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Re: Yet another shooting at an American school ....
« Reply #15 on: 15 February 2018, 12:33:28 »

Old ginger pubes could give guns to all 'the good kids' who could then shoot all 'the bad kids' before they lose the plot and shoot all 'the good kids'.
Hang on.....I think there may be a flaw in the logic somewhere.

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Re: Yet another shooting at an American school ....
« Reply #16 on: 15 February 2018, 12:42:32 »

The American response will be:

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Re: Yet another shooting at an American school ....
« Reply #17 on: 15 February 2018, 13:01:15 »

.....and a vigil....gotta have a vigil.
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Re: Yet another shooting at an American school ....
« Reply #18 on: 15 February 2018, 17:19:25 »

Removing the Second Amendment will, and should never happen.

You have to wonder how relevant it is in modern times, however. I suppose we have a similar right but with modern recognition that guns must be tightly controlled, not carried in public and that any use for our "defence" has been contracted-out to competent authorities. ::)

The difficulty is this is the United States of America with their history, culture and very huge area of open land where you need some form of defence against wild life, including some crazy people.  In the context, and that is what we in Britain must consider, of the USA it is sensible and logical to carry arms.  When you drive for hundreds of miles through vast areas of open terrority the Second Amendment makes every sense.  You are effectively alone without any security but what an American citizen carries in their automobile.  They have grown up relying on the gun to defend themselves and their family. They always have done, and no matter what us Europeans think and say, will always do so no matter what.

Bigron is spot on in saying now more Americans will buy guns. With every shooting the average American thinks he must improve his "security" and will not only buy another gun, but probably even upgrade to an AK47, or similar, whilst circumventing State laws on automatics /semi- automatics! That is the American way, and from my experience in the States they will use those guns if provoked.
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Re: Yet another shooting at an American school ....
« Reply #19 on: 15 February 2018, 18:29:36 »

If Trump has dreams of becoming a world statesman with a lasting legacy he could actually be the POTUS who actually makes some real progress on this problem.
It would upset his core supporters, but its never going to make them vote Democrat, and the Democrats would never dream of repealing any laws which lessened the problem, even if it got them votes.
Does he have the imagination and balls to do it ? I wont hold my breath.
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Re: Yet another shooting at an American school ....
« Reply #20 on: 15 February 2018, 18:30:41 »

I was gonna suggest getting a load of them over here to start with the cull.


No doubt some do-gooders will call that heartless.  I say they practice on Opti's gruesome avatar first....
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Re: Yet another shooting at an American school ....
« Reply #21 on: 15 February 2018, 18:56:48 »

If Trump has dreams of becoming a world statesman with a lasting legacy he could actually be the POTUS who actually makes some real progress on this problem.
It would upset his core supporters, but its never going to make them vote Democrat, and the Democrats would never dream of repealing any laws which lessened the problem, even if it got them votes.
Does he have the imagination and balls to do it ? I wont hold my breath.

Well, Trump has given a speech about this terrible event. But he not once mentioned "guns" and instead just stated "mental health" was the issue!

As I said before, there is no chance of anything changing soon, or at all! :'( :'(
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Re: Yet another shooting at an American school ....
« Reply #22 on: 15 February 2018, 19:01:30 »

If Trump has dreams of becoming a world statesman with a lasting legacy he could actually be the POTUS who actually makes some real progress on this problem.
It would upset his core supporters, but its never going to make them vote Democrat, and the Democrats would never dream of repealing any laws which lessened the problem, even if it got them votes.
Does he have the imagination and balls to do it ? I wont hold my breath.

Well, Trump has given a speech about this terrible event. But he not once mentioned "guns" and instead just stated "mental health" was the issue!

As I said before, there is no chance of anything changing soon, or at all! :'( :'(

Lizzie, the 'good ol boys' living deep in the mountains, those married to their sister, would lynch Trump if he tried to part Americans from their guns.

These people hate the government at the best of times.
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Re: Yet another shooting at an American school ....
« Reply #23 on: 15 February 2018, 19:06:22 »

No-one is ever going to part them from their guns, but if he stops people with a history of  anti depressants or known to have used illegal drugs, or a history of violence from getting them, then that would be the kind of progress I'm thinking of, which would probably carry the majority of U.S. voters with him.
As I said though, I wont hold my breath.
The good ol boys would certainly stamp their feet, but they aint gonna vote for no goddam Democrat commies no matter what happens.
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Re: Yet another shooting at an American school ....
« Reply #24 on: 15 February 2018, 19:09:05 »

Well......I'm glad you lot have the answers because those Americans don't have a clue. ::)
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« Reply #25 on: 15 February 2018, 19:09:35 »

No-one is ever going to part them from their guns, but if he stops people with a history of  anti depressants or known to have used illegal drugs, or a history of violence from getting them, then that would be the kind of progress I'm thinking of, which would probably carry the majority of U.S. voters with him.
As I said though, I wont hold my breath.
The good ol boys would certainly stamp their feet, but they aint gonna vote for no goddam Democrat commies no matter what happens.

'Tis true'

I imagine  membership of the KKK might increase though. :)
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Re: Yet another shooting at an American school ....
« Reply #26 on: 15 February 2018, 19:16:18 »

These shootings are almost always carried out be students or recent former students who are also almost exclusively male.

Even if gun access was more tightly regulated, you could never eliminate the possibility of such attacks.

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Re: Yet another shooting at an American school ....
« Reply #27 on: 15 February 2018, 19:36:24 »


The difficulty is this is the United States of America with their history, culture and very huge area of open land where you need some form of defence against wild life, including some crazy people.
  In the context, and that is what we in Britain must consider, of the USA it is sensible and logical to carry arms.  When you drive for hundreds of miles through vast areas of open terrority the Second Amendment makes every sense.  You are effectively alone without any security but what an American citizen carries in their automobile.  They have grown up relying on the gun to defend themselves and their family. They always have done, and no matter what us Europeans think and say, will always do so no matter what.


People living in other vast countries with dangerous wildlife and crazy people seem to manage without having an arsenal in their house.  ::)

Canada, Russia, China, Australia, the 'Stans' and various African countries spring to mind.  ;)
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Re: Yet another shooting at an American school ....
« Reply #28 on: 15 February 2018, 20:00:43 »


The difficulty is this is the United States of America with their history, culture and very huge area of open land where you need some form of defence against wild life, including some crazy people.
  In the context, and that is what we in Britain must consider, of the USA it is sensible and logical to carry arms.  When you drive for hundreds of miles through vast areas of open terrority the Second Amendment makes every sense.  You are effectively alone without any security but what an American citizen carries in their automobile.  They have grown up relying on the gun to defend themselves and their family. They always have done, and no matter what us Europeans think and say, will always do so no matter what.


People living in other vast countries with dangerous wildlife and crazy people seem to manage without having an arsenal in their house.  ::)

Canada, Russia, China, Australia, the 'Stans' and various African countries spring to mind.  ;)

I agree, but Americans have gone through fighting the native Americans, fighting the British for Independance, fighting each other to win the Wild West, then fight a very bloody Civil War, fighting in gangs which became the Mafia, and fighting to gain criminal power during Probition. They were trained to fight in the Great War, before having another full bash in WW2, followed by Korea and Vietnam, with the need to train to fight when the Cold War went hot. In addition the USA established itself as a World power from 1900, and developed in that context for the American Century, with a great round off with the First Gulf War, Iraq, and Afganistan.  Even Russia with it's revolution has not had that kind of development with the intense need to take up arms over 300+ years, with the forming of a total military State being the cornerstone of American power.  Even the British never had the type of military resource and over whelming military mind of the American.

All my contact with the Americans since my childhood has been through the military route. It is everywhere. The power of the American State is through the military, National Guard, totally armed police, along with even civilian security guards of all types being armed. Unlike the other countries named, the United States is outstanding with it's military orientation, and massive fire power from the kid on the street who can acquire guns, the average suited businessman who buys his guns in Walmart whilst buying milk, to the not so hidden militia who are sworn to fight for their families and State. The official military take it all from there.  No other country to my knowledge has this historical mix and continuing outlook on life.

The Second Amendment protects and encourages all that, and as I have already stated, that will not change in our lifetime, or unless the real and perceived threats to their national identity recede.  I cannot see that happening with the World situation being what it is. The rednecks, with the NRA, will continue to rule.
 
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Re: Yet another shooting at an American school ....
« Reply #29 on: 15 February 2018, 20:25:16 »


The difficulty is this is the United States of America with their history, culture and very huge area of open land where you need some form of defence against wild life, including some crazy people.
  In the context, and that is what we in Britain must consider, of the USA it is sensible and logical to carry arms.  When you drive for hundreds of miles through vast areas of open terrority the Second Amendment makes every sense.  You are effectively alone without any security but what an American citizen carries in their automobile.  They have grown up relying on the gun to defend themselves and their family. They always have done, and no matter what us Europeans think and say, will always do so no matter what.


People living in other vast countries with dangerous wildlife and crazy people seem to manage without having an arsenal in their house.  ::)

Canada, Russia, China, Australia, the 'Stans' and various African countries spring to mind.  ;)

I agree, but Americans have gone through fighting the native Americans, fighting the British for Independance, fighting each other to win the Wild West, then fight a very bloody Civil War, fighting in gangs which became the Mafia, and fighting to gain criminal power during Probition. They were trained to fight in the Great War, before having another full bash in WW2, followed by Korea and Vietnam, with the need to train to fight when the Cold War went hot. In addition the USA established itself as a World power from 1900, and developed in that context for the American Century, with a great round off with the First Gulf War, Iraq, and Afganistan.  Even Russia with it's revolution has not had that kind of development with the intense need to take up arms over 300+ years, with the forming of a total military State being the cornerstone of American power.  Even the British never had the type of military resource and over whelming military mind of the American.

All my contact with the Americans since my childhood has been through the military route. It is everywhere. The power of the American State is through the military, National Guard, totally armed police, along with even civilian security guards of all types being armed. Unlike the other countries named, the United States is outstanding with it's military orientation, and massive fire power from the kid on the street who can acquire guns, the average suited businessman who buys his guns in Walmart whilst buying milk, to the not so hidden militia who are sworn to fight for their families and State. The official military take it all from there.  No other country to my knowledge has this historical mix and continuing outlook on life.

The Second Amendment protects and encourages all that, and as I have already stated, that will not change in our lifetime, or unless the real and perceived threats to their national identity recede.  I cannot see that happening whilst there's a federal government...
Don't forget, the individual states have their own constitutions and several are commonwealth states in the purest sense of conception. The threat is often perceived to be from Washington DC rather from overseas  ;)
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