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Re: Syria Chemical weapons retaliation
« Reply #45 on: 15 April 2018, 16:15:34 »

I think after the chemical weapons proliferation to Salisbury & Assad's continued use of chemical bombs that the West would have to show their disapproval.

Where Trump is a well run Putin asset with a back-channel link from a Trump Tower server linked to the Kremlin controlled Alpha bank, I'm sure it was all agreed beforehand, which is why Syria had allegedly evacuated all personnel from the targets well before they were attacked.

The end result is that the West have shown they will do an ineffective something. Corbyn was played & has played the fool again. Putin was able to show his belligerence and bolster his importance to his economically suffering domestic audience & along with Assad was able to claim that their joint military might 'shot' them all down at the cost of all the 'weak' buildings at the targets collapsing as a result of the 'mid-air interceptions'. ;D ;D ;D So all sides are happy with this 'dishonourable' draw. The West/Trump have shown he will do something that the weak Obama/Dems wouldn't & will keep reminding voters of this as we approach the November 2018 mid-term elections & has also reminded the world what has been known since WWI that airborne bombs will always get through, Putin is happy as he was able to strut his importance on the world stage again, Assad had a few buildings destroyed & will continue with his vile chemical attacks & other crimes against humanity as the worst that could happen to him is a few more life sentences at The Hague & life goes on for everybody else. ??? ??? ???

The technical term for the whole charade is called grandstanding.
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Re: Syria Chemical weapons retaliation
« Reply #46 on: 15 April 2018, 16:37:03 »

Here endeth the lesson for the day.  ::)
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Re: Syria Chemical weapons retaliation
« Reply #47 on: 15 April 2018, 17:57:15 »

Trump is imposing even more sanctions on his boss in the Kremlin tomorrow.  ::)
Theres a server in Trump tower which passes orders to Trump from his masters in Russia, and the powers that be in the U.S don't know about it ?
Ive heard fish fart and seen the bubbles.  ;D
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« Reply #48 on: 15 April 2018, 18:13:10 »

Trump is imposing even more sanctions on his boss in the Kremlin tomorrow.  ::)
Theres a server in Trump tower which passes orders to Trump from his masters in Russia, and the powers that be in the U.S don't know about it ?
Ive heard fish fart and seen the bubbles.  ;D
These are whoppers......whale farts if you will.  ;D
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Re: Syria Chemical weapons retaliation
« Reply #49 on: 15 April 2018, 22:35:47 »

Trump is imposing even more sanctions on his boss in the Kremlin tomorrow.  ::)
Theres a server in Trump tower which passes orders to Trump from his masters in Russia, and the powers that be in the U.S don't know about it ?
Ive heard fish fart and seen the bubbles.  ;D

Of course it is known about and has been since 2017. There is nothing inherently illegal is having direct links between servers and many companies do, not only to different company locations but also to third parties for data analysis and off site backups etc. What is illegal is if you use it for illegal activities. The talk and allegations are that this has been used for passing illegal hacked state voter lists to Russia to have the data 'preserved' by the FSB/GRU and washed for use by Cambridge Analytica for directly targeting voters. If true, this will form part of any collusion prosecution. It is still used according to traffic analysis and maybe being used as a Trump / Putin back channel which the NSA or more likely other 5 eyes countries may have SIGINT from.

Hillary Clinton has also had her illegal server and email scandal while Secretary of State and may also end up prosecuted over this and it cost her the election. When the US electorate only had the choice of two crooks for president in the November 2016 election it shows the danger of the GOP/Dem monopoly over US democracy.
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Re: Syria Chemical weapons retaliation
« Reply #50 on: 15 April 2018, 23:53:21 »

4 Tornado bombers launched storm shadow missiles  :y
I seem to remember reading the other year, that the MOD were phasing out the Tornado jets
I just wonder how many GR4 aircraft are currently serviceable  :-\

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Re: Syria Chemical weapons retaliation
« Reply #51 on: 16 April 2018, 00:48:19 »

At least four, clearly...
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Re: Syria Chemical weapons retaliation
« Reply #52 on: 16 April 2018, 09:26:27 »

4 Tornado bombers launched storm shadow missiles  :y
I seem to remember reading the other year, that the MOD were phasing out the Tornado jets
I just wonder how many GR4 aircraft are currently serviceable  :-\


Not many I can assure you  :(
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Re: Syria Chemical weapons retaliation
« Reply #53 on: 16 April 2018, 09:34:51 »

At least four, clearly...

Probably accurate!
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Re: Syria Chemical weapons retaliation
« Reply #54 on: 16 April 2018, 09:40:13 »

Saw an interesting survey of UK folk. Question asked was should Uk have got involved with this action over chemical weapons?

Result was very roughly a third yes, a third no and a third don't know. On expat forums there is mostly vitriol for Mays actions - she is after all the person guiding the UK out of the EU. Mind you the same forums spout theories that the CIA and Boris Johnson were behind the Salisbury poisonings and the Russians are the injured party!
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Re: Syria Chemical weapons retaliation
« Reply #55 on: 16 April 2018, 09:58:00 »

4 Tornado bombers launched storm shadow missiles  :y
I seem to remember reading the other year, that the MOD were phasing out the Tornado jets
I just wonder how many GR4 aircraft are currently serviceable  :-\

There are 20 or 21 Tornados still at RAF Marham (depends if ZA449 is still in service or not), and 8 out in Cyprus. All of these are 'airworthy' although on any particular day some are bound to be broken. Tornado out of service date is believed to be the end of May 2019.  The first few (rumour is 8 ) RAF F-35's are supposed to arrive at Marham in late May 2018 (which probably means mid June!).  These may be (but probably won't be) operational by the time Tornado is binned, but won't be Storm Shadow capable for the foreseeable future, if ever.

Typhoon is currently in trials for Storm Shadow, and last I heard these should be cleared to service later this year. Suspect a Typhoon will only normally carry 1 though due to the fact it has to be mounted on a wing pylon which is usually used for a fuel drop tank. Carrying 2 would means internal fuel only, thus restricting useful range.
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Re: Syria Chemical weapons retaliation
« Reply #56 on: 16 April 2018, 22:28:04 »

4 Tornado bombers launched storm shadow missiles  :y
I seem to remember reading the other year, that the MOD were phasing out the Tornado jets
I just wonder how many GR4 aircraft are currently serviceable  :-\

There are 20 or 21 Tornados still at RAF Marham (depends if ZA449 is still in service or not), and 8 out in Cyprus. All of these are 'airworthy' although on any particular day some are bound to be broken. Tornado out of service date is believed to be the end of May 2019.  The first few (rumour is 8 ) RAF F-35's are supposed to arrive at Marham in late May 2018 (which probably means mid June!).  These may be (but probably won't be) operational by the time Tornado is binned, but won't be Storm Shadow capable for the foreseeable future, if ever.

Typhoon is currently in trials for Storm Shadow, and last I heard these should be cleared to service later this year. Suspect a Typhoon will only normally carry 1 though due to the fact it has to be mounted on a wing pylon which is usually used for a fuel drop tank. Carrying 2 would means internal fuel only, thus restricting useful range.

Cheers for that  :y  for the time being, lets hope the numbers don`t twindle any lower.
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Re: Syria Chemical weapons retaliation
« Reply #57 on: 16 April 2018, 22:47:05 »

4 Tornado bombers launched storm shadow missiles  :y
I seem to remember reading the other year, that the MOD were phasing out the Tornado jets
I just wonder how many GR4 aircraft are currently serviceable  :-\

There are 20 or 21 Tornados still at RAF Marham (depends if ZA449 is still in service or not), and 8 out in Cyprus. All of these are 'airworthy' although on any particular day some are bound to be broken. Tornado out of service date is believed to be the end of May 2019.  The first few (rumour is 8 ) RAF F-35's are supposed to arrive at Marham in late May 2018 (which probably means mid June!).  These may be (but probably won't be) operational by the time Tornado is binned, but won't be Storm Shadow capable for the foreseeable future, if ever.

Typhoon is currently in trials for Storm Shadow, and last I heard these should be cleared to service later this year. Suspect a Typhoon will only normally carry 1 though due to the fact it has to be mounted on a wing pylon which is usually used for a fuel drop tank. Carrying 2 would means internal fuel only, thus restricting useful range.






Wrong, Typhoon carries a 1000ltr tank on the centre line pylon  :)
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Re: Syria Chemical weapons retaliation
« Reply #58 on: 17 April 2018, 10:29:45 »

Wrong, Typhoon carries a 1000ltr tank on the centre line pylon  :)

True, but centre line tank is only 264 gallons/1200kg. Wing tanks can be double that size at 528 gallons/2400 kg. Internal fuel is 1500 gallons / 6800 kg.

The extra drag from carrying external fuel means it's usually only 'worth' about half what internal fuel is, so adding 264ga to an internal 1500ga only adds about 10% to the range. 

Early mock-ups showed two Storm Shadows being carried on the heavy inboard pylon, leaving the middle 'wet' pylon for a drop tank. However, all the photos of test flights show the missile fitted to the middle (wet) pylon, so presumably there is some issue with fitting it inboard. 

Tornado can carry 4 Storm Shadows, but in practice it never does because it needs the extra pylon space for fuel in drop tanks.
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Re: Syria Chemical weapons retaliation
« Reply #59 on: 17 April 2018, 13:10:58 »

Trump is imposing even more sanctions on his boss in the Kremlin tomorrow::)
Theres a server in Trump tower which passes orders to Trump from his masters in Russia, and the powers that be in the U.S don't know about it ?
Ive heard fish fart and seen the bubbles.  ;D

His boss has obviously had a quiet word on why he installed in the WH as Trump has deferred the new sanctions. >:(
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