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[Varche]

I've just thrashed the bollix off mine on an empty(ish) M1. Razzed through the speed camera gantries at over 90, past all the people who think they're on when they're off, if you get my meaning. An autonomous car wouldn't have let me, miserable bastard things 

Quite right you anti social loaf. I bet you had Alvin Stardust on really loud as you tucked into a Ginsters.

Being serious for a minute, once self drive cars are all equipped with monitoring equipment repeat vicious acceleration or braking, hard cornering and certainly all speed limit exceeding will automatically be reported with credits taken from your bank account. The legacy jalopies will be in big demand but only in the grasp of the rich. The post millenials wont miss what they have never known and in any case by then will be able to experience any thrill by VR from the comfort of their own home. Mankind is heading for dulldom.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

In 50 years time, people who talk about actually driving, being in control of their own car will be seen by young people as mentally deficient, and recklessly suicidal.
Glad I wont be here to see it tbh. Our generation may have lived during the optimum period to be alive, but don't realise it ?
I realise I sound very negative today, but Ive been suffering with a root canal abscess since Monday and its driving me fickin mad. 

[Varche]

Ye have my sympathy.

Worse when you lay down.

You are spot on about living during the optimum period.

[2boxerdogs]

We were talking at work the other day about how things have changed over the years & some of the younger officers found it hard to believe that when I started school in 1958 I wrote with chalk on a slate, as for vehicles well the future is looking bleak to someone like me but glad to have lived  & enjoyed some vehicles that are definitely considered "bad" to the environment.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

In 50 years time, people who talk about actually driving, being in control of their own car will be seen by young people as mentally deficient, and recklessly suicidal.
Glad I wont be here to see it tbh. Our generation may have lived during the optimum period to be alive, but don't realise it ?
I realise I sound very negative today, but Ive been suffering with a root canal abscess since Monday and its driving me fickin mad. 

Surely you own a pair of pliers.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

We were talking at work the other day about how things have changed over the years & some of the younger officers found it hard to believe that when I started school in 1958 I wrote with chalk on a slate, as for vehicles well the future is looking bleak to someone like me but glad to have lived  & enjoyed some vehicles that are definitely considered "bad" to the environment.

As a kid of the sixties I would actively breathe in the 5 star leaded fumes from an E-Type or similar if I was lucky enough to come across one.

Perhaps that is why I'm slightly retarded.

[Bigron]

Castrol "R" in a motorbike engine!

Ron.

[STEMO]

We were talking at work the other day about how things have changed over the years & some of the younger officers found it hard to believe that when I started school in 1958 I wrote with chalk on a slate, as for vehicles well the future is looking bleak to someone like me but glad to have lived  & enjoyed some vehicles that are definitely considered "bad" to the environment.

As a kid of the sixties I would actively breathe in the 5 star leaded fumes from an E-Type or similar if I was lucky enough to come across one.

Perhaps that is why I'm slightly retarded.

You'll get no arguments from me. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

It (or something like it) will happen ,but I think it will take longer than ten years. 25 would be more like it imo. As long as Im already dead they can crack on with it.
The free world we once knew is long gone, and unlikely to come back. The youth of today have been educated in such a way that they neither understand the concept, or see any problem with the direction of travel.

Those who live in the middle of Arkansas or Kentucky might last a bit longer than the rest of us, but the state will probably put something in the water to make them compliant. 

They will mate with their sisters and mothers as they have done for generations.

Does anyone have a banjo?

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

We were talking at work the other day about how things have changed over the years & some of the younger officers found it hard to believe that when I started school in 1958 I wrote with chalk on a slate, as for vehicles well the future is looking bleak to someone like me but glad to have lived  & enjoyed some vehicles that are definitely considered "bad" to the environment.

As a kid of the sixties I would actively breathe in the 5 star leaded fumes from an E-Type or similar if I was lucky enough to come across one.

Perhaps that is why I'm slightly retarded.

You'll get no arguments from me. 

Nobody said there was a problem with full fat leaded petrol back then..........and smoking forty a day was considered one of your 'five a day'

[Lizzie Zoom]

We will revisit this when you need to walk with two sticks, are unable to stand for long periods and can no longer drive

What has my possible personal situation to do with self drive and only hybrid and electric cars being "the only ones allowed" in 10 years time as per the original suggestion of this thread?

Once more you make things so personal, when all I was doing was commenting about the average working class person, or OAP, who has all their faculties, being forced to get rid of their perfectly good, non-advanced tech, cars, that are still being produced as we speak for vehicles they can not afford to own in just 10 years.  Yes, 10 years, which I was stressing was ridiculous.

Let me expand my explanation so the reality can be grasped.

The suggestion is that ALL car manufacturers will only produce hybrid or electric cars in 10 years time (2040 has actually been the previous, I think realistic, statement by the government), and everyone MUST afford to swap to those vehicles regardless of personal financial circumstances (are electric vehicles currently subsidised to any great extent to reduce the very high retail price?).

Can any government afford to financially assist the millions in the lower income bracket to buy the new form of personalised transport?   

Can the government in just 10 years time be able to bring legislation and road traffic laws in to make it all happen, whilst maintaining "motoring revenues" that currently apply to "traditional" vehicle motorists and not ending up with a political crisis / revolution of the people?

Can any government give jobs to those engaged in the oil industry, and replace the taxation from that sector,that will disappear with such a change in just 10 years time?  Can any government NOW guarantee that in just 10 years time there will be the level of electric generation to power the dramatic increase in cars reliant on that form of energy, or provide the millions of charging points that will be needed away from residential areas, or to people in blocks of flats that are often in the low income bracket outside of the centres of our big cities and towns?

............and so on, with no doubt other considerations that must be dealt with by any government, of any political colour, within 10 years time 

Now I am quoting the 10 years mentioned in the article, but even 15 years would still represent a serious challenge for our politicians and us the people.

BUT, and this is where one person has done what he is accusing me of, assume that I am completely against the new forms of transport envisaged............I am NOT!!  In 25 to  35 years time the motor car in it's traditional, internal combustion engine form, WILL be relegated to museums and classic car rallies.  That can only be an excellent thing for the World and it's people, and with the right political attitude will still give the populous the freedoms of personal transport, with indeed an end to "car park" type driving that we see everyday on our motorways that is actually robbing us of precious time, money  and damaging our health. But time to plan and execute the transition must be given, and the "10 years" quoted is totally unrealistic.

Now you hopefully will fully understand my point of view

[Doctor Gollum]

I was using personal experience to highlight a potential positive to the autonomous electric car as a viable transport medium for those who are currently bound by public transport.

This could actually be funded by a combination of the current motability scheme and public transport subsidies and would open up a whole world of mobile freedoms to a vast number of people.

Somehow you turned this into a history lecture. And when I clarified my point so that it may be better understood, you then responded with a political lecture on the implementation of electric cars.

What government and the people want to achieve and actually accomplish are often two different things, but I will say this...

The Tesla Model 3, as an example, is available for $35k US. That's the price of a posh Focus. Which, whilst no measure of a decent car, can reasonably be taken as a viable new family car purchase.

Industry will adapt, as it always does, and life will go on, as it always does.

On a side note, you oft accuse me of being arrogant to the point of stupidity. Rest assured that I am far from stupid. Socially awkward probably, but stupid? Far from it.

Whilst you oft present yourself as an expert on several subjects, not least history, politics, law, retail and driving; I don't doubt that you have some commercial experience on specific subjects.

I would politely suggest that in other areas you are but an informed hobbyist blinded by indoctrinated piety.

Now perhaps you understand my point of view.

[Lizzie Zoom]

I was using personal experience to highlight a potential positive to the autonomous electric car as a viable transport medium for those who are currently bound by public transport.

This could actually be funded by a combination of the current motability scheme and public transport subsidies and would open up a whole world of mobile freedoms to a vast number of people.

Somehow you turned this into a history lecture. And when I clarified my point so that it may be better understood, you then responded with a political lecture on the implementation of electric cars.

What government and the people want to achieve and actually accomplish are often two different things, but I will say this...

The Tesla Model 3, as an example, is available for $35k US. That's the price of a posh Focus. Which, whilst no measure of a decent car, can reasonably be taken as a viable new family car purchase.

Industry will adapt, as it always does, and life will go on, as it always does.

On a side note, you oft accuse me of being arrogant to the point of stupidity. Rest assured that I am far from stupid. Socially awkward probably, but stupid? Far from it.

Whilst you oft present yourself as an expert on several subjects, not least history, politics, law, retail and driving; I don't doubt that you have some commercial experience on specific subjects.

I would politely suggest that in other areas you are but an informed hobbyist blinded by indoctrinated piety.

Now perhaps you understand my point of view.

Great, we understand our different points of view

Don't worry, I know very well you are far from stupid and I do not recall even remotely suggesting that.  We may not agree on some things but I for one will not throw that charge at you. I Just feel that WE are BOTH unnecessarily personal in our comments and I for one will hold back from that if you do and agree to disagree as applicable.  But actually we do often agree on the result / objective but have our own ways of expressing it!

[aaronjb]

I've just thrashed the bollix off mine on an empty(ish) M1. Razzed through the speed camera gantries at over 90, past all the people who think they're on when they're off, if you get my meaning. An autonomous car wouldn't have let me, miserable bastard things 

Came up the M1 on Saturday night and one gantry switched to 50mph; one of the gantries with the "new" style cameras on the left hand side of the gantry. Flash. Flash Flash. Flash Flash Flash it went.

Later on, once we were clear of the roadworks, an ambulance blew past me like I was stood still (and I was doing *cough* 70, officer) past a similar set of cameras but with no limits shown. No flash.

So .. I imagine you'll be perfectly safe and not up in front of the beak.

For that, anyway.

[STEMO]

I've just thrashed the bollix off mine on an empty(ish) M1. Razzed through the speed camera gantries at over 90, past all the people who think they're on when they're off, if you get my meaning. An autonomous car wouldn't have let me, miserable bastard things 

Came up the M1 on Saturday night and one gantry switched to 50mph; one of the gantries with the "new" style cameras on the left hand side of the gantry. Flash. Flash Flash. Flash Flash Flash it went.

Later on, once we were clear of the roadworks, an ambulance blew past me like I was stood still (and I was doing *cough* 70, officer) past a similar set of cameras but with no limits shown. No flash.

So .. I imagine you'll be perfectly safe and not up in front of the beak.

For that, anyway.

Yes, I know. I'm up and down the M1 every week. Me, and lots of others, blat along at about 85 through the gantries. No doubt, one day, they'll catch the lot of us, but until then........