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Re: Woolwich terror attack
« Reply #60 on: 26 May 2013, 16:36:08 »

good grieff lizzie,not content with being a socialist tory,your also a stoolpigeon,the stasi would be proud... :o ;D


I know! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Re: Woolwich terror attack
« Reply #61 on: 26 May 2013, 16:36:27 »

I will not hide as it is not my way and say I did "push the button" as certain comments were fast going the wrong way and could be seen as racially motivated, with a risk of inciting hatred against Muslims.

This is not right for any Forum that is decent, and cannot be correct for a car forum, being exactly what two admins have warned about recently with a suggestion they may have to close the OOF down if it gave them anymore agro.

The comments that were starting to be made were unsafe, and could, I politely warn you, attract the attention of the authorities who are now watching for any backlash on the Internet following the Woolwich incident.

Personally with these I am finding it very difficult to ignore them, and I must declare a legal interest in the content.  I am an advisor to both Kent Police and the Crown Prosecution Service on, amongst many other subjects, on Hate Crime in general with all that entails.  It is therefore becoming a conflict for me to see these threads and particular posts on them, that I hope you can readily identify, without taking action as I see fit with the authorities I advise.  In fact I have been asked, along with other Police ICIA's, by Kent Police to contain extreme racially motivated comment on the Internet and life in general, reporting back to them as required.

Sorry to stop being a nice Lizzie Zoom, but I will stand up and be counted when the law is starting to be impinged and especially when it is taking our wonderful forum to the brink.  I, as most of you know, can be "strong minded" when it comes to political matters and make my views known, but I know when to draw the line, and have made a point of doing that even more so after the recent debate on such posting.

Let's all take a deep breadth and respect our fellow human beings, letting the authorities take the appropriate action as necessary after such a terrible crime without expressing on a public forum extreme views. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Totally agree Lizzie -as I said eye for an eye-whole world blind in a week :y
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Re: Woolwich terror attack
« Reply #62 on: 26 May 2013, 16:38:15 »

I will not hide as it is not my way and say I did "push the button" as certain comments were fast going the wrong way and could be seen as racially motivated, with a risk of inciting hatred against Muslims.

This is not right for any Forum that is decent, and cannot be correct for a car forum, being exactly what two admins have warned about recently with a suggestion they may have to close the OOF down if it gave them anymore agro.

The comments that were starting to be made were unsafe, and could, I politely warn you, attract the attention of the authorities who are now watching for any backlash on the Internet following the Woolwich incident.

Personally with these I am finding it very difficult to ignore them, and I must declare a legal interest in the content.  I am an advisor to both Kent Police and the Crown Prosecution Service on, amongst many other subjects, on Hate Crime in general with all that entails.  It is therefore becoming a conflict for me to see these threads and particular posts on them, that I hope you can readily identify, without taking action as I see fit with the authorities I advise.  In fact I have been asked, along with other Police ICIA's, by Kent Police to contain extreme racially motivated comment on the Internet and life in general, reporting back to them as required.

Sorry to stop being a nice Lizzie Zoom, but I will stand up and be counted when the law is starting to be impinged and especially when it is taking our wonderful forum to the brink.  I, as most of you know, can be "strong minded" when it comes to political matters and make my views known, but I know when to draw the line, and have made a point of doing that even more so after the recent debate on such posting.

Let's all take a deep breadth and respect our fellow human beings, letting the authorities take the appropriate action as necessary after such a terrible crime without expressing on a public forum extreme views.  Two wrongs do not make a right.

i am so shocked Lizzie a spelling mistake, what is the world coming to  :o :o ;) :) :) never seen that before :o :o ;D ;D

I thought the police always watch this site, its how they repair all thier omegas  :) :) :y

did read a few comments and thought along similar lines that it may get out of hand :( :(


How I misspelt that........brain working too fast again! ;D ;D ;D

And yes, that is what I was afraid of............the line was about to be crossed and none of us must forget that this is a worldwide public site :y :y
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Re: Woolwich terror attack
« Reply #63 on: 26 May 2013, 18:45:49 »

Firstly, I'm a believer in the rule of law, not the rule of the mob. What these two individuals did in Woolwich was the latter. If we all take the law into our own hands, this country would be like Syria or Somalia which I'm sure none of us want. Would you really want to be taking your life into your hands everytime you go out to buy a loaf of bread or a pint of milk?

The Nazis tried in Ukraine killing 100 locals for every german soldier killed by the partisans. This did not stop the killing of German soldiers, in fact it increased it due to the feeling of injustice. After their defeat at Stalingrad many German soldiers tried to escape through the Ukraine, but very few made it back to safe areas as the partisans took their revenge on the killing of the innocent civilian population. Where many Germans thought they would be safe going through woodlands, the opposite was true as that was familiar territory to the partisans where they hid and lived in them. Such action on innocent people of any community would leave many people quite rightly aggrieved. I certaining would not want to see any such gross injustice to any members of UK society.

99.9% of Muslims are law abiding citizens that like you and me want to earn a living and bring up or be part of their family. Attacks on such people and their Mosques is again the rule of the mob and must be condemned. If not, where will it end, the killing of innocent muslims, which would make us as bad as the terrorists in Woolwich.

I think that there is a problem in society where only a white man can be racist and this does need to be addressed. Likewise, the free to exploit attitude of the authorities to vulnerable white girls by Asian gangs. But it both cases it is the politicians and authorities that need to get their act together to address these issues so there is a level playing field in the eyes of the law for all UK citizens regardless of colour, creed or faith. Good law is where all people are equal in the eyes of the law. Sadly, IMHO there have been many bad and misguided laws passed in the last 15 years. This was not a problem before 1997, nor was the expelling of undesirable people back to their country of origin, where it was against the UK national interest for them to be here.

For society to work we all have to obey good and bad laws. This means the laws we like but also the laws we dislike as this is the only way society can work in a civilised way.

I very happy with a reasonable levels of immigration as I think this has added to UK society, but I don't agree with the mass migration that has happened since 1997, but we can't turn the clock back, we are where we are. The Conservatives are trying hard to stem the tide with some success, but if like me you don't like our current society on many levels, then either make the effort to change it through peaceful political activism or like me decide to emigrate to where you feel more at home. I'm not alone 1,000,000 people that were born here have left in the last 10 years, mainly people with international in demand skills.
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Re: Woolwich terror attack
« Reply #64 on: 26 May 2013, 20:16:21 »

I will not hide as it is not my way and say I did "push the button" as certain comments were fast going the wrong way and could be seen as racially motivated, with a risk of inciting hatred against Muslims.

This is not right for any Forum that is decent, and cannot be correct for a car forum, being exactly what two admins have warned about recently with a suggestion they may have to close the OOF down if it gave them anymore agro.

The comments that were starting to be made were unsafe, and could, I politely warn you, attract the attention of the authorities who are now watching for any backlash on the Internet following the Woolwich incident.

Personally with these I am finding it very difficult to ignore them, and I must declare a legal interest in the content.  I am an advisor to both Kent Police and the Crown Prosecution Service on, amongst many other subjects, on Hate Crime in general with all that entails.  It is therefore becoming a conflict for me to see these threads and particular posts on them, that I hope you can readily identify, without taking action as I see fit with the authorities I advise.  In fact I have been asked, along with other Police ICIA's, by Kent Police to contain extreme racially motivated comment on the Internet and life in general, reporting back to them as required.

Sorry to stop being a nice Lizzie Zoom, but I will stand up and be counted when the law is starting to be impinged and especially when it is taking our wonderful forum to the brink.  I, as most of you know, can be "strong minded" when it comes to political matters and make my views known, but I know when to draw the line, and have made a point of doing that even more so after the recent debate on such posting.

Let's all take a deep breadth and respect our fellow human beings, letting the authorities take the appropriate action as necessary after such a terrible crime without expressing on a public forum extreme views.  Two wrongs do not make a right.



so what is it GCHQ do???....as has far as a couple of persons i know that work at GCHQ that is what they are set up to do... in my capacity lizzie within kent police i need to respectivley remind you you really should not be posting on an open forum that you asked to advise a goverment agency :-X :-X
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Re: Woolwich terror attack
« Reply #65 on: 26 May 2013, 20:52:10 »

I will not hide as it is not my way and say I did "push the button" as certain comments were fast going the wrong way and could be seen as racially motivated, with a risk of inciting hatred against Muslims.

This is not right for any Forum that is decent, and cannot be correct for a car forum, being exactly what two admins have warned about recently with a suggestion they may have to close the OOF down if it gave them anymore agro.

The comments that were starting to be made were unsafe, and could, I politely warn you, attract the attention of the authorities who are now watching for any backlash on the Internet following the Woolwich incident.

Personally with these I am finding it very difficult to ignore them, and I must declare a legal interest in the content.  I am an advisor to both Kent Police and the Crown Prosecution Service on, amongst many other subjects, on Hate Crime in general with all that entails.  It is therefore becoming a conflict for me to see these threads and particular posts on them, that I hope you can readily identify, without taking action as I see fit with the authorities I advise.  In fact I have been asked, along with other Police ICIA's, by Kent Police to contain extreme racially motivated comment on the Internet and life in general, reporting back to them as required.

Sorry to stop being a nice Lizzie Zoom, but I will stand up and be counted when the law is starting to be impinged and especially when it is taking our wonderful forum to the brink.  I, as most of you know, can be "strong minded" when it comes to political matters and make my views known, but I know when to draw the line, and have made a point of doing that even more so after the recent debate on such posting.

Let's all take a deep breadth and respect our fellow human beings, letting the authorities take the appropriate action as necessary after such a terrible crime without expressing on a public forum extreme views.  Two wrongs do not make a right.



so what is it GCHQ do???....as has far as a couple of persons i know that work at GCHQ that is what they are set up to do... in my capacity lizzie within kent police i need to respectivley remind you you really should not be posting on an open forum that you asked to advise a goverment agency :-X :-X


Why not?  That is what I can do as a police ICIA in this instance, such is the concern of the Home Office.   In addition I have been asked, as I stated, to monitor racists and inflammatory comment as Kent Police, with the other forces, want to stop any unrest and unnecessary worry spreading amongst the people, and try and calm certain sections of our communities to avoid a backlash.

It is good for the average person to understand that such action is taking place in their interests, as Kent Police have stated in an e-mail to me and want me to convey in part publicly, including on Internet sites such as this, and the community generally with senior police officer approval.  However, much of what I specifically discuss within my brief cannot be made public as per the Official Secrets Act :) :) ;)

As for GCHQ; you should know that it is for the gathering of information and intelligence by MI agencies on a far higher level than the local police, dealing with potential threats from foreign governments and their agents, plus terrorist activity at lower individualistic levels, monitoring all forms of communication. Other than that most of us mortals can only guess at, and if certain individuals are letting you know certain facts they are breaching the Official Secrets Act. :D :D ;)

Finally TAM, I do not think the average intelligent being is surprised to know the authorities are "watching and listening" as that information has been allowed to flow out into the public domain already.  In a democracy that is how things should work :) :) :) :y
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Re: Woolwich terror attack
« Reply #66 on: 26 May 2013, 21:00:49 »

Lizzie do you wear a uniform, i love a woman in uniform  :-* :-* :) :)
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« Reply #67 on: 26 May 2013, 21:17:44 »

Lizzie do you wear a uniform, i love a woman in uniform  :-* :-* :) :)


no paul....but you may find i will be on monday next and trust me not the standard black one...
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« Reply #68 on: 26 May 2013, 21:31:06 »

i didnt mean you :-* so spill the beans what type of uniform , lollipop man, sas, or are we talking under cover :o :o
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« Reply #69 on: 26 May 2013, 21:37:51 »

Lizzie do you wear a uniform, i love a woman in uniform  :-* :-* :) :)

No thank goodness. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) 

I am a humble police advisor working for the community in specialist areas. ;) ;)


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« Reply #70 on: 26 May 2013, 21:43:01 »

Lizzie do you wear a uniform, i love a woman in uniform  :-* :-* :) :)

No thank goodness. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) 

I am a humble police advisor working for the community in specialist areas. ;) ;)

rrrrrrr you say that now, but its not what daz has said you little minx ;) ;) :-*
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« Reply #71 on: 26 May 2013, 21:51:46 »

Lizzie do you wear a uniform, i love a woman in uniform  :-* :-* :) :)

No thank goodness. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) 

I am a humble police advisor working for the community in specialist areas. ;) ;)

rrrrrrr you say that now, but its not what daz has said you little minx ;) ;) :-*


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  He fantasises about everything!  I can only guess at what he has said!! :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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« Reply #72 on: 27 May 2013, 21:53:35 »

 ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Woolwich terror attack
« Reply #73 on: 28 May 2013, 08:25:22 »



I am a humble police advisor working for the community in specialist areas. ;) ;)

Big sister is watching.
Free speech? What absolute cock.
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« Reply #74 on: 28 May 2013, 09:07:20 »



I am a humble police advisor working for the community in specialist areas. ;) ;)

1.Big sister is watching.
2.Free speech? What absolute cock.

1. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
 
2.there is no free speech for slaves :-\
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