Topic: Vectra B 2.2 wont start (Read 4134 times)

Jimbob · « **on:** 14 July 2009, 17:01:16 »

Help

Father in law's vectra wont start

engine turns over, but just wont catch

smell of petrol from repeated tries

battery fine

no fault codes

any ideas?

Ghost · « **Reply #1 on:** 14 July 2009, 17:15:01 »

Chip in key or a prob with the Immobiliser?

Jimbob · « **Reply #2 on:** 14 July 2009, 17:23:34 »

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Chip in key or a prob with the Immobiliser?

no immobiliser is happy.

Head scratcher this one

TheBoy · « **Reply #3 on:** 14 July 2009, 18:30:44 »

If you are getting petrol, next obvious check is spark

Jimbob · « **Reply #4 on:** 14 July 2009, 18:34:01 »

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If you are getting petrol, next obvious check is spark

wouldnt know how to check on this bugger

Ghost · « **Reply #5 on:** 14 July 2009, 19:34:12 »

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If you are getting petrol, next obvious check is spark

wouldnt know how to check on this bugger

easy way take a plug out or use a good Known one put your lead on hold electrode to engine with plieres get someone to turn the key and look for the spark. DO NOT touch plug when engine is turning or running as it will bloody hurt belive me I've done it.
( note to self you Bloody idiot Lol )

Jimbob · « **Reply #6 on:** 14 July 2009, 19:52:33 »

cheers CPP unit on this, no leads, so a little more awkward, but will have a play when the rain goes

Jimbob · « **Reply #7 on:** 14 July 2009, 21:31:04 »

We have fuel pressure

we have spark

swapped relays where possible

still no joy

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #8 on:** 14 July 2009, 21:44:19 »

How fast is it turning over?

Is the throttle valve working?

LJay · « **Reply #9 on:** 14 July 2009, 21:46:05 »

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How fast is it turning over?

Is the throttle valve working?

turns over normally, just wont catch, dont know on the throttle (dbw)

JamesV6CDX · « **Reply #10 on:** 14 July 2009, 21:49:22 »

Cambelt intact?

JamesV6CDX · « **Reply #11 on:** 14 July 2009, 21:50:12 »

Well simplistically, it needs

Air
Fuel,
Spark,
Compression

You have air, you have fuel, and you have spark - compression test it

Jimbob · « **Reply #12 on:** 14 July 2009, 21:50:43 »

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Cambelt intact?

Chain driven, no chainny noise :-/

Jimbob · « **Reply #13 on:** 14 July 2009, 21:51:15 »

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Well simplistically, it needs

Air
Fuel,
Spark,
Compression

You have air, you have fuel, and you have spark - compression test it

like I know how

Entwood · « **Reply #14 on:** 14 July 2009, 21:51:28 »

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Well simplistically, it needs

Air
Fuel,
Spark,
Compression

You have air, you have fuel, and you have spark - compression test it

ahh .. but all must occur at the correct time .. does this have the equivalent of our crank sensor

...

Just a thought ..

JamesV6CDX · « **Reply #15 on:** 14 July 2009, 21:52:00 »

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Well simplistically, it needs

Air
Fuel,
Spark,
Compression

You have air, you have fuel, and you have spark - compression test it

ahh .. but all must occur at the correct time .. does this have the equivalent of our crank sensor ...

Just a thought ..

Crossed my mind but didn't post it, due to the lack of a fault code. But, you're right....

Jimbob · « **Reply #16 on:** 14 July 2009, 21:54:11 »

Crank sensor was my initial thought, but no codes.

I have heard elsewhere cranksensors can be faulty with no code :-/

TheBoy · « **Reply #17 on:** 14 July 2009, 21:56:20 »

should have no rpm signal as not running. no rpm signal is non conclusive on non runner.

Jimbob · « **Reply #18 on:** 14 July 2009, 21:56:35 »

Got me thinking on the chain.....

it is this engine that had the chain lubrication issue....when questioned then engine number wasnt in the effected range :-/

JamesV6CDX · « **Reply #19 on:** 14 July 2009, 21:59:27 »

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should have no rpm signal as not running. no rpm signal is non conclusive on non runner.

Agreed, but what about incorrect RPM signal?

Jimbob · « **Reply #20 on:** 14 July 2009, 22:05:56 »

Just checked TIS....the engine number is in the affected range

Jimbob · « **Reply #21 on:** 14 July 2009, 22:08:31 »

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should have no rpm signal as not running. no rpm signal is non conclusive on non runner.

didnt have ANY code :-/

JamesV6CDX · « **Reply #22 on:** 14 July 2009, 22:12:01 »

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Just checked TIS....the engine number is in the affected range

Affected by what?

(Sorry, not read whole thread)

If it needs engine work, give me a shout, we could make a (boozy) weekend of it

Jimbob · « **Reply #23 on:** 14 July 2009, 22:18:16 »

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Just checked TIS....the engine number is in the affected range

Affected by what?

(Sorry, not read whole thread)

If it needs engine work, give me a shout, we could make a (boozy) weekend of it

Cheers, there was a faulty lubrication nozzle on a range of chain 2.2's causing chain snappage.

father in law says pullys moving, so doesnt think its chain.

JamesV6CDX · « **Reply #24 on:** 14 July 2009, 22:21:40 »

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Just checked TIS....the engine number is in the affected range

Affected by what?

(Sorry, not read whole thread)

If it needs engine work, give me a shout, we could make a (boozy) weekend of it

Cheers, there was a faulty lubrication nozzle on a range of chain 2.2's causing chain snappage.

father in law says pullys moving, so doesnt think its chain.

Did you say Chain?

I really hope it's more simple - but do compression test it....

TheBoy · « **Reply #25 on:** 14 July 2009, 22:24:29 »

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Just checked TIS....the engine number is in the affected range

Affected by what?

(Sorry, not read whole thread)

If it needs engine work, give me a shout, we could make a (boozy) weekend of it

Cheers, there was a faulty lubrication nozzle on a range of chain 2.2's causing chain snappage.

father in law says pullys moving, so doesnt think its chain.

Did you say Chain?

I really hope it's more simple - but do compression test it....

yup, 2.2 vectras are chain driven

Jimbob · « **Reply #26 on:** 14 July 2009, 22:32:09 »

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Just checked TIS....the engine number is in the affected range

Affected by what?

(Sorry, not read whole thread)

If it needs engine work, give me a shout, we could make a (boozy) weekend of it

Cheers, there was a faulty lubrication nozzle on a range of chain 2.2's causing chain snappage.

father in law says pullys moving, so doesnt think its chain.

Did you say Chain?

I really hope it's more simple - but do compression test it....
yup, 2.2 vectras are chain driven

I hope this one still is!!!!!

if no working crank sensor, would you get spark?

JamesV6CDX · « **Reply #27 on:** 14 July 2009, 22:35:48 »

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Just checked TIS....the engine number is in the affected range

Affected by what?

(Sorry, not read whole thread)

If it needs engine work, give me a shout, we could make a (boozy) weekend of it

Cheers, there was a faulty lubrication nozzle on a range of chain 2.2's causing chain snappage.

father in law says pullys moving, so doesnt think its chain.

Did you say Chain?

I really hope it's more simple - but do compression test it....
yup, 2.2 vectras are chain driven

I hope this one still is!!!!!

if no working crank sensor, would you get spark?

Wouldn't think so - at least, not at the right times?

Jimbob · « **Reply #28 on:** 14 July 2009, 22:38:28 »

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Just checked TIS....the engine number is in the affected range

Affected by what?

(Sorry, not read whole thread)

If it needs engine work, give me a shout, we could make a (boozy) weekend of it

Cheers, there was a faulty lubrication nozzle on a range of chain 2.2's causing chain snappage.

father in law says pullys moving, so doesnt think its chain.

Did you say Chain?

I really hope it's more simple - but do compression test it....
yup, 2.2 vectras are chain driven

I hope this one still is!!!!!

if no working crank sensor, would you get spark?

Wouldn't think so - at least, not at the right times?

aye...but there is deffo a spark :-/

Ian_D · « **Reply #29 on:** 15 July 2009, 00:43:43 »

I would think you would know by the starter motors tone when its cranking over if the chain has snapped?

Can you remove the oil filler cap and look for the camshaft turning?

Jimbob · « **Reply #30 on:** 15 July 2009, 07:21:29 »

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I would think you would know by the starter motors tone when its cranking over if the chain has snapped?

Can you remove the oil filler cap and look for the camshaft turning?

Yup, reckon we can....when the keys return that is

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #31 on:** 15 July 2009, 08:35:06 »

They are known to suffer crank sensor issues

Jimbob · « **Reply #32 on:** 15 July 2009, 08:40:53 »

at £23 on TC will ring round and see if we can get one.

Everyones 1st thought has been Crank sensor, just no code to prove it.

Jimbob · « **Reply #33 on:** 15 July 2009, 10:09:15 »

Tried all we can think of, and have towed it round to a local tech2 equipped place for a quick look.

Jimbob · « **Reply #34 on:** 15 July 2009, 10:13:44 »

Had the phonecall.....they think its the chain

waiting for confirmation.

the really annoying thing was when it was bought, vauxhall were rung and asked if it was in the effected range, they said it wasnt.

No more was thought of it till now, and Ive checked myself with TIS

Jimbob · « **Reply #35 on:** 15 July 2009, 12:35:51 »

Well apparently its not the traditional bad nozzle issue.

A plastic tensioner has broken, causing the chain to jump.

Price was 'debated' and £900 agreed on.

Vauxhall wanted £1800ish, Luton knocked £200 off, but still too dear.

TheBoy · « **Reply #36 on:** 15 July 2009, 20:49:29 »

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Well apparently its not the traditional bad nozzle issue.

A plastic tensioner has broken, causing the chain to jump.

Price was 'debated' and £900 agreed on.

Vauxhall wanted £1800ish, Luton knocked £200 off, but still too dear.

shitty plastic tensioners that vauxhall use is another reason i like cambelts!

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #37 on:** 15 July 2009, 20:50:58 »

Lol, they all use plastic tensioners these days!

Jimbob · « **Reply #38 on:** 15 July 2009, 20:51:13 »

Yup, know where you are with a kit changed every 40k

He is not in the best of moods today thats for sure.

TheBoy · « **Reply #39 on:** 15 July 2009, 20:52:46 »

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Lol, they all use plastic tensioners these days!

aye, and a plastic that tends to go overly brittle with age.

hence give me a cambelt

Jimbob · « **Reply #40 on:** 15 July 2009, 20:54:50 »

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Lol, they all use plastic tensioners these days!
aye, and a plastic that tends to go overly brittle with age.

hence give me a cambelt

Best ask Carol at Newent

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