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« on: 21 March 2018, 08:19:08 »

Anyone know the best place to buy these now? The price seems to have shot up in the last 12 months.
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Re: Bilstein B4
« Reply #1 on: 21 March 2018, 08:23:29 »

Wouldn't bother...

Buy Sachs OE for sensible money... especially for the saloon, unless you budget for the estate top mounts to fit the Bilsteins properly. Sachs come with fittings that match the originals. :y
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Re: Bilstein B4
« Reply #2 on: 21 March 2018, 08:27:07 »

I put this site in my favourites a year or so ago, but haven't contacted them yet to see if they still sell at these prices.
Might be worth a phone call though.
http://www.europerformance.co.uk/pages/products/product_info.mhtml?product=262866;car=vauxhallomega
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Re: Bilstein B4
« Reply #3 on: 21 March 2018, 08:37:56 »

Wouldn't bother...

Buy Sachs OE for sensible money... especially for the saloon, unless you budget for the estate top mounts to fit the Bilsteins properly. Sachs come with fittings that match the originals. :y

Never had a problem with the fittings that come with B4 to be honest so unless quality has slipped in the last two years? As it happens I have the full genuine GM fittings brand new (bought from someone who had to buy more parts than required due to the GM minimum order farce). 
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Re: Bilstein B4
« Reply #4 on: 21 March 2018, 08:40:54 »

I put this site in my favourites a year or so ago, but haven't contacted them yet to see if they still sell at these prices.
Might be worth a phone call though.
http://www.europerformance.co.uk/pages/products/product_info.mhtml?product=262866;car=vauxhallomega

Cheers I'll take a look
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Re: Bilstein B4
« Reply #5 on: 21 March 2018, 08:47:03 »

The Bilsteins for the saloons have a shorter threaded section than the Sachs/factory ones so the correct mountings don't fit as they are 1/2" longer... net result the retaining nut cannot be fitted, let alone tightened.

The supplied fittings are quite frankly crap compared to the genuine ones, although, possibly not £45 worth. Last set I fitted was probably four years ago, but I was unimpressed enough to only fit genuine self levellers to my Plod and Sachs to the rest... :-\
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Re: Bilstein B4
« Reply #6 on: 21 March 2018, 09:01:45 »

I recently put a set of B4s on and within a year got an MOT advisory for misting.  >:(
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Re: Bilstein B4
« Reply #7 on: 21 March 2018, 19:43:12 »

I recently put a set of B4s on and within a year got an MOT advisory for misting.  >:(
Was it misting, or the MOTer just feeling he hadn't done enough advisos that month
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Re: Bilstein B4
« Reply #8 on: 21 March 2018, 20:26:44 »

I put this site in my favourites a year or so ago, but haven't contacted them yet to see if they still sell at these prices.
Might be worth a phone call though.
http://www.europerformance.co.uk/pages/products/product_info.mhtml?product=262866;car=vauxhallomega

Good shout and great price, are Elite front springs different?  :-\

See that’s shock only, I’ve got some very tired Elite front shocks on 3.2.

Given my more “keen” driving style these days could, could be tempted by B4 all around, but would probably go Sachs/Boge.
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Re: Bilstein B4
« Reply #9 on: 21 March 2018, 20:31:49 »

Given my more “keen” driving style these days could, could be tempted by B4 all around, but would probably go Sachs/Boge.
Define your definition of "keen" Mr Tunnie.


In any case, B4 is really a OE replacement, not a sports shock.
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Re: Bilstein B4
« Reply #10 on: 21 March 2018, 20:41:59 »

Given my more “keen” driving style these days could, could be tempted by B4 all around, but would probably go Sachs/Boge.
Define your definition of "keen" Mr Tunnie.


In any case, B4 is really a OE replacement, not a sports shock.

Less body roll than now, often find zero cars on lane 4 of a particular roundabout. Meaning big queue skip possible, taken to launching out of said lane 4 which is fine, but I get a bit too much roll in the roundabout.
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Re: Bilstein B4
« Reply #11 on: 21 March 2018, 20:47:07 »

Given my more “keen” driving style these days could, could be tempted by B4 all around, but would probably go Sachs/Boge.
Define your definition of "keen" Mr Tunnie.


In any case, B4 is really a OE replacement, not a sports shock.

Less body roll than now, often find zero cars on lane 4 of a particular roundabout. Meaning big queue skip possible, taken to launching out of said lane 4 which is fine, but I get a bit too much roll in the roundabout.


Controlling roll is much more the spring's job than the shock.
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« Reply #12 on: 21 March 2018, 23:16:52 »

Given my more “keen” driving style these days could, could be tempted by B4 all around, but would probably go Sachs/Boge.
Define your definition of "keen" Mr Tunnie.


In any case, B4 is really a OE replacement, not a sports shock.

Less body roll than now, often find zero cars on lane 4 of a particular roundabout. Meaning big queue skip possible, taken to launching out of said lane 4 which is fine, but I get a bit too much roll in the roundabout.


Controlling roll is much more the spring's job than the shock.

Are Elite front springs softer than standard?
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Re: Bilstein B4
« Reply #13 on: 21 March 2018, 23:40:30 »


Are Elite front springs softer than standard?

Bloody hope not! My cdx handled like a canal boat as it was. Can’t imagine what it’d be like softer handling than that.  ;D
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Re: Bilstein B4
« Reply #14 on: 22 March 2018, 00:31:47 »

I recently put a set of B4s on and within a year got an MOT advisory for misting.  >:(
Was it misting, or the MOTer just feeling he hadn't done enough advisos that month
Yeah, really must stick my head up under the wheel arch and check that, but you know how it is with being a CBA sufferer and all... ::)
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Re: Bilstein B4
« Reply #15 on: 22 March 2018, 06:17:07 »


Less body roll than now, often find zero cars on lane 4 of a particular roundabout. Meaning big queue skip possible, taken to launching out of said lane 4 which is fine, but I get a bit too much roll in the roundabout.


Controlling roll is much more the spring's job than the shock.

Are Elite front springs softer than standard?


they are a wear item, just like the rest of the suspension. But it's a gradual deterioration that's hard to notice.  Mine were barely holding the front of the car up(it came up 30mm when I fitted new ones), let alone absorb bumps.
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Re: Bilstein B4
« Reply #16 on: 27 March 2018, 22:35:03 »

Just to finish the thread....

I got the full set from Demon Tweaks via their eBay shop, cheapest I could find with the option to deliver to my local Argos for collection  :y
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« Reply #17 on: 28 March 2018, 10:22:31 »

Just to finish the thread....

I got the full set from Demon Tweaks via their eBay shop, cheapest I could find with the option to deliver to my local Argos for collection  :y
And, if I may be so presumptuous to ask, how much?

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Re: Bilstein B4
« Reply #18 on: 28 March 2018, 12:15:13 »

Would you replace the front springs as well or reuse?
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Re: Bilstein B4
« Reply #19 on: 28 March 2018, 12:42:59 »

Would you replace the front springs as well or reuse?
I plan on replacing all springs.
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« Reply #20 on: 28 March 2018, 13:37:10 »

Would you replace the front springs as well or reuse?
I plan on replacing all springs.

Rears on mine are fine (just stand Boge), I'd find replacing all a bit excessive. Tempted if rear shocks need replacing I'd replace all 4, so it's a bit more balanced. But wondering what springs to put on the front.

@VXL V6, what springs do you use with your B4 fronts?
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« Reply #21 on: 28 March 2018, 13:40:49 »

Eibach on one car and one of the very last sets of MV6 LSC from GM on the other  :y
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« Reply #22 on: 28 March 2018, 13:42:13 »

Just to finish the thread....

I got the full set from Demon Tweaks via their eBay shop, cheapest I could find with the option to deliver to my local Argos for collection  :y
And, if I may be so presumptuous to ask, how much?

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Will check when I'm back tonight  :y
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« Reply #23 on: 28 March 2018, 13:46:18 »

Eibach on one car and one of the very last sets of MV6 LSC from GM on the other  :y

Not sure I'd want to lower mine, won't find any MV6 ones now.

Guess Boge again for me  :-\
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« Reply #24 on: 28 March 2018, 13:54:38 »

Just to finish the thread....

I got the full set from Demon Tweaks via their eBay shop, cheapest I could find with the option to deliver to my local Argos for collection  :y
And, if I may be so presumptuous to ask, how much?

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Looks like £144 for fronts, £138 for the rears.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-x-Bilstein-B4-Front-Suspension-Gas-Shock-Absorbers-Dampers-22-044808-/301828188432?hash=item46465ca910
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« Reply #25 on: 28 March 2018, 14:02:59 »

Would you replace the front springs as well or reuse?
I plan on replacing all springs.

Rears on mine are fine (just stand Boge), I'd find replacing all a bit excessive. Tempted if rear shocks need replacing I'd replace all 4, so it's a bit more balanced. But wondering what springs to put on the front.

@VXL V6, what springs do you use with your B4 fronts?
The cost is in the geometry checks afterwards, especially if you touch the fronts.  That's why I'm planning on doing all together.  There is something wrong with TBE, handling wise, and one side does intermittently look low.

It going to need £250 worth of front tyres soon as well, so gonna be an expensive hit...   ...but its still a cheap car to run really.
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« Reply #26 on: 28 March 2018, 18:19:46 »

Just to finish the thread....

I got the full set from Demon Tweaks via their eBay shop, cheapest I could find with the option to deliver to my local Argos for collection  :y
And, if I may be so presumptuous to ask, how much?

Need to look at renewing suspension on TBE, and undecided whether to go OE type manufacturers such as Boge/Sach, or B4s.  I had good life from the previous B4s that were on the Bullet, and now on TBE, but more recent threads have suggested the quality isn't what it was.
Will check when I'm back tonight  :y

Right....

Rears £59.28 for the pair - Item number:311506178035
Fronts £97.99 for the pair - Item number:311382749395

HOWEVER... The seller has updated the listings since I purchased and the Fronts are now £144 a pair  ::)

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« Reply #27 on: 28 March 2018, 19:09:31 »

Thanks VXL - ordered :y

I supposed I should go out to garage to check that thing I promised you this morning, before guilt creeps it ;D
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« Reply #28 on: 28 March 2018, 19:10:35 »

Just to finish the thread....

I got the full set from Demon Tweaks via their eBay shop, cheapest I could find with the option to deliver to my local Argos for collection  :y
And, if I may be so presumptuous to ask, how much?

Need to look at renewing suspension on TBE, and undecided whether to go OE type manufacturers such as Boge/Sach, or B4s.  I had good life from the previous B4s that were on the Bullet, and now on TBE, but more recent threads have suggested the quality isn't what it was.
Will check when I'm back tonight  :y

Right....

Rears £59.28 for the pair - Item number:311506178035
Fronts £97.99 for the pair - Item number:311382749395

HOWEVER... The seller has updated the listings since I purchased and the Fronts are now £144 a pair  ::)

Bet he listed them per shock accidentally, that is cheap for a pair of B4s!
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« Reply #29 on: 28 March 2018, 19:13:50 »

The ones in the link in my earlier post were £112.90 per pair, but I don't know if they actually still stock them at that price.
I may enquire soon, as I'm thinking of changing mine.
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« Reply #30 on: 28 March 2018, 19:29:10 »

The ones in the link in my earlier post were £112.90 per pair, but I don't know if they actually still stock them at that price.
I may enquire soon, as I'm thinking of changing mine.

Due to wear or not liking B4?
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« Reply #31 on: 28 March 2018, 22:28:26 »

Mine has plod springs and dampers on the front. I think the dampers are past their best. The plod springs are great though. They take away a lot of the body roll without making anything harsh.
A new pair of B4,s would make it just about perfect I think.
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« Reply #32 on: 28 March 2018, 22:41:53 »

I’d like the sound of that, trouble is plod springs would be hard to get hold of now.  :(
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« Reply #33 on: 28 March 2018, 22:51:44 »

Mine has plod springs and dampers on the front. I think the dampers are past their best. The plod springs are great though. They take away a lot of the body roll without making anything harsh.
A new pair of B4,s would make it just about perfect I think.
Fit Sachs with those :y
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« Reply #34 on: 28 March 2018, 23:28:08 »

Which ones, and why ?  :-\............and where from ?  ;D

Forgot to mention - also have Monaro top mounts and polybushed and refurbed wishbones, so frontend is great other than dampers being a bit soft.
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Re: Bilstein B4
« Reply #36 on: 13 April 2018, 18:48:10 »

VXL V6 - how quickly did yours arrived from DT?  I ordered mine 2 or 3 weeks ago, but nothing yet.  I've sent them a message asking for an estimation of when I will get them.


Not that there is a desperate hurry, as I can see getting CP4L to accept they have only sent me 3 springs is going to be a long, drawn out ordeal.
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« Reply #37 on: 14 April 2018, 07:24:13 »

About four to five days if I remember correctly.
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