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[GastronomicKleptomaniac]

After I proved my manliness and broke the key into three pieces earlier, I need a new one.
 The key blade is intact but the plastic horseshoe piece is broken. Can I take this piece to a key cutting place and get just that replaced? Is the immobiliser chip in that bit or the transponder part?

[TheBoy]

transponder is in horshoe, but has probably fallen out if you've bust the horseshoe.

[zirk]

transponder is in horshoe, but has probably fallen out if you've bust the horseshoe.

Was just thinking the same.

[GastronomicKleptomaniac]

Ahhhhhhhh bugger! Ill go for a look now 

[zirk]

Ahhhhhhhh bugger! Ill go for a look now 

Yea, they look like this, only a lot, ,lot, smaller. Good luck.

[GastronomicKleptomaniac]

Awful feeling it's been washed away in one of the storms I ran inside and hid from. Not helped by being on a gravel driveway...

...I shall go and check out the FAQs for info but what am I looking at for a new usable key? A kidney?

[Andy H]

Awful feeling it's been washed away in one of the storms I ran inside and hid from. Not helped by being on a gravel driveway...

...I shall go and check out the FAQs for info but what am I looking at for a new usable key? A kidney?

No where near that bad.

When I needed  second key I bought the blade & horseshoe and I also bought the three button fob that it clips onto from Evans Halshaw. Both together were about £80 IIRC. (so blade & horseshoe probably less than £40 )

I then went to that years OOF Lakes meet and got TB to programme it for me

[GastronomicKleptomaniac]

Done some digging - the button half is complete and functioning...

...if I get something like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNCUT-KEY-BLADE-HEAD-ID40-TRANSPONDER-FOR-VAUXHALL-OPEL-ASTRA-VECTRA-OMEGA-R-/321065227918?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368

then get a key man to cut it for me... then can I pop down to see Mr DTM to have the whole thing programmed? Will only cost £30 in fuel in MrsGKs Lupo

[Andy H]

Done some digging - the button half is complete and functioning...

...if I get something like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNCUT-KEY-BLADE-HEAD-ID40-TRANSPONDER-FOR-VAUXHALL-OPEL-ASTRA-VECTRA-OMEGA-R-/321065227918?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368

then get a key man to cut it for me... then can I pop down to see Mr DTM to have the whole thing programmed? Will only cost £30 in fuel in MrsGKs Lupo

If you get the blade from Vauxhall it will already be cut with the correct profile.

The key doesn't require programming - it is the security ECU in the car that gets programmed so MrsGKs Lupo isn't going to be much help.........

[Nick W]

Why not source the key blank, cutting, chip and programming at one place? It's only common Vauxhall work.

[zirk]

Why bother getting the key cut if it doesn.t open the door, could be the locks have been swapped or mixed at some point, if it has, probably easier to get a good second hand lock set and keys from somewhere.

[Andy B]

Why bother getting the key cut if it doesn.t open the door, could be the locks have been swapped or mixed at some point, if it has, probably easier to get a good second hand lock set and keys from somewhere.

cos presumably it started the car 

[zirk]

Why bother getting the key cut if it doesn.t open the door, could be the locks have been swapped or mixed at some point, if it has, probably easier to get a good second hand lock set and keys from somewhere.

cos presumably it started the car 

Well yea, obviously I appreciate the key worked in the ignition, the point I was on about is the key may or not fit the door, wouldn't be the first time Ive come across an Omega where the Ing Key doesn't work on the doors, because its been swapped out in its previous life, you normally find out when the battery is flat or the fob's packed up.

If it was me, I'd be thinking a couple of steps ahead before buying blank keys or issuing the VX Dealer with my open wallet. The OP has still got the key blade, so that can be investigated further to see whether it fits the door lock or not.

Hopefully its a stick'y lock, if its not, dont think I'd be getting another key cut just for the Ing. probably get the whole set sorted out with a second hand setup. 

[GastronomicKleptomaniac]

Done some digging - the button half is complete and functioning...

...if I get something like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNCUT-KEY-BLADE-HEAD-ID40-TRANSPONDER-FOR-VAUXHALL-OPEL-ASTRA-VECTRA-OMEGA-R-/321065227918?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368

then get a key man to cut it for me... then can I pop down to see Mr DTM to have the whole thing programmed? Will only cost £30 in fuel in MrsGKs Lupo

If you get the blade from Vauxhall it will already be cut with the correct profile.

The key doesn't require programming - it is the security ECU in the car that gets programmed so MrsGKs Lupo isn't going to be much help.........

Ahhhh I had it arse about face, thought it were a case of coding the key using a code from the car pass 

Might be able to transplant the key blade into a spare case, I have one kicking about the garage... will update as and when.

[Andy H]

Done some digging - the button half is complete and functioning...

...if I get something like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNCUT-KEY-BLADE-HEAD-ID40-TRANSPONDER-FOR-VAUXHALL-OPEL-ASTRA-VECTRA-OMEGA-R-/321065227918?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368

then get a key man to cut it for me... then can I pop down to see Mr DTM to have the whole thing programmed? Will only cost £30 in fuel in MrsGKs Lupo

If you get the blade from Vauxhall it will already be cut with the correct profile.

The key doesn't require programming - it is the security ECU in the car that gets programmed so MrsGKs Lupo isn't going to be much help.........

Ahhhh I had it arse about face, thought it were a case of coding the key using a code from the car pass 

Might be able to transplant the key blade into a spare case, I have one kicking about the garage... will update as and when.

If you have a spare horseshoe with transponder still in place then you just need MDTM to program the  ECU to accept it.

[GastronomicKleptomaniac]

Can I buy a new ID40 chip on its own and get it programmed... and glue the key back together if necessary? I have all the pieces,  sans chip, that a good dose of glue will hold together...

[zirk]

Can I buy a new ID40 chip on its own and get it programmed... and glue the key back together if necessary? I have all the pieces,  sans chip, that a good dose of glue will hold together...

The car needs to be programmed to accept a new chip.  do you have the Security Card Code for the car?

[Andy H]

Can I buy a new ID40 chip on its own and get it programmed... and glue the key back together if necessary? I have all the pieces,  sans chip, that a good dose of glue will hold together...

The car needs to be programmed to accept a new chip.  do you have the Security Card Code for the car?

I would be outside now with a bright light picking over the gravel to find the missing chip 

[zirk]

Can I buy a new ID40 chip on its own and get it programmed... and glue the key back together if necessary? I have all the pieces,  sans chip, that a good dose of glue will hold together...

The car needs to be programmed to accept a new chip.  do you have the Security Card Code for the car?

I would be outside now with a bright light picking over the gravel to find the missing chip 

No offence to the OP, but knowing whats involved and without a spare key, I wouldn't have given up looking for it yesterday.

[GastronomicKleptomaniac]

If you'd seen the hail storm, you would have!

Plan A is to find the chip. Can't have gone far.

Plan B is a new chip in old key. Theres a possibility that one of my colleagues has an imitation Tech 2 or code reader which can do keys... in which case I just need a car pass from the dealer.

Plan C, we will use if necessary! 

[05omegav6]

If you'd seen the hail storm, you would have!

Plan A is to find the chip. Can't have gone far.

Plan B is a new chip in old key. Theres a possibility that one of my colleagues has an imitation Tech 2 or code reader which can do keys... in which case I just need a car pass from the dealer.

Plan C, we will use if necessary! 

Don't bother with Plan Bif you value your ecus

[GastronomicKleptomaniac]

If you'd seen the hail storm, you would have!

Plan A is to find the chip. Can't have gone far.

Plan B is a new chip in old key. Theres a possibility that one of my colleagues has an imitation Tech 2 or code reader which can do keys... in which case I just need a car pass from the dealer.

Plan C, we will use if necessary! 

Don't bother with Plan Bif you value your ecus

Tell me more. .. I freely admit im a beginner with the electronic side of things...

[05omegav6]

Voldemort has a poor track record when it comes to ecu coding.

If you have the car pass, then it should be a quick run to Mark and job done. If you don't have the car pass, get one

Finding the chip is the simplest solution, then buy a key blank, get it cut to match original and fit the original chip/fob to it. Job jobbed

[terry paget]

Awful feeling it's been washed away in one of the storms I ran inside and hid from. Not helped by being on a gravel driveway...

...I shall go and check out the FAQs for info but what am I looking at for a new usable key? A kidney?

In March 2014 my son Ben complained his 2.2 would not start. I  changed the crank sensor (nasty job) to no avail. He then confessed he had dropped his key in the drive and it had fallen apart. He popped the fob back on again, seemed OK, but car would not start; then I thpught he might have lost the transponder. I asked him where he had dropped the key, he said on the drive. This had been 2 weeks previously. The drive is tarmacadam. I spent half an hour on my hands and knees looking for the transponder. Amazingly I found it. I put it back in the key fob and all was well. I know I was lucky, finding it, and not crushed by other cars.
It's worth a good search! Pic follows.

[GastronomicKleptomaniac]

Have dug up half the gravel around the car and sifted it by hand! No joy... 

[Andy B]

Ages back I had an Astra that had two keys, but only used the one. One time I was sat on the floor while working on a car and found chip ...... didn't know I'd lost one  ..... it was from the 'spare' key! 

[johnnydog]

On the odd occasion when my key has come apart, it's usually been when I have been (whilst in a rush probably) turning the key to take it out of the ignition. On each occasion, I found the chip on the drivers rubber mat; difficult to spot as it looks like a piece of gravel that collects from your shoes. Unless, of course I've missed something and you were outside the car at the time....

[Nick W]

I've mentioned this before; If your key is loose enough to come apart, then you should glue the chip in place! It doesn't need much, a dab of superglue or even from a hot snot gun will plenty. And then you won't have to grovel about on your hands an knees looking for the thing.