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Re: Luxembourg PM
« Reply #30 on: 17 September 2019, 19:54:17 »

We are stuffed

Three years on and the remainers are polarised to stay in their beloved EU

The leavers are fervent still in their desire to get out

There are those vacillating between the two camps.

Haven't seen anything from either side to heal the rift.
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« Reply #31 on: 17 September 2019, 20:16:06 »

Not using negative words like 'rift' or 'divide' or 'camp' or 'entrenched' would be a start.

It will happen, so we may as well work on moving forward with a single mind and 'can-do' attitude...

After all, that's what drove our grandparents to defend our green and pleasant land... Otherwise, why did they bother?

This same 'can-do' attitude is what built the colonies and keeps them strong still.

If the Remoaners genuinely want to live in the fetid pond in the corner of the EU that we are fast becoming, they are certainly going the right way about it  :-X
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Re: Luxembourg PM
« Reply #32 on: 17 September 2019, 20:25:00 »

I think the Eu are trying to bend us over,  I wish I knew how to put a poll up on here to see the results.   Anyone.....................
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« Reply #33 on: 17 September 2019, 21:06:16 »

Anyone else think compulsory voting should be made law ?  would it not give a true reflection of the peoples wishes ? 17.4 million leave votes out of an electorate of 46.5 million leaves a lot to be desired ( ducks and runs for the hills )  ;)
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Re: Luxembourg PM
« Reply #34 on: 17 September 2019, 21:13:01 »

Not using negative words like 'rift' or 'divide' or 'camp' or 'entrenched' would be a start.

It will happen, so we may as well work on moving forward with a single mind and 'can-do' attitude...

After all, that's what drove our grandparents to defend our green and pleasant land... Otherwise, why did they bother?

This same 'can-do' attitude is what built the colonies and keeps them strong still.

If the Remoaners genuinely want to live in the fetid pond in the corner of the EU that we are fast becoming, they are certainly going the right way about it  :-X

That's all very well, but you have 48% of people who voted not in any way represented in what came after. Hence why we are now most likely heading for a result that only a minority would want (wind the clock back 3yrs and pretty much no mainstream politician was even acknowledging no deal as a possibility).

In this century, and for some time before that, that kind of "this is what's happening get over it" mentality doesn't wash. May's unwillingness to engage with the broader parliament, or even acknowledge the 'losing side' has ensured a good decade or two of rift.
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Re: Luxembourg PM
« Reply #35 on: 17 September 2019, 21:25:23 »

Equally that 48% could. Have voted leave.
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Re: Luxembourg PM
« Reply #36 on: 17 September 2019, 21:43:40 »

Equally that 48% could. Have voted leave.

Eh?

I don't understand your point? Just because you are not in the majority of a vote doesn't mean that you change your views. In this day and age, if you want people to get on board you have to respect their viewpoint. Since the result, both PMs have behaved like it was a landslide result and ignored the minority.

Telling 'remoamers' to 'get over it' is no more likely to get them to change their views than telling trump voters they're bigoted imbeciles.  :y
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Re: Luxembourg PM
« Reply #37 on: 17 September 2019, 21:57:38 »

By your own admission 48% didn’t know what they were voting for, so how do you know the 52% knew what they were voting For?  Probably be much more of a majority if they knew they were going to get shafted!
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Re: Luxembourg PM
« Reply #38 on: 17 September 2019, 22:45:14 »

Equally that 48% could. Have voted leave.

Eh?

I don't understand your point? Just because you are not in the majority of a vote doesn't mean that you change your views. In this day and age, if you want people to get on board you have to respect their viewpoint. Since the result, both PMs have behaved like it was a landslide result and ignored the minority.

Telling 'remoamers' to 'get over it' is no more likely to get them to change their views than telling trump voters they're bigoted imbeciles.  :y

That just illustrates my point. Nothing has changed. The EU have hardened their approach with leaders parachuted in who are toeing the establishments line.
The UK politicians cant agree on a way forward.
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« Reply #39 on: 17 September 2019, 22:52:07 »

Not using negative words like 'rift' or 'divide' or 'camp' or 'entrenched' would be a start.

It will happen, so we may as well work on moving forward with a single mind and 'can-do' attitude...

After all, that's what drove our grandparents to defend our green and pleasant land... Otherwise, why did they bother?

This same 'can-do' attitude is what built the colonies and keeps them strong still.

If the Remoaners genuinely want to live in the fetid pond in the corner of the EU that we are fast becoming, they are certainly going the right way about it  :-X

That's all very well, but you have 100% of people who voted not in any way represented in what came after. Hence why we are now most likely heading for a result that only a minority would want (wind the clock back 3yrs and pretty much no mainstream politician was even acknowledging no deal as a possibility).

In this century, and for some time before that, that kind of "this is what's happening get over it" mentality doesn't wash. May's unwillingness to engage with the broader parliament, or even acknowledge the 'losing side' has ensured a good decade or two of rift.
Fixed. We have ALL been turned over... Which is the bigger issue. Separating Brexit from a GE is the only way forward.
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Re: Luxembourg PM
« Reply #40 on: 17 September 2019, 22:53:54 »


That just illustrates my point. Nothing has changed. The EU have hardened their approach with leaders parachuted in who are toeing the establishments line.
The UK politicians can't agree on a way forward.



It would be even worse if one of the more public disagreers(sorry!) suddenly became Prime Minister and had to deal with the problem himself.




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Re: Luxembourg PM
« Reply #41 on: 17 September 2019, 23:15:04 »

They should all be working together as one on this, that’s what they’re fu(king paid for.
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« Reply #42 on: 17 September 2019, 23:20:58 »

Not using negative words like 'rift' or 'divide' or 'camp' or 'entrenched' would be a start.

It will happen, so we may as well work on moving forward with a single mind and 'can-do' attitude...

After all, that's what drove our grandparents to defend our green and pleasant land... Otherwise, why did they bother?

This same 'can-do' attitude is what built the colonies and keeps them strong still.

If the Remoaners genuinely want to live in the fetid pond in the corner of the EU that we are fast becoming, they are certainly going the right way about it  :-X

That's all very well, but you have 48% of people who voted not in any way represented in what came after. Hence why we are now most likely heading for a result that only a minority would want (wind the clock back 3yrs and pretty much no mainstream politician was even acknowledging no deal as a possibility).

In this century, and for some time before that, that kind of "this is what's happening get over it" mentality doesn't wash. May's unwillingness to engage with the broader parliament, or even acknowledge the 'losing side' has ensured a good decade or two of rift.

This bloke was pretty mainstream. He was the PM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5ky8IJaJ_Y

Him again plus Osborne Hammond benn etc. etc. Other videos are available.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bRITISH+POLITICIANs+speak+of+leaving+eu+on+wto+terms+2016.&&view=detail&mid=DDB861CA1F9D95F94F0FDDB861CA1F9D95F94F0F&&FORM=VRDGAR

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bRITISH+POLITICIANs+speak+of+leaving+eu+on+wto+terms+2016.&&view=detail&mid=F9A7953CE9888C15CFFDF9A7953CE9888C15CFFD&&FORM=VRDGAR
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Re: Luxembourg PM
« Reply #43 on: 17 September 2019, 23:30:37 »

They should all be working together as one on this, that’s what they’re fu(king paid for.

It really isn't. If in the GE that's happened since the referendum the mp stood on a remain agenda, that's what they should be working towards.

Given its a representative democracy and all that jazz  :y
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« Reply #44 on: 17 September 2019, 23:37:58 »

No, it was voted on and the result should be adhered to, the GE was not another referendum.
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