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« on: 29 July 2006, 16:55:35 »

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Damn you Ronnie McB look what you made me do!!

Spured on from McB's Project cars + my boredom of the holidays, I bought my very first project car:

Its a 1998 Vauxhall Omega Reflection 2.5 V6, Auto, 136k - Usual bits on this model, Air-con, ABS, TC, Carbon Firbe Dash bits.

I paid £350 notes for it, Service history up to 80k then maintained privatly (no docs) - Lots of old MOT's.

Cambelt Replaced @ 118k
Steering Idler Arm Replaced @ 132k

Its quite tatty all around though  :( - Rust spots around it, huge one under a GB sticker, needs a few inteior trim bits.

Hope I have done the right thing, and there is a profit in her. Was very nevous going down to get it thinking, i don't need this car, can i make any money is it gunna be crap ect... :'(

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My list of things to fix so far are:

Brake Pads - Very Warn - Think this is also causes slight wheel wobble under breaking

Coolant Flush - Its fine on a normal drive but reaches 100 in towns and the EM light comes on. Looks like a leaky hose pipe into the coolant tank. Also coolant looks orange!? - This may have affected the oil??

Battery is dead - Even after a 55 mile drive back its still dead, multimeter reader set on 9v was way into the red!

Sunroof is completley dead - Dead battery not helping?

Height adujustable seats just clunk, you can see it trying to rotate the screw thing but just moves few mm then clunks?

Oil Change - Its black, the filler cap has no "mayo" underneath, but some dried oil. The car has stood still for a few months outside (baked oil in the heat? I hope!) - As she drives like a dream, performance is very good.

2 Rear Tyres are barely legal - Need to be replaced -  Front ones plenty of tread left & even ware

Air-con dead - Condensor in good condition - hopefully just a re-charge.

Back plastic cover on the rear bumper for tow point missing (down to the scrappy )

1 Front Fog light is smashed (again scrappy for that)

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Good bits are she drives sweet as a nut, very very fast, good pickup. Smooth changes, revs right up to 6k... she flys!!

New mid section exhaust, rest in good condition - Just needs a touch of Hammerite silver on the back pipe.

Most of the body work is fair, alloys are in excellent condition.

Interior is good in the back, good in the front just needs a good clean.

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I'd like to know what your thoughts are? Good buy (£350) ? Dud car? - Is there a profit, are the things need doing not worth it on this age car?


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« Reply #2 on: 29 July 2006, 17:18:57 »

Mechanical jobs I'm sure you'll manage fine, but ohhh, that rust....Good luck
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« Reply #3 on: 29 July 2006, 17:19:11 »

just discovered it has main vx dealer stamped service book history up to 91k  :)
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« Reply #4 on: 29 July 2006, 19:27:59 »

Coolant orange - that'll be someone has used long life red antifreeze, no probs there...
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« Reply #5 on: 29 July 2006, 19:33:04 »

Asd you know, I have some front pads, oil, filters etc here if you need...
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Re: tunnie's Project A - My First Project Car
« Reply #6 on: 29 July 2006, 19:47:42 »

good luck fella, if the mechanicals are good you should make some £ as long as your diy ing the work.
Or you could break it  :o sorry!

are you planning to tackle the rust?

Hope you keep us well informed of progress! ;)
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« Reply #7 on: 29 July 2006, 19:49:22 »

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Asd you know, I have some front pads, oil, filters etc here if you need...


Thats my plan jamie!! might be worth you starting a loyality scheme  ;)

Do you think theres a profit in it? - AT with a postcode search around here showed same spec car and age 127k miles @ 2.2k!  :o

I hope to sell her for 1.4k - Think that should be possible.

What do you rekon about the dried oil? It was very very thick and hard - Dried due to the heatwave and no movement?

I may soon be placing an order for 10 Litres of Oil, 3 Oil filters & a set of pads  :)

Had a good nose all over the car today, its a lot tigher in the V6 bay (ohh err) but i could's see the oil filter

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« Reply #8 on: 29 July 2006, 19:52:49 »

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good luck fella, if the mechanicals are good you should make some £ as long as your diy ing the work.
Or you could break it  :o sorry!

are you planning to tackle the rust?

Hope you keep us well informed of progress! ;)


Doing all the work myself, AT shows similar age millage ones going for well over 1.5k not if they sell at that price.

Yup defo going to sort the rust make her much more saleable, going to a place called ColourMatch in Banbury. Give them the VIN plate colour code, and they mix you up the right colour paint for your car.
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« Reply #9 on: 29 July 2006, 19:57:22 »

Sounds like a nackered alternator not battery, look in the maintenace gudies area, theres a post which might proove useful.

As for the seat height adjuster, look under the rear of the seat and you should be able to see the worm drive, look where it passes through the rear of the seat, lube it well and pop the plastic cover off the back of it. Then get your self a 13mm socket on an extansion bar and insert it into the tube and rotate it to free it off.......lube well again and jobs a good un.

That should get you going anyway.
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« Reply #10 on: 29 July 2006, 20:04:27 »

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Sounds like a nackered alternator not battery, look in the maintenace gudies area, theres a post which might proove useful.

As for the seat height adjuster, look under the rear of the seat and you should be able to see the worm drive, look where it passes through the rear of the seat, lube it well and pop the plastic cover off the back of it. Then get your self a 13mm socket on an extansion bar and insert it into the tube and rotate it to free it off.......lube well again and jobs a good un.

That should get you going anyway.

Great. Cheers for that.

Think its just age both going, I can see the worm drive you mentioned, and the motor does move it a lil bit. - Creating a nice big document will all the info here to work on it tommorow.

Excellent maintance guide DTM fogot about that, since the battery did not get any decent charge on a 55 mile run i think your right.

Can I be twit and ask were is the alternator in the engine bay?

Thanks
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« Reply #11 on: 29 July 2006, 20:14:53 »

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Had a good nose all over the car today, its a lot tigher in the V6 bay (ohh err) but i could's see the oil filter

Jack up passenger side, oil filter is horizontal (unlike yours) mounted towards rear of block.
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« Reply #12 on: 29 July 2006, 20:18:09 »

Good luck Tunnie.....im sure you can make a profit out of it  :)

Keep us posted on how your progressing  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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« Reply #13 on: 29 July 2006, 20:18:41 »

Ah its at the back, not had a chance to jack it up yet. Prob why i did't find it.

Found the sump plug though!  :)

Going to buy a few things now i think:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0001K9TBK/026-1099856-4782805?v=glance&n=11052651&s=diytools&v=glance

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0001K9Z50/026-1099856-4782805?v=glance&n=11052651&s=diytools&v=glance
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Good luck Tunnie.....im sure you can make a profit out of it  :)

Keep us posted on how your progressing  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]


Thanks TD.

I will get loads of pics too during my work, and add them to our current maintaince guides & make new ones
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« Reply #15 on: 29 July 2006, 20:19:50 »

Basicaly a good car by the looks of it Tunnie!!!

All the best mate. Think RMcB's kind'a stumbled, (for want of a better word!), on a bit of a gold mine in fixing up Omegas. They're always going to be popular like the Carltons they replaced. Big car low bucks. The estates will be profitable for a long time I think.
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« Reply #16 on: 29 July 2006, 20:27:43 »

yeah i know, my other possible project which was a fall back after this one. Was a 1996 Estate CDX 2.5 Diesel, which would be very popular. Duff gearbox, so maybe if thats kicking around after project A   [smiley=happy.gif]
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« Reply #17 on: 29 July 2006, 21:43:00 »

Alternator is bottom left of the engine
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Re: tunnie's Project A - My First Project Car
« Reply #18 on: 29 July 2006, 21:54:19 »

thanks, just posted a thread asking that very thing, oops sorry can you delete it?

Guess best access is with it jacked up?
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« Reply #19 on: 29 July 2006, 22:35:33 »

Hi Tunnie

Just wanted to also say good luck with the project.  I very much hope you will be able to make a profit out of it.

My Omega is the same colour as your project (it is called champaign).  How are you going to go about sorting the rust?  I too have rust in the same place (although not as bad as yours) and it is on all doors apart from the drivers.  I had thought of a scrappy and simply fitting better ones.

Oil sounds like it has not been changed for a long time so you may want to flush with cheap £5 per gallon stuff first before putting the good stuff in.

Anyway, good luck and hope that the air con is just a re gas.
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« Reply #20 on: 29 July 2006, 23:15:15 »

Thanks very much x25xe, I will investigate the condensor futher soon, take off the front grill and check for leaks before investing in a halfords can of air.

As for the rust I plan to use a company local to me called "ColourMatch"

Basically you give them a code from the VIN plate, and they mix up a tin of paint thats exactly the same colour. Looking at the paint work, it does not seam to have faded so it should blend in well.

I have tackled the rust before on cars. some of my last attempts came out quite well.

Basically I will use a small chisel and take off all the loose material, and take off the loose parts and rub it down with a cloth to get rid of the dust. Then using a stanley knife or similar cut a few mm's into the paint work. This is to make sure no rust is left and will grow, and give a clean fresh edge for the new paint.

Usually comes out quite well, and I will start on the bottom of the back door first. (incase i bugger it up)
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« Reply #21 on: 29 July 2006, 23:33:07 »

Tunnie, thats looks ok. Don't bother with aircon, just touch in the rust and sell it on. Service, yes but that is all apart from brakes etc. Shoud realise £750 when done I would think.
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« Reply #22 on: 29 July 2006, 23:38:52 »

£750? seen '96 GLS ones go for £600 with same miles.

A nationwide search on AutoTrader on Reflection models, cheapist listed was £995 with a lot of private sales:

http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WWW/cars_search.asp?modelexact=1&lid=search_used_cars_full&make=VAUXHALL&model=OMEGA&variant=reflection&keywords=&min_pr=75&max_pr=&mileage=&agerange=&postcode=nn13+6er&miles=1500&max_records=50&source=0&photo=1&sort=3&ukcarsearch_full=SEARCH

I was hoping to get near a grand for it?  [smiley=undecided.gif]

What would you tell buyers when looking at the car asking why you sell, i suspose its just best to tell the truth and say you bought it, did it up and sell it on?
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« Reply #23 on: 30 July 2006, 00:08:52 »

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I was hoping to get near a grand for it?  [smiley=undecided.gif]
Think it depends on how fast you want to make your buck Tunnie!!!  ;)
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« Reply #24 on: 30 July 2006, 00:37:13 »

trouble with the rust at the tops of the windows, is that it works from the inside out ... although that's more of an issue for the buyer to look out for I guess!

My understanding of the engine changes is that they came in with the mini-facelift, as this one is before that then the filter should be the cartridge type, not the paper element variety.
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« Reply #25 on: 30 July 2006, 07:29:08 »

Tunnie

dont you love it when a project comes together  ;)

i am really intrested in how you tackle the rust, would love some pics of you on that particuar job, when the time comes around.

I have the same problem, although not as bad, does anyone NOT have this issue....

all the best,
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ps remember the autotrader price is often negotiated down at point of sale, so a "advertised for £1500 may go at £1350 etc... :-/
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« Reply #26 on: 30 July 2006, 09:18:20 »

yeah thats what i thought, i was thinking of putting it up at £1400 or £1300 and accepting near the grand mark.

There is no massive rush on a sale, but i would like to get it all done in about 4/5 weeks as it would leave me time for a second project  :)

I'll keep you updated on the rust, i am popping out to the scrappy today and might call by and get the paint. - I'll take some pictures as i go.

Its quite funny driving project a at the moment, until i get some axel stands and can access the alternatior, it needs to be jumped every time. I have one of those battery packs you carry around and jump it off that.

Think thats why its overheating in towns, dead battery = no cooling fan!  :o

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« Reply #27 on: 30 July 2006, 16:48:19 »

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Its quite funny driving project a at the moment, until i get some axel stands and can access the alternatior, it needs to be jumped every time. I have one of those battery packs you carry around and jump it off that.

Think thats why its overheating in towns, dead battery = no cooling fan!  :o


Now i might be missing something here.....but if the battery is dead....then the alternator must be kicking out some juice otherwise the Omega wouldnt run.....no power to drive any of the electrical systems.
So it sounds like to me the cooling fan would be working (unless knackered as well) and it needs a good flushing out. To check fan/temp sensor is ok let it idle with bonnet open....if the temp goes over 95 and the fan hasnt kicked in then theres summat wrong. If fan does kick in then as said before it prolly needs a good flush.
Before taking the alternator off, put your voltmeter across the batt with the engine running....shud be roughly 12-13v, give it some revs and the voltage shud go upto about 14v. If this happens then it just sounds like dead battery. If the voltages are much lower than 12v when idling and much higher than 14v when revving suspect the alternator/regulator as well.

HTH

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« Reply #28 on: 30 July 2006, 17:38:57 »

Well, I sold a 1999 S-reg Reflection about 2 months ago for £830, taxed, Mot's and all serviced. So make your own mind up then. I have been selling cars for 25 years and know the market fairly well. Don't kid yourself it is worth more than it is, because it isn't. It is rusty as hell and will take a lot of work to make £750 mate. Knowck it out, get the next one and avoid the rust buckets! Mechanical problems are always preferable, unless you are a wizard at fixing smashed up ones.
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« Reply #29 on: 30 July 2006, 19:05:57 »

Your prob right McB - Just trying to get as much for it as possible. I bow to your superior Omega sales experiance.

Just gave project A a damn good clean today, and it comes up very well. Apart from the rust bubbles the body work has no dents. The alloys are mint as well hardly any kurbing, also gave the interior a good clean, again comes up very well.

Got a few things from the scrapyard today to tidy it up, back cover plate for the tow point, interior trim bits that where missing and a fog light all for £10!  :)

Things left to do:

ColourMatch the rust bubbles
Brake Pads
Coolant Flush
Oil Change

Symptons of the battery problems are, its completey dead! i bareley get a 2 volts on the multimeter with engine off, once its jumped and running everything works, sunroof now works, and all the electrics work inside the car when its running. But run it for 5 miles or 50 miles it still won't charge the battery.
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« Reply #30 on: 30 July 2006, 21:43:17 »

Tunnie,

It sounds to me like the battery is shot TBH.  Earlier on you mention about the cooling fan not cutting in.  Is  this working now??

Like others on here, I am extremly interested in how you tackle the rust and any pictures you can provide of "work in progress" would be great.

I have to say that I agree with Ronnie on the possible sale price.  I have a 1998 2.5 CDX with leather and the electric pack (meaning memory seats, heated rear seat and auto dipping rear mirror).  I paid, too much at just under £1500.  This was a one owner car with full history.  A few months later went to sell (on e-bay admittidly) and the highest bid was £740.  Off of e-bay the higest bidder then offered £800 as my reserve of £1000 was not met.  Whilst I was not out to make a profit, there was no way I was going to take a £700 loss so kept it.

Not trying to put you off at all but that was how I found things.

As said earlier, I wish you all the best with it.  Keep us updated with progress!
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« Reply #31 on: 30 July 2006, 22:35:35 »

i am kinda hoping its the alternator now as it will be free to fix!  :)

Going to do what TaxiDriver suggested and do a few multimeter tests with the engine running. I only have a basic multireader, and tbh have no idea which mode to set it on!

I had it on 9v (which is designed to test those square 9v batterys) and it barely read 2 volts, not tested it with the engine running yet.
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« Reply #32 on: 31 July 2006, 06:35:02 »

As x25xe says does sound like the battery,  but worth checking the alternator as well.

Your meter needs to be set on dc, and then something around 20v or even 30v....if your still not sure if you post a pic of your meter then we should be able to advise where to set the switches on it.

HTH

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« Reply #33 on: 31 July 2006, 09:13:35 »

This is my multimeter, for DC settings ranges from 0.5 to 500. I am guessing set it either on 10 or 50 in theDCV bracket?

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« Reply #34 on: 31 July 2006, 09:15:04 »

50v DC...
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« Reply #35 on: 31 July 2006, 09:25:39 »

Thanks Jamie, I will run some tests, engine off, idle, rev & see what readings i get
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« Reply #36 on: 31 July 2006, 10:23:25 »

If in doubt with a meter always start on the highest range and work down till you get a reading. :)
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« Reply #37 on: 31 July 2006, 10:47:04 »

why dont you take the battery out of your non project car or better yet swop them
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« Reply #38 on: 31 July 2006, 11:47:06 »

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why dont you take the battery out of your non project car or better yet swop them


It would start if i swap the battery as the one in my facelift is fully charged, but it would not tell me if its the alternator thats faulty.

At the moment i used a RoadStart unit, plug on the clips to positive and negative and it starts first time, it would do the same with a working battery, but i need to find out wether the alternator is charging the battery propperly
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« Reply #39 on: 31 July 2006, 11:52:44 »

rev to about 2.5k, should get around 14v off it...
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« Reply #40 on: 31 July 2006, 12:18:56 »

cheers, i'll get my mum to rev it.... me being dim again, if its set to 50, the middle set of numbers on DCV.A will be the reading? Cause there are 3 differnt ranges 0-10, 0-50, 0-250

I still plan to get my mum driving project A by the end of the day, she is still scared of driving autos!

She is a fully quailified barrister and can do maths quadratic equasions as long as my arm.... but show her a car with an auto box and she runs away!  [smiley=lolk.gif]
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« Reply #41 on: 31 July 2006, 13:07:35 »

Quadratic equations are easy, partial integration, now thats a different story!

You can rev it yourself with the bonnet open, just press the throttle valve arm where the accelerator cable attaches to it (front left of the bit with ecotec written on it!)
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« Reply #42 on: 31 July 2006, 13:12:03 »

its got a throttel cable, you can rev from under bonnet!

If its on 50v setting, it will be 0 - 50 scale.

A decent meter should be added to your tool list - a reasonable digital meter will cost £5 (we don't really need Fluke type accuracy and calibration for this type of stuff)
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« Reply #43 on: 31 July 2006, 13:12:39 »

damn, mark_dtm beat me to it again.  Must type faster..
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« Reply #44 on: 31 July 2006, 18:15:30 »

oh yeh, duhh fogot about the cable throttle control...

Got my mum to drive Project A today, she loved it!! Told her it was easy.... she usually drives a 1.6 Almera Ambition.

So the 2.5 V6 Omega felt a bit "differnt" in her words, when she wasn't looking I pressed the S button  ;D
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« Reply #45 on: 31 July 2006, 18:56:43 »

Sounds like you're trying to get her to buy it from you....
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« Reply #46 on: 31 July 2006, 19:04:42 »

hehe, unfortunely it won't fit in her side of the garage. We fitted a work bench against the wall at the back and there is no way a megger would fit in.

Annoying part is her V Reg Nissan Almera has only 36k miles on the clock, and being a nissan the engine will go on forever!

Besides the air-con is broke and mid is poor being pre-mini facelift. - She does really like the smoothness & power.


If we do get her one it will be a mini-facelift elite esate...
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