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[Diamond Black Geezer]

So it's begun, today the launch of London's ULEZ (Ultra Low Emission Zone)

So the premise is to get rid of dirty polluting old cars in The Capital, to help improve air quality.

I throw open the floor... what do we think?

[aaronjb]

I don't think what I think is printable 

[amba]

Couldn't stand driving..( well crawling) many years ago when I had work in South London.

Don't miss it and even if they paid me £25 a day to drive there I wouldn't go so the charge isnt going to affect me now 

[Mutha Jugs n Speed]

Did a check.....VXR8 OK,  Both 3.2's OK  3.0 liable for the charge ermm

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I think my Tata will be exempt from any charges.

It's very green and environmentally friendly.

[Mutha Jugs n Speed]

They would have to pay me to go into that disgusting sh**hole

[2boxerdogs]

They would have to pay me to go into that disgusting sh**hole

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Keep London & that stupid Fu**ing Mayor , damn shi**ole of a place.

[biggriffin]

It won't stop the fleets of old banged up sprinter vans delivering .com parcels, as they are all registered to his cousin.

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Which raises something of a 2-dimensional thinking on the part of government (surely not)

A VXR8 at 324 g/km gets in free, as its 'young enough'
versus a 2.5 CDX at 263.0 g/km pays, as its a 'dirty old' car

Why not base any charge on the vehicles emissions, rather than simply its age, and the 'dirty' assumption made therein. It’s patently obvious that a Polo 1.0 that’s just outside the ‘free’ age category will pump out less carbons than a Aston Vanquish just under.

You could put in your vehicle reg into a website, app, or post-pay using an ANPR-derived system, same as used in some car parks. That would tell you whether your vehicle is eligible, and more fairly, introducing a gradient system would in reality help. Maybe...

0-100g/km FREE
101-200 g/km £3
201-300 g/km £6
301-400 g/km £9
401+£12
Or thereabouts.

That’s before we actually take into account the real in practice reality of the situation. I give you 2 scenarios...
1984 Senator that kicks out a chunk of coal every mile drives in and out of the ULEZ covering 20miles.
2018 Hybrid spends all day in there, doing errands, visiting coffee houses, and vegan clothes shops, covers 200miles.

It’s clear that the latter is physically doing more ‘harm’ to Danny Dyer’s lungs than the former. However the Hybrid gets in free. Surely the physical amount of evil chucked out the tailpipe should be the issue.

A retired bloke who runs a classic Jensen, doing 3000m/yr is kicking out less harm to the planet than a Rep who does 80,000m/yr in a super efficient biturbo PHEV SUV thing.

[STEMO]

It's just another tax. It won't stop people driving into central London, they'll just have to pay for the privilege. The air will be no cleaner.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Exactly. The worst of the pollution is probably caused by Buses and taxis anyway.
Apparently the worst pollution is in tube stations. My daughter who is asthmatic and lives in central London, says that she is ok walking around the streets but if she travels by tube she gets real problems.
It gives Little Tin Kahn a legacy though, I suppose. 

[Varche]

I hardly dare make my comment for fear of being flamed.

They have got to do something. This is a start.

The nearest big city to us is Granada. Because of its geography it always has a highly visible pall of filthy pollution over it which shows up in official figures. I doubt you can see the same filthy pollution over London because of the relatively flat landscape.

The problem is of course trying to achieve change quickly and too late.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I agree that something has to be done about pollution. I don't think this will work though. It will bring a lot of money into the coffers however.
Little tin khan said on tv this morning that it is to encourage people onto public transport. That is already hideously overcrowded and the pollution is worse than on the streets.
London is a good place to live if you want to make money and have plenty of nightlife options. It isn't a good place to live if you want good quality air, or good healthy quality of life in general.

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Raising the price of fags.

result - same amount of people smoking - but it looks like we're doing something to help health!

[Gaffers]

[irony]
3.2 diesel pick-up truck = exempt
1.9 3-door astra = ULEZ charge
[/irony]