using the onlinetyre calculator below
http://www.kouki.co.uk/utilities/visual-tyre-size-calculator
if i put in the original size on left of either 205/65/15 or 235/45/17 mv6 size & 275/30/19 on right i get a calculation of 0.0% or 0.7% saying that the 275 will match the 205 standard tyre??

so what your saying is a 3.45 diff will help lower my crusing rpms  :y
All i need to find out now which was the main aim of this post was...

what diffs are fitted into what pre/mfl omegas & will saloon fit estate?? Cheers woody for your time to work it out much apreciated  :y :y

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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #29 on: 18 May 2012, 00:26:15 »

For a 3.45 diff you're looking for a 2.5TD or 2.2DTI. None of the petrol models would have that ratio.
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« Reply #30 on: 18 May 2012, 11:07:05 »

I thought the 5th gear speeds were on your current tyres. Never mind, I'll have a look-see if  it makes any difference.
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« Reply #31 on: 18 May 2012, 11:09:46 »

very good explanation for R25 and R28 :y :y but what about R30 fitted to 2.2 dti and 3.2 V6 manual (police only) ? whats different on this box compere to other 2 boxes

thanks

never heard of it !

R25 and R28 only differ in the actual gears, so I assume shot-peened. Certainly bearings and synchro rings are the same.
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« Reply #32 on: 18 May 2012, 11:19:41 »

I thought the 5th gear speeds were on your current tyres. Never mind, I'll have a look-see if  it makes any difference.

No, it doesn't really.

I've worked out what you thought you had when you did the 5th gear figures, so that's the 245 tyres, a 3.9 diff and the wide-ratio gearbox.

you measured the following

70mph = 3000 revs in 5th
80mph = 3400 revs in 5th
90mph = 3800 revs in 5th

what you should have measured if indeed you had the configuration that you thought

70mph = 2911 revs in 5th
80mph = 3327 revs in 5th
80mph = 3740 revs in 5th

As you can see, we're only talking less than 100 revs here, which is well within error of rev counter or our (my) matching of trends to measured figures.

The one thing that does stand out is the 4th gear figure, so I remain convinced that you have 3.7.

Anyway, this post was about improvements - fitting the 3.45 diff and correcting your tyre size will definitely do that.

On the subject of tyres, that's something else I need to look up. What I can say is don't use an on-line calculator, I can guarantee it'll be wrong !
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« Reply #33 on: 18 May 2012, 11:40:52 »

I can find the following :-

235/35 at 823 wrpm
265/30 at 818 wrpm
275/30 at 811 wrpm

all from the Falken catalogue

they'll tramline mind you.
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #34 on: 18 May 2012, 12:12:19 »

I thought the 5th gear speeds were on your current tyres. Never mind, I'll have a look-see if  it makes any difference.

No, it doesn't really.

I've worked out what you thought you had when you did the 5th gear figures, so that's the 245 tyres, a 3.9 diff and the wide-ratio gearbox.

you measured the following

70mph = 3000 revs in 5th
80mph = 3400 revs in 5th
90mph = 3800 revs in 5th

what you should have measured if indeed you had the configuration that you thought

70mph = 2911 revs in 5th
80mph = 3327 revs in 5th
80mph = 3740 revs in 5th

As you can see, we're only talking less than 100 revs here, which is well within error of rev counter or our (my) matching of trends to measured figures.

The one thing that does stand out is the 4th gear figure, so I remain convinced that you have 3.7.

Anyway, this post was about improvements - fitting the 3.45 diff and correcting your tyre size will definitely do that.

On the subject of tyres, that's something else I need to look up. What I can say is don't use an on-line calculator, I can guarantee it'll be wrong !

prob my eyesight as the rev counter doesnt have 100rpm marks its slightly harder to work out bang on accuracy as you know, but ide say you are bang on right!!  :y
im wondering if fitting the 19s will be a mistake hard ride etc but should corner well tho...
only time will tell this weekend.... ::)
so can you just confurm kevs post that a 2.2dti & 2.5tds have the correct 3.45.1 rear diff?? & will saloon diff fit estate???  ???

Cheers for your time 2woody defo a valued OOF member!!!  :y
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Re: quick query 3.45diff
« Reply #35 on: 18 May 2012, 13:30:31 »

I can find the following :-

235/35 at 823 wrpm
265/30 at 818 wrpm
275/30 at 811 wrpm

all from the Falken catalogue

they'll tramline mind you.

275/30 Falkens. <bides his time until Chrisgixer sees that> 
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« Reply #36 on: 18 May 2012, 14:06:29 »

275/30 Falkens. <bides his time until Chrisgixer sees that> 

Heh - funny that, I just spotted what the M3 is currently shod with and very nearly took a picture just for Chris.. ;D
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« Reply #37 on: 18 May 2012, 14:24:37 »

i got a full set of conti in 19s that im going to fit, but looks like 2mro now because my mobile tyre mate coming at midday 2mro  :(
just debaiting which rears to fit... 275 30 19 or 275 35 19??

ummm....  :-\
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« Reply #38 on: 18 May 2012, 15:03:56 »

275/30 Falkens. <bides his time until Chrisgixer sees that> 

Heh - funny that, I just spotted what the M3 is currently shod with and very nearly took a picture just for Chris.. ;D

 ;D

At least other drivers will be expecting that to randomly change lane without indicating. ;)
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« Reply #39 on: 18 May 2012, 15:33:27 »

chris's bmw..?? all beemer drivers are like that  :P

on the 245s i had to use the mid lane most of the way up m5 to bham because if i used lane 1 i had 2 choices hard shoulder or lane 2!! didnt even tramline in that lane because of the wide omega track it couldnt make its mind which lorry rutt to stick in!!!
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« Reply #40 on: 18 May 2012, 23:19:14 »

3.45 definitely 2.5 diesel manual and auto and 2.2 diesel manual ( there's no auto )

I only used Falken as the example as they are rare amongst tyre manufacturers in publishing wheel revs per mile figures.
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