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Is This Really The End Of My Omega?
« on: 16 April 2018, 08:48:31 »

Hi All,

l'm a newbie and have written a bit about my Omega history in the Newbie Welcome Area section.

l have a 2.6 V6 24v Auto Elite 2003 which had some recent work done including both engine heads removed and skimmed and new cambelt kit. l was told that the water pump was okay, so it was not replaced. Problems are still developing with the car and it's too complex a situation to take it back.

When l turn over the engine a knocking noise comes from the top of it. Also water is leaking from the water pump. The AA say it is most likely the camshaft that is causing the problem and in effect the car is a write off. Another person has said similar. Can this work be done and at what cost? Is it worth it? The car has lots of new parts and new Michelin Sports tyres all round. The other biting question is, if l really have to get rid of this car, are there any other trusted Omegas out there at all for sale? Even an Estate?

Any help and advice will be most welcome. Thank you.

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Re: Is This Really The End Of My Omega?
« Reply #1 on: 16 April 2018, 09:15:21 »

I think the best option is to return the car to the place that did the work. You seem to hint this may not be possible? Although the fact they didn't advise you to change a 40 water pump when you are all that way down is not a good sign.

If you know the car and like it, it's worth spending the time and money to bring back up to scratch. Even a replacement engine isn't that much, assuming you can get it fitted cheap enough or can do it yourself. In fact there is a 50 engine here. This is a cheap price, these engines are normally a lot more.

If you replace the car with another Omega, you could have the same issues and be back to square one.
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Re: Is This Really The End Of My Omega?
« Reply #2 on: 16 April 2018, 09:22:25 »

If you have a receipt but don't trust the garage, phone trading standards  :y
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Re: Is This Really The End Of My Omega?
« Reply #3 on: 16 April 2018, 09:43:20 »

let's not worry about the water pump for now, the immediate issue is the camshaft knock

candidates for me could be slipped cambelt or failure to rebuild the head properly. 

in the hands of someone who knows what they are up to this is all fixable

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Re: Is This Really The End Of My Omega?
« Reply #4 on: 16 April 2018, 09:54:18 »

Could just be a tired hydraulic lifter.

How long has it run since the heads have been off? Because it can take a good 20 minutes' driving to quieten down the lifters.
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Re: Is This Really The End Of My Omega?
« Reply #5 on: 16 April 2018, 09:59:45 »

What was the fault that made the work necessary?
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Re: Is This Really The End Of My Omega?
« Reply #6 on: 16 April 2018, 10:04:51 »

Fitting a known good engine would be the simplest solution. Probably the cheapest too :-\
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Re: Is This Really The End Of My Omega?
« Reply #7 on: 16 April 2018, 11:24:20 »


Does the engine start and run ok, albiet noisily ?  If so, changing the water pump is quite a cheap, quick and easy job. Tip a bottle of Wynns lifter treatment in the engine and see if it quietens down after running for a while.
Would be interested to know why someone removed and skimmed the heads. Hopefully they haven't skimmed so much metal off, that pistons are making contact with valves, causing the knocking noise.  :-\
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Re: Is This Really The End Of My Omega?
« Reply #8 on: 16 April 2018, 12:16:04 »

What was the fault that made the work necessary?

This ^^

When read that V6 has had heads off for potential head gasket work wonder what other bodgery has gone on.  :'(

I'd bet a fair bit that the heads did not need to come off!
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Re: Is This Really The End Of My Omega?
« Reply #9 on: 16 April 2018, 13:32:46 »

What was the fault that made the work necessary?

This ^^

When read that V6 has had heads off for potential head gasket work wonder what other bodgery has gone on.  :'(

I'd bet a fair bit that the heads did not need to come off!
Yep, and that they didn't need skimming once they were off either!
Not to mention that the manufacturer recommends not skimming heads.
.. but the motor trader still living in the 1970's always knows best!

.. anyway, that's water under the bridge. A certain Admin on this site will confirm how terminally unhealthy a rattling lifter can sound like on a V6.  ::) No gravel required. :P
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Re: Is This Really The End Of My Omega?
« Reply #10 on: 16 April 2018, 13:55:56 »

As far as " Is This Really The End Of My Omega?"
you need to consider a few things
has the car got any other issues ? e.g rust that will need resolving to pass MOT
if there is a bad infestation of tinworm or other expensive jobs (other than the engine) it may be the end.
If the rest of the car is in good shape ,no structural rust then it is probably worth he time/cost to resolve the engine issue.

finding another car (let alone a good 15 year + omega ) without issues (people sell cars for a reason) is not easy
"better the devil you know" , unless that devil is rotten as a pear and falling apart ,needs major repair

Finding someone local that knows omega engines that could look for you would be good
the advice you get on this site will be very helpful too  :y
(because on this site people have owned omegas and gone through it all. unlike the AA man who plugs a scanner in for the answer ,or a garage that may never have done much on an omega engine wise (other than change the oil )

Jm2pw  :P
 
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Re: Is This Really The End Of My Omega?
« Reply #11 on: 16 April 2018, 19:14:34 »

Omega Geezer - there are a few questions posed in replies above that probably need answering before going much further.

No engine fault on the car is terminal if you want to keep the car. Worse case scenario is chuck another engine in, and enough get scrapped for engines to be readily available.
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Re: Is This Really The End Of My Omega?
« Reply #12 on: 16 April 2018, 19:27:36 »

If the rest of the car is good and the engine is knackered, I'd look at getting a second hand engine, ebay is full of them at quite cheap prices.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-2002-2-6-v6-PETROL-ENGINE-VERY-LOW-MILEAGE-71K-FULL-HISTORY/332603891209?hash=item4d70bc9e09:g:hkEAAOSwH2VaSrY8
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Re: Is This Really The End Of My Omega?
« Reply #13 on: 16 April 2018, 19:41:52 »

I've brought off Nigel before , nice chap 125  and 80k
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-2-6V6-COMPLETE-ENGINE-SUPERB-RUNNER-ONE-WEEK-SALE-LOOK/332552551355?hash=item4d6dad3bbb:g:hlsAAOSwWxNYoaao

bit early to rush out and buy a block though ,till diagnosed  :y
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Re: Is This Really The End Of My Omega?
« Reply #14 on: 16 April 2018, 20:18:01 »

If going down the replacement lump route, throw a 3.0 or 3.2 in it :y

Rude not to while you are there...
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« Reply #15 on: 16 April 2018, 21:28:07 »

If the car can be driven that far (under 200 miles), take it to SOSautomotive.
If all else fails Serek will give you an excellent repair and/or engine swap at a more than fair price; well worth the journey.
Let's hope it doesn't come to that and the fault is simple and cheap to cure.

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« Reply #16 on: 16 April 2018, 22:02:32 »

If going down the replacement lump route, throw a 3.0 or 3.2 in it :y

Rude not to while you are there...

.. and change the auto box for an AR35 too. ;)
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Re: Is This Really The End Of My Omega?
« Reply #17 on: 16 April 2018, 22:17:56 »

Reading your other posts, the heads were removed because the oil cooler failed, and presumably still is... No mention of it being replaced during the work.

Fundametally your engine has had a lot of unnecessary work without either diagnosing or fixing the actual issue...

Incidentally, fixing the oil cooler is around 200 in parts/coolant, and circa a days work once fully flushed.

Someone owes you an explanation, apology, a refund and probably a replacement engine.
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« Reply #18 on: 16 April 2018, 22:59:39 »

If going down the replacement lump route, throw a 3.0 or 3.2 in it :y

Rude not to while you are there...



Best do the slushbox too
I wouldn't fancy running a 3 or 3.2 with a AR25 fitted  ;)
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Re: Is This Really The End Of My Omega?
« Reply #19 on: 16 April 2018, 23:10:17 »

Cant begin to imagine why anyone would remove the heads because of oil cooler failure.  ??? :-\ :o
If they did, they shouldn't be allowed to check tyre pressures, never mind let loose with spanners.
If it does need a new engine, Serek at SOS may well have a ready supply. I remember him having a few good 3.2 engines off me when I was breaking Omegas.
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« Reply #20 on: 17 April 2018, 07:50:15 »

It is only the end of your Omega when you can no longer afford, or can, keep it going.

Realistically us on the OOF have, I suspect, mostly spent far more on our beloved miggies than the "book value" - I know I have - but our love knows no bounds and if we want to keep it going we just keep spending and working on them.

All the many replies on this thread prove Omega Geezer, there is always an effective solution to keep your Omega going if you want to! :D :D :y
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« Reply #21 on: 19 April 2018, 11:25:46 »

Wow, you are all brilliant on here! All help and advice has been noted...and Lizzie Zoom what you say is exactly right. l am in the process of investigation of my Omega. l'll be replying and updating soon. Cheers!  :) ;) :y
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« Reply #22 on: 20 April 2018, 08:43:31 »

As everyone is saying,if you can get your car up to SOS Automotive, S
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