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[Varche]

But that's how obsessed these people can be. Its like religious fervour that cant be reasoned with.


I think that illustrates the point as hardened leavers could similarly be so described.



My question to such folk would be what would cause them to stop and take stock? e.g. for a remainer if the UK net contributions to the EU went up by 100%, 500% or if all decisions were made by Brussels (democratically or otherwise )


Boris made a good point today about the leaders debate. It isn't going to be much of a debate with two remainers at the table.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

But that's how obsessed these people can be. Its like religious fervour that cant be reasoned with.


I think that illustrates the point as hardened leavers could similarly be so described.



My question to such folk would be what would cause them to stop and take stock? e.g. for a remainer if the UK net contributions to the EU went up by 100%, 500% or if all decisions were made by Brussels (democratically or otherwise )


Boris made a good point today about the leaders debate. It isn't going to be much of a debate with two remainers at the table.

Up to a point maybe, but if the result had been the other way round, Im sure that I and most of the rest of the 48% wouldn't have spent the last two years trying to find ways,(and trying to convince everyone else of them) to ignore the result, overturn it, or come up with some scheme which means we effectively leave, but fools people into believing we are actually staying in. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I don't think a full fat no deal will be 'allowed'

This leaves remaining in the UK with our tails between our legs or a BRINO brexit.

Great choice.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I don't think a full fat no deal will be 'allowed'

This leaves remaining in the UK with our tails between our legs or a BRINO brexit.

Great choice.

Now you come to mention it I have found myself looking at Australian property sites of late. 

I'm not sure I could cope with all that sunshine though....                 

[Kevin Wood]

I don't think a full fat no deal will be 'allowed'

This leaves remaining in the UK with our tails between our legs or a BRINO brexit.

Great choice.

Now you come to mention it I have found myself looking at Australian property sites of late. 

I'm not sure I could cope with all that sunshine though....                 

I couldn't cope with SWMBO hitting the ceiling every time she sees a spider.

[Doctor Gollum]

She would soon get used to them... 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I don't think a full fat no deal will be 'allowed'

This leaves remaining in the UK with our tails between our legs or a BRINO brexit.

Great choice.

Now you come to mention it I have found myself looking at Australian property sites of late. 

I'm not sure I could cope with all that sunshine though....                 

I couldn't cope with SWMBO hitting the ceiling every time she sees a spider.

........the size of a pony.

[ronnyd]

Rochdale... Is that anywhere near Rotherham 

No. 

[Doctor Gollum]

Rochdale... Is that anywhere near Rotherham 

No. 

Just a thought...

[TheBoy]

Three possible outcomes now.
1. The Tories grasp the nettle, get rid of May and replace her with a Brexiteer who goes back to Brussels and at least attempts to kick some arse.
2. She carries on regardless, loses the vote in the commons, and while they all argue about it, the clock runs out and we leave without a deal - initially at least.
3. The establishment finally win and overturn the referendum result,(while denying they have done it)  thus killing any pretence of democracy in the UK, permanently.

We shall see. 

1) Nobody is going to get a significantly better deal. Ever. Those who think that would be possible overstate our European/Global significance.
2) Not gonna happen.  No viable government would do that with the UK in its current state. The UK is on the edge of a monumental recession, the likes none of us have seen.  Take a look at the High Street if you don't believe that is the case, and John Lewis/Waitrose all looking set to fold next year...   ...and the Internet is not the cause.
3) A worrying possibility that I think undermines everything

[Doctor Gollum]

JLWaitrose isn't Brexit related... They have much bigger internal issues. 

[TheBoy]

JLWaitrose isn't Brexit related... They have much bigger internal issues. 

Never said it was .  I said the country was on the verge of a massive recession, and JL Partnership was likely to be a victim of it next year.  Most retailers would say we already are in recession...

[Varche]

This monumental recession . Is that just the UK or does it include any European countries?

Plenty of empty shops here in Spain. New businesses pop up regularly, often the same as the one that went under. Funded by the very favourable redundancy payments here. Then they too go under .

My observation of the dead high streets in the UK is they need to reinvent themselves. Empty Shops should be converted into cheap accomodation to allow youngsters onto the housing ladder. Others into entertainment or drop in centres. The Internet is here to stay as is Internet shopping.

[Varche]

This monumental recession . Is that just the UK or does it include any European countries?

Plenty of empty shops here in Spain. New businesses pop up regularly, often the same as the one that went under. Funded by the very favourable redundancy payments here. Then they too go under .

My observation of the dead high streets in the UK is they need to reinvent themselves. Empty Shops should be converted into cheap accomodation to allow youngsters onto the housing ladder. Others into entertainment or drop in centres. The Internet is here to stay as is Internet shopping.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Imo the internet coupled with criminally high business rates, is the cause.