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One for the pilots,
« on: 22 March 2018, 10:11:56 »

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Re: One for the pilots,
« Reply #1 on: 22 March 2018, 10:20:51 »

Seems to be the way things are going these days, theres no such thing as Accidents anymore there Incidents now and therefore everyone is responsible for there Actions
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Re: One for the pilots,
« Reply #2 on: 22 March 2018, 10:36:02 »

Well, none of us have all the facts nor the experience required to condemn the man or otherwise. However, I've read the various reports that the AAIB have published and I'm not surprised the CPS have decided to press charges. I don't actually feel this is a "blame culture" thing. If you get behind the wheel / stick / etc. you have the potential to cause great harm to others and, should the worst happen, you should expect to be held legally accountable for your actions, IMHO.
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Re: One for the pilots,
« Reply #3 on: 22 March 2018, 10:56:30 »

Well, none of us have all the facts nor the experience required to condemn the man or otherwise. However, I've read the various reports that the AAIB have published and I'm not surprised the CPS have decided to press charges. I don't actually feel this is a "blame culture" thing. If you get behind the wheel / stick / etc. you have the potential to cause great harm to others and, should the worst happen, you should expect to be held legally accountable for your actions, IMHO.

Yep,Put simply he F$cked up and now has to face the consequences :-\
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Re: One for the pilots,
« Reply #4 on: 22 March 2018, 11:22:12 »

Well, none of us have all the facts nor the experience required to condemn the man or otherwise. However, I've read the various reports that the AAIB have published and I'm not surprised the CPS have decided to press charges. I don't actually feel this is a "blame culture" thing. If you get behind the wheel / stick / etc. you have the potential to cause great harm to others and, should the worst happen, you should expect to be held legally accountable for your actions, IMHO.

Yep,Put simply he F$cked up and now has to face the consequences :-\
I wouldn't be so quick to condemn him, but there are quite a few questions raised by the circumstances of the accident, and the place for them to be answered is in court.
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« Reply #5 on: 22 March 2018, 12:00:45 »

Aeronauts will sympathise with him, families of victims will want him crucified. Most others are probably somewhere in the middle.
If nothing else, we will get his version of events and, no doubt, a raft of new guidelines.
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Re: One for the pilots,
« Reply #6 on: 22 March 2018, 12:36:20 »

Seems to be the way things are going these days, theres no such thing as Accidents anymore there Incidents now and therefore everyone is responsible for there Actions

I remember as a young teenager in a school holiday job breaking something and claiming it was "an accident", the boss was ok but told me very calmly and firmly that there are no such things as "accidents", that there is always a cause. It's stuck with me ever since.

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Re: One for the pilots,
« Reply #7 on: 22 March 2018, 13:19:31 »

Seems to be the way things are going these days, theres no such thing as Accidents anymore there Incidents now and therefore everyone is responsible for there Actions

I remember as a young teenager in a school holiday job breaking something and claiming it was "an accident", the boss was ok but told me very calmly and firmly that there are no such things as "accidents", that there is always a cause. It's stuck with me ever since.

The police used to call crashes RTA's,now thats been changed to RTC's,where there's blame ............. :-\
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Re: One for the pilots,
« Reply #8 on: 22 March 2018, 18:22:09 »

 :o THREE years after the crash ?
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Re: One for the pilots,
« Reply #9 on: 22 March 2018, 19:13:50 »

:o THREE years after the crash ?
The initial investigation by the CAA  took nigh on a year iirc... Criminal/negligence case could only be bought afterwards... Had it been caused by an unforeseeable mechanical failure there would have been no case to answer...
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Re: One for the pilots,
« Reply #10 on: 22 March 2018, 23:27:17 »

.. and this is absolutely typical of AAIB investigations, especially where loss of life has occurred. Glider accidents take a similar amount of time for AAIB report publication unless it's a very minor incident or the report has safety implications for those still flying where at least an interim report will emerge faster.

AAIB reports don't apportion blame and I think I'm right in saying that their evidence is not admissible in court either, so the Police / CPS will have had to make their own case in parallel, or once they were aware that the AAIB report was not going to mention any serious mechanical failure or other mitigating factors.
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Re: One for the pilots,
« Reply #11 on: 23 March 2018, 06:50:34 »

I suppose this is the problems now days unless it's mecanical failure, then it's classed as human error, so somebody's to blame.
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Re: One for the pilots,
« Reply #12 on: 23 March 2018, 12:50:53 »

I suppose this is the problems now days unless it's mecanical failure, then it's classed as human error, so somebody's to blame.

And even then maybe "Who was responsible for the failure ?", was something not properly checked and maintained etc ?
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Re: One for the pilots,
« Reply #13 on: 23 March 2018, 13:32:47 »

I suppose this is the problems now days unless it's mecanical failure, then it's classed as human error, so somebody's to blame.

And even then maybe "Who was responsible for the failure ?", was something not properly checked and maintained etc ?
And if a manufacturing or service fault occurred, was the person doing the job given a proper breakfast before work?  ;D
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Re: One for the pilots,
« Reply #14 on: 23 March 2018, 14:02:07 »

Quite right too. He was flying a fast jet, not riding a donkey!
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