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[dave the builder]

Those figures don't make sense, Aaron

As you can see, I use over 5000 KW of gas and over 300KW of electric.

And here's mine:

so your using 14.79 Kwh to 22.79 Kwh per day of electricity   

[Mister Rog]

£1K a quarter is ridiculous! I use £180 a month during December, January and February but only used £40 last month.

Christ, do you sit in the dark and live in a cave? I'd love it if my summer-time bills were only £40/mo - they just upped my monthly DD to £210! I think even if I didn't turn anything on I'd use more than £40s worth of leccy & gas..

Very possibly he does . . . ( Que Hovis music  )  It's tough oooppp North

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJi_5T0jSnA

At least us northerners can spell. That's cue, not que.

Just testing. You passed


PS: If I pay your energy bill, will you pay mine ?

[TheBoy]

I need to switch, but npower completely fikked it all up last time, so although my deal for one has ended, need to wait for the other to end.

Nor have the fikkwits sent me a bill, just quarterly letters that I'm one of the few with billing issues that will be sorted really soon.


Dickweeds.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I have a vague memory of some rule that they cant make you pay after a certain time has passed, as long as you haven't been responsible for not paying bills sent to you.
My daughter had a situation where she signed up for dual fuel direct debit but they only took money out of her account for gas. After a couple of years they realised they had cocked up, so sent her a huge bill with a letter threatening legal action, and then a few days later cut off her electricity, without warning.
It was Christmas eve when this happened and she was in bed suffering with a severe asthma attack.
Once recovered she got her very sharp teeth into them, and was informed that legally she didn't have to pay for the electricity they billed her for, but they compensated her for the treatment she received.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I'm with Economy Energy as they were the cheapest I could find when I switched last October. 

However, what a PITA they are to deal with.    They started my account with estimated readings, despite the fact that I had given them accurate readings, and this was due to cost me about £90!    Everytime I complained they told me there was nothing they could do as the account had been set up with those readings and it was withing industry standards.    Eventually I told them that I would take to Facebook, share my experience and advice everyone not to sign up with them. Magically, they adjusted my account! 

Last week I had a phone call allegedly from Economy Energy asking for my meter readings.  I told the person that I would submit them online, which I did, the readings went onto my online account and I had an email confirming this.  This week I had another phone from them asking for meter readings. I told them I had submitted them online.  She said it has not appeared on my account. I said I had a confirmation email. She asked me to phone Customer Services with the readings and I told her I would do so and then I would know for sure that I was speaking to someone from Economy Energy!   

[TD]

I have a vague memory of some rule that they cant make you pay after a certain time has passed, as long as you haven't been responsible for not paying bills sent to you.
My daughter had a situation where she signed up for dual fuel direct debit but they only took money out of her account for gas. After a couple of years they realised they had cocked up, so sent her a huge bill with a letter threatening legal action, and then a few days later cut off her electricity, without warning.
It was Christmas eve when this happened and she was in bed suffering with a severe asthma attack.
Once recovered she got her very sharp teeth into them, and was informed that legally she didn't have to pay for the electricity they billed her for, but they compensated her for the treatment she received.

Quite correct  Its 12 months . When I changed to my energy supplier, they failed to collect the DD for over 12 months. They sent me a big bill. After doing some research on the OFGEM website, I found this out. I threatened to submit the case to OFGEM for them to decide, all of a sudden, I got another bill, with the 12+ months taken off   

I was only paying £39/month for my gas and leccy, but last month they put it up to £43/month 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Funnily enough there was a article in the Wail on Sunday today which confirms the 12 month limit. 

[Shackeng]

Indeed , 3 Kwh is how much electricity it takes to run a 3Kw appliance for 1 hour,(say a 13 amp kettle)
or a 1 Kw appliance for 3 hours

we use about 20 Kwh per day
probably a bit more than average because of the pumps,water treatment running 24/7 for the Koi

Don't leave the kettle on for an hour, it will boil dry. However, modern appliances have a safety device called a thermal cut out, so your kettle will be safe.
No need to thank me 

The 13 mp kettle was an example  for people who don't know what a Kwh is 
but a builder's kettle may be re-filled many times in that hour
if it did "boil dry" the price of the job would increase 

If the kettle broke , would people ask 🎶 🎵 Dave the builder, can you fix it? 🎶 🎵 

truth be told ,the "people" would go to argos and buy a new one ,give me the old one , "Dave the builder" would fix it or throw it in the scrap metal pile for weighing in 


solar panels are coming down in price now but still not economically viable for most people
battery technology / power banks ,has moved on in leaps and bounds ,but still not economically viable for most people

Probably correct, yet the leccy mate who fitted mine in 2010, is as busy as ever fitting them.

[Doctor Gollum]

Indeed , 3 Kwh is how much electricity it takes to run a 3Kw appliance for 1 hour,(say a 13 amp kettle)
or a 1 Kw appliance for 3 hours

we use about 20 Kwh per day
probably a bit more than average because of the pumps,water treatment running 24/7 for the Koi

Don't leave the kettle on for an hour, it will boil dry. However, modern appliances have a safety device called a thermal cut out, so your kettle will be safe.
No need to thank me 

The 13 mp kettle was an example  for people who don't know what a Kwh is 
but a builder's kettle may be re-filled many times in that hour
if it did "boil dry" the price of the job would increase 

If the kettle broke , would people ask 🎶 🎵 Dave the builder, can you fix it? 🎶 🎵 

truth be told ,the "people" would go to argos and buy a new one ,give me the old one , "Dave the builder" would fix it or throw it in the scrap metal pile for weighing in 


solar panels are coming down in price now but still not economically viable for most people
battery technology / power banks ,has moved on in leaps and bounds ,but still not economically viable for most people

Probably correct, yet the leccy mate who fitted mine in 2010, is as busy as ever fitting them.

Is it just me, or is there a developing trend re renewable energy sources... 

[dave the builder]

There does seem to be in interest just recently in "renewable energy sources"
trying to reduce "global warming "
if it was warmer in winter , we would use less electricity 
the amount of energy ,carbon footprint ,to make solar panels and batteries ,transport them thousands of miles ,fit them ,
seems daft ,in a country with coal under our feet
the coal powered power stations had been fitted with catalytic converters , reducing emissions, just before they shut down.
leaving the country dangerously close to full capacity for electrical generation .

next they will be saying we have to get rid of our thirsty v6 petrol powered cars  and drive electric milk floats 

[Doctor Gollum]

There's a plug socket for that idea

[plym ian]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44903471

[Mister Rog]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44903471

It was a stupid idea in the first place, for a whole load of reasons.

I often wonder if politicians are recruited from the most naïve

[Alnico Blue]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44903471

It was a stupid idea in the first place, for a whole load of reasons.

I often wonder if politicians are recruited from the most naïve

Smart meters for water are a good idea IMO . . . . a possible leak anywhere customer side of the meter on your supply will  be  noticed by your supplier as 24/7 constant useage, and they should investigate or at least advise you something is going on as your bill will be higher than it should be  . . in some cases VERY much higher.

Of course  this won't apply to electricity . . . 

Or gas . . . with a gas leak  you either smell it or your house blows up 

So apart from the possibilty of drowning you, water is by far the friendliest of the utilities 

The problem with water meters is that where as with gas & electricity everyone has always paid by what they use  . . .with water it was pay the annual rate & use as much as you like  . . .now people are being asked /told to have their water metered & pay for what they use . . . most are not happy IMO

[STEMO]

I was paying £60 a month for my water when it was metered in my last house, 3 beds, 1 bathroom. This house, 4 beds, 2 bathrooms has no meter, £36 a month.
I'm going to resist as long as I can.